Injuries headed into BB

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

I think he's actually nicked but I don't know why they added him to the AR. The 2nd global is usually added when we have Canadian injuries and we did / still do.

He's also a LB and the last thing we need is another LB that is 10th on the depth chart. We just added another global LB to the PR but he has some skill and survived on NFL rosters for a few seasons.

In theory we thought we signed some impact players in free agency: J. Jones, D. Mitchell and Sterns. No idea J. Jones got bumped to PR although Woodbey may have passed him on the depth chart by being better in practice?

Either of those two offer more than Ayers in my opinion. It just seems O'Shea has a " **** " for ST specialists. Yes he does play well on teams but is that the best use of a DI?

Does anyone think he'd be next up at WIL or MLB if we have an injury?

I like the guy but I want a contributor on defensive rotation more than an ST only player.

Hard to find a depth chart from last season but I believe Ayers played WIl after Bighill went down and T Jones took over at MLB, right up until Kyrie returned for the playoffs.  From what I recall he must have played WIL decently as he made Bryan Cole expendable in the off-season.

[bunker]

So by my count Vanterpool will now miss his 6th game with the Banjo Bowl, sitting on the 1 game. Why wouldn't they have 6 gamed him from the start? They could take him off early at any time, with the only downside being his salary would then count against the cap. But its counting against the cap anyway sitting on the one game IR. Do they not care about gaining room under the cap, to try and use it to better the team, this year ideally but even some spending room to build the team in December for next year.

Same issue with Logan. He's been on the one game IR for the first 9 games of the season. Why not save his salary against the cap? Logan's salary works out to about $6000 per game, so we've blown 54,000 for nothing? Add another 30,000 lost with Vanterpool. That's 84,000 we've wasted.

And then in the off-season Walters will whine that he has no money for impact signings...what am I missing here?

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

So by my count Vanterpool will now miss his 6th game with the Banjo Bowl, sitting on the 1 game. Why wouldn't they have 6 gamed him from the start? They could take him off early at any time, with the only downside being his salary would then count against the cap. But its counting against the cap anyway sitting on the one game IR. Do they not care about gaining room under the cap, to try and use it to better the team, this year ideally but even some spending room to build the team in December for next year.

Same issue with Logan. He's been on the one game IR for the first 9 games of the season. Why not save his salary against the cap? Logan's salary works out to about $6000 per game, so we've blown 54,000 for nothing? Add another 30,000 lost with Vanterpool. That's 84,000 we've wasted.

And then in the off-season Walters will whine that he has no money for impact signings...what am I missing here?

They can't legitimately put Vanterpool on the 6 game IR because he hasn't been injured.  Walters has been using the 1 game IR as a reserve all season to stash non-injured players and is probably using the bonus payment the league handed out in the spring to pay fit.

[Big Daddy]

They can't legitimately put Vanterpool on the 6 game IR because he hasn't been injured.  Walters has been using the 1 game IR as a reserve all season to stash non-injured players and is probably using the bonus payment the league handed out in the spring to pay fit.

I'm sorry, what does this mean?  I honestly don't understand.

And just to clarify - you are saying Vanterpool has never been injured this year, just kept in protection from being plucked (i.e. 1 game better than PR for this of course)?

And finally - is there any precedence or past ruling showing someone cannot be put on the 6 game IR if you cannot show a medical injury?

I promise I am not being a smart-a** here - I legitimately am asking these questions.

[bunker]

That makes sense in a way for Vanterpool, if he's not injured. Although that's what PR is suppose to be for. I'm assuming he wasn't willing to go to PR and Walter's didn't want to lose him, since we need him with Lofton  out.

Still doesn't explain Logan.

For  all the money we've spent paying our "depth" to sit in the one game (including J Jones and Mitchell) we could actually have afforded players who play and have an impact in games. Mike Rose would have looked good on our interior on the D Line, instead of Woods and Adams, who aren't good enough to stay on the roster.

[TecnoGenius]

Wallace came off limping seeking assistance. That's not good news unless they planned to add Vanterpool anyway. I'm not opposed to that but it's a ratio adjustment.

Assuming Vant isn't nicked, I almost welcome a little IR stint for Wallace.  Everyone will see how night & day it is with Vant at LG.  I think the '25 Wallace experiment is over.  Can you imagine his whiffs in the post-season?  Yikes.

Wallace should go back into the dev pipeline and be jumbo.  Make him the next Spooner.  Except maybe he'll be good as a legit NAT OG starter one day, who knows.

I think what happened was Mafia really liked the flexibility of starting 8, 9, 10 NATs.  So Wallace got the nod over better-but-not-by-miles Vant.  Starting the bare minimum (like most teams) seems to get them all anxiety-ridden.  I really don't get it, but we do do some strange special sets & schemes at times.

[TecnoGenius]

Technically speaking the extra draft picks are awarded to the two teams with the highest national snap count at the end of the year and has nothing to do with if we designate anyone or not. Assuming every team uses the 25 snap rule and we don't, we will probably get one of the picks, but we can absolutely still designate a nationalized American and the Canadian we want to swap for 25 snaps and not swap them, which is what I think we may as well do.

As I said in other post, we ARE designating NA, DNA and DNS.  I'm sure of it.  Junkie basically spelled it out.  He said the charts HIS MAJESTY gets to see has all that info.  We plebes get the peon half-butt chart.  If the league follows the rules, all teams must specify all of these weird player designations.

And we've talked about what's actually measured to "win" the "snap count" extra-2RDPs.  There is no way they "count national snap count"; as in "how many NATs were present for snap X, summed over all snaps in the season".  Why?  Because some teams will naturally have way more snaps in a game than others (well, pairs of teams).  Think SSK playing SSK... the snap count would be double a theoretical WPG vs WPG because our goal is always bleed clock.  Plus, that's the devil to track, and I'm not even sure PFF is doing it.

No, what they track is just that one (on each side of the ball) DNA player when he's on the field subbing in for a NAT.  Count his snaps.  Tell them team when they get close to or exceed 25.  Easy peasy.  Remember, this has to be done in real time, and I'm pretty sure PFF isn't capturing who-is-on-field-now data in real time on every snap!

Picture WPG's situation: the spotter has to count zero and do nothing to track the DNA for our team, vs tracking every player on every sub in real time counting 12 guys every snap...

I know that the rule words it the way you're saying, but it simply cannot be what they do in practice.

[TecnoGenius]

We know that but it's not that uncommon either. It could be something used a few times just give the others a rest.  It can take years for an OL to develop into a starter.

I'm not against the idea, but maybe go into your mind and come up with the name of the last OL that played DT other than in an emergency?  I can't!

Now, if you hired an OL who had that extra skillset, it would definitely add to his value, as emergency-whatevers are always handy to have.

Maybe you're thinking like that new super tall & fat guy that is DT on, who again?, CGY? SSK?  Did he get injured?  I don't recall seeing him lately.  You can't miss him.  It's like having Yoshi at DT.  And he seemed to get a ton of push.

[TecnoGenius]

2022: Watch the play and then the replay from the end zone and you can see the lower ball trajectory, receiver does not break stride.

Definitely thrown a 1/2 second late. The other difference is that the DB broke much earlier and quicker to the ball in 2025.

Actually, a few things allowed the '22 to work.  What bunker said, plus Zach threw far wider in '22 giving Schoen more space to keep sprinting so the DB couldn't catch up as easily.

Plus, probably most importantly in '22 they got the DB to turn hips the other way.  He had to do a full hip 180 and that takes time.  Watch the '25 one, the DB never turns hips, always square to the QB until he breaks for Schoen.

But yes, a touch more zip & better trajectory on the '22 pass.  Still doesn't mean we couldn't have made the '25 one work.

It would have been nice if the rub had somehow also gotten outside of the DB.  Just a couple of feet more to the right!  Then it would be a wide open TD with no OPI.  However, the rub was darn sweet regardless, so I can't complain.

[TecnoGenius]

You don't have to reach back to 2022, go back 2 weeks to the Als game and Demski's TD at 2:10 in the video below, that is how the play should have been executed.

Not as good a comparison because this one had the DB being rubbed by the post!  It's kind of a whole different play design, even though the pass & target look somewhat similar.

We have to remember SSK was in full run blitz and any low pass was going to have to be outside or it was going to be batted down (see BLM's failed 2PAT this last weekend).  Unless Zach got super amazing & lucky finding the lane, which I wouldn't bet money on.

[Blue In BC]

Assuming Vant isn't nicked, I almost welcome a little IR stint for Wallace.  Everyone will see how night & day it is with Vant at LG.  I think the '25 Wallace experiment is over.  Can you imagine his whiffs in the post-season?  Yikes.

Wallace should go back into the dev pipeline and be jumbo.  Make him the next Spooner.  Except maybe he'll be good as a legit NAT OG starter one day, who knows.

I think what happened was Mafia really liked the flexibility of starting 8, 9, 10 NATs.  So Wallace got the nod over better-but-not-by-miles Vant.  Starting the bare minimum (like most teams) seems to get them all anxiety-ridden.  I really don't get it, but we do do some strange special sets & schemes at times.

Vanterpool was listed as " DNP " yesterday due to an ankle issue. So he may not be able to play. We'll see what either play shows on today's report.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

That makes sense in a way for Vanterpool, if he's not injured. Although that's what PR is suppose to be for. I'm assuming he wasn't willing to go to PR and Walter's didn't want to lose him, since we need him with Lofton  out.

Still doesn't explain Logan.

For  all the money we've spent paying our "depth" to sit in the one game (including J Jones and Mitchell) we could actually have afforded players who play and have an impact in games. Mike Rose would have looked good on our interior on the D Line, instead of Woods and Adams, who aren't good enough to stay on the roster.

I would have liked for Walters to go after Mike Rose as well but they chose Vaughters instead, not surprisingly there was a bidding war for Rose between a few clubs so he probably signed for a much higher price.  So perhaps Walters signed the player they wanted or perhaps he was again constrained by the budget he set out to follow.

As for Vanterpool, placing him on the 1 game IR not only protects him but also pays him as if he was playing, which should be enough to convince him to hang around for future opportunities that will open up next season.

[Blue In BC]

Hard to find a depth chart from last season but I believe Ayers played WIl after Bighill went down and T Jones took over at MLB, right up until Kyrie returned for the playoffs.  From what I recall he must have played WIL decently as he made Bryan Cole expendable in the off-season.

He did but that doesn't seem to be the case in 2025. Even in the last game it was Woodbey taking snaps on defence and not Ayers. You can access 2024 charts by googling Bomber depth charts in 2024. I did that earlier in the week.

Regardless. It doesn't answer the question about who you think would be next man up if there was an injury. Of course that's just our personal opinion but IMO it would be J. Jones and then possibly Woodbey before Ayers.

[Blue In BC]

Just my guess about changes to this weeks roster:

1. Hallett in and Ball moved to 1 game IR or PR.

2. Makonzo in and Woodbey moved back to PR. Unfortunate but it's a ratio thing and Makonzo will back up at SAM.

3. Kramdi in and allows the changes mentioned in Item # 2

4. Kornelson in with Schemekel moved to 6 game IR.

5. Adams in due to change in ratio allowed by Item # 2.

6. Wilson in. This is where it gets interesting. Can Schoen play and who gets moved out if he does.

7. Houston in Lawson out. I think I'd prefer Vaval back to returning and Logan out, but this is another variable.

If neither Houston or an import DT are not added to the AR it's going to bring up a lot of questions.  Noting that I'd rather take out Ayers and leave Woodbey in but he's an O'Shea favourite.

[Blueforlife]

Just my guess about changes to this weeks roster:

1. Hallett in and Ball moved to 1 game IR or PR.

2. Makonzo in and Woodbey moved back to PR. Unfortunate but it's a ratio thing and Makonzo will back up at SAM.

3. Kramdi in and allows the changes mentioned in Item # 2

4. Kornelson in with Schemekel moved to 6 game IR.

5. Adams in due to change in ratio allowed by Item # 2.

6. Wilson in. This is where it gets interesting. Can Schoen play and who gets moved out if he does.

7. Houston in Lawson out. I think I'd prefer Vaval back to returning and Logan out, but this is another variable.

If neither Houston or an import DT are not added to the AR it's going to bring up a lot of questions.  Noting that I'd rather take out Ayers and leave Woodbey in but he's an O'Shea favourite.

Agree most, a very good summary there bud
Ayers stays imo
Woodbey does show promise as well
Big one is what happens at receiver
I would like to see Woods play but doesn't have to be this week