Injuries

Started by Blueforlife, August 22, 2025, 03:25:12 AM

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Blue In BC

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 22, 2025, 05:10:24 PMDon't like the idea of pushing Schoen, let him recover and use him for the stretch run, he's not going to save the day in Regina.  They do have a serious receiver problem, Demski can probably play next WE but Sterns looks doubtful, they can bring Cobb on as a backup but that won't improve their performance.

Demski can't carry the weight by himself, too many place holders that are not contributing and Pokey is not likely back soon enough to help out. Might be time to consider a trade to get them over the hump, assets like Jon Jones or Jamal Woods should fetch a seasoned receiver from a team in need at other positions. If healthy bringing Woli back to fill in for the rest of the season would be enormously helpful as a stop gap solution, Zach needs another target he can get on the same page with.

Nobody is suggesting rushing Schoen. Either he's healthy or he's not. That said, we want / need to win the series against the Riders. If we expect to finish 1st or 2nd it's a critical series. A home playoff game is important and not having to play the WSF even more so.
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Throw Long Bannatyne

Quote from: Blue In BC on August 22, 2025, 08:46:21 PMNobody is suggesting rushing Schoen. Either he's healthy or he's not. That said, we want / need to win the series against the Riders. If we expect to finish 1st or 2nd it's a critical series. A home playoff game is important and not having to play the WSF even more so.

I'm skeptical, despite what MOS continually says about not rushing players returning from injury, I think he lets the players decide whether they want to play of not.  Maybe not a problem if the medical staff confirms, but a list is forming of bad results from bringing players back too early, including GC misadventures, and Dalton returning to action too soon this season.

I think the real problem revolves around rarely bringing in experienced replacement players to deal with position shortages which limits their options, which is what we're seeing at the receiver position now.

BomberFan73

Quote from: TBURGESS on August 22, 2025, 02:52:03 PMDemski looked like he had the thousand yard stare when they showed him after the half. Not a good sign IMO.

Looked like Sterns wrist or lower arm. Could be anything from a sprain to a break, but he's not likely in street clothes if it's just a sprain, especially since we had to use Strev as a receiver in the 2nd half.

Did you see him on the sidelines after?  Last place I would want to be with a concussion/headache is the sidelines in Montreal with all those sirens & horns.

Throw Long Bannatyne

Quote from: BomberFan73 on August 22, 2025, 09:48:18 PMDid you see him on the sidelines after?  Last place I would want to be with a concussion/headache is the sidelines in Montreal with all those sirens & horns.

There are degrees of concussions, most of the ones that are now being diagnosed on the football field are minor and not disabling.  In days gone by the majority of players would have continued playing after a few minutes of rest, still remember watching trainers use smelling salts to revive players from unconsciousness before sending them back into play.  Now at least they make them sit out for the rest of the game. 

Jesse

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 22, 2025, 09:18:51 PMI'm skeptical, despite what MOS continually says about not rushing players returning from injury, I think he lets the players decide whether they want to play of not.  Maybe not a problem if the medical staff confirms, but a list is forming of bad results from bringing players back too early, including GC misadventures, and Dalton returning to action too soon this season.

I think the real problem revolves around rarely bringing in experienced replacement players to deal with position shortages which limits their options, which is what we're seeing at the receiver position now.

Yup. The latest example is Zach admitting he came back too soon and him saying the medical staff just trusted him to say he's good to go.
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: BomberFan73 on August 22, 2025, 09:48:18 PMDid you see him on the sidelines after?  Last place I would want to be with a concussion/headache is the sidelines in Montreal with all those sirens & horns.

Yes, both Sterns and Demski were shown on TSN on the sidelines later.  I mentioned in comment #4 Sterns had no ice from chest-up (so no shoulder issue?).  I bet TSN would have showed below there if he had had a big bag of ice on something!
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 22, 2025, 09:18:51 PMI think he lets the players decide whether they want to play of not.  Maybe not a problem if the medical staff confirms, but a list is forming of bad results from bringing players back too early, including GC misadventures

Having your name on that Grey Cup is a near-irresistible temptation...  I can see why Biggie/Schoen would say "good to go chief!".
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 22, 2025, 05:10:24 PMDon't like the idea of pushing Schoen, let him recover and use him for the stretch run, he's not going to save the day in Regina.

He's not?  He's supposed to be our 2025 Lawler.  He is the savior, because he has to be!  Assume Demski is in for a moment.  Schoen takes Sterns spot (if IR'd, otherwise Mitchell).  All of a sudden our REC corps is looking very legit instead of anemic.  Zach coming into form and the OL not being total suckitude... watch out league!

So do we Davis Alexander him?  Well, not if he is one & done like Davis, as winning the LDC by itself doesn't buy us much.  But let's say he can win us the next 3 games before blowing up his knee for good... do we take that?  Then Pokey comes back...

MTL thought it was worth it to risk Davis.  And he's the irreplaceable QB, not "just a REC".

Make you think.
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 22, 2025, 05:10:24 PMMight be time to consider a trade to get them over the hump, assets like Jon Jones or Jamal Woods should fetch a seasoned receiver from a team in need at other positions. If healthy bringing Woli back to fill in for the rest of the season would be enormously helpful as a stop gap solution, Zach needs another target he can get on the same page with.

I'm always up for a trade in a GC year!  I've been saying that since Schoen went down.

But we need another middling NAT like a hole in the head.  Go big or go home.  Trade for a league top-10 IMP REC.  Heck, at the rate TOR is going, maybe Coxie is an option by the deadline!  They'll get Polk back anyhow, and a few more losses and they're out regardless of Kelly.
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Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 23, 2025, 10:01:42 AMI'm always up for a trade in a GC year!  I've been saying that since Schoen went down.

But we need another middling NAT like a hole in the head.  Go big or go home.  Trade for a league top-10 IMP REC.  Heck, at the rate TOR is going, maybe Coxie is an option by the deadline!  They'll get Polk back anyhow, and a few more losses and they're out regardless of Kelly.


Coxie or Lewis

Tor will be up against BC, Ham - could push them to 2-10
Ott will be home and home against BC after their bye next week which could put them to 3-10

Maybe time to start the 2026 training camp by then for those 2 teams

Waffler

Any trade likely would have to wait until a team gets eliminated. Coxie for example is a bright spot for the Argos, why would they trade him?

Our best option anyway is to wait on Ontaria Wilson who is currently near the bottom of a weak receiving corps in New York. If he makes that team or PR then I would more seriously explore a trade.
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Jesse

Quote from: Waffler on August 23, 2025, 02:20:54 PMAny trade likely would have to wait until a team gets eliminated. Coxie for example is a bright spot for the Argos, why would they trade him?

Our best option anyway is to wait on Ontaria Wilson who is currently near the bottom of a weak receiving corps in New York. If he makes that team or PR then I would more seriously explore a trade.

Wilson didn't get a catch in the teams final preseason game. I don't know what to make of that. They didn't play their starters so I expected to see him get a lot of play time.

Hopefully he's so far down the list, be didn't even warrant a "last chance" (no offence, Pokey! I just want you back!)
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Throw Long Bannatyne

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Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 23, 2025, 10:01:42 AMI'm always up for a trade in a GC year!  I've been saying that since Schoen went down.

But we need another middling NAT like a hole in the head.  Go big or go home.  Trade for a league top-10 IMP REC.  Heck, at the rate TOR is going, maybe Coxie is an option by the deadline!  They'll get Polk back anyhow, and a few more losses and they're out regardless of Kelly.


They're not trading Coxie, you have to be realistic, I would check in with BC, Sask. or the Ti-Cats for extra parts that don't fit in.  I mentioned Woli because he hasn't been able to get back on the field even though he's been healthy for 2 games now, sitting behind Kiondre Smith and BOLO who may also be available. Everybody's favourite Tyler Ternowski is currently injured but he doesn't bring enough skill to make him worth pursuing.

Sask. has Mitchell Picton a perennial backup receiver on a team loaded with great receivers, he's been in the league for 6 years as mostly a reliable part-timer with a skill level close to Woli.  He knows the playbook like the back of his hand and could play any receiver position in his sleep.

The Lions are another team with an excess of good receivers, they recently picked up vet Hergy Mayala and plunked him on their PR list as insurance.  Anyone who thinks he's not much of a receiver needs to review his highlight package from 2024 with the Elks, he reinvented himself as a speedster who could also catch balls in traffic.  It takes motivation to re-invent oneself.


 

Blue In BC

For what it's worth, I read that Schoen was expected to play on LD ( per Hodges ). I'm not sure since he was a DNP in the last practice this week but he has been practising and running.

It would be nice to get him back so we'll see how this works out.
One game at a time.

Throw Long Bannatyne

Quote from: Blue In BC on August 23, 2025, 04:59:20 PMFor what it's worth, I read that Schoen was expected to play on LD ( per Hodges ). I'm not sure since he was a DNP in the last practice this week but he has been practising and running.

It would be nice to get him back so we'll see how this works out.

Wonder if he's removed the brace or will play with it?