STREVELER

Started by Austin85, August 02, 2025, 04:00:12 AM

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Quote from: J5V on August 06, 2025, 01:00:07 AMGeez guys ...


honestly not sure what you are showing here J5V - the first iteration was Strevy throwing an 18 yd pass for a TD in the GC.  It's been a while and I was waiting 29 years, but I would have to go back to check the accuracy.

But what exactly are you showing, what is your point?  Serious, not being a smart-@ss.


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Quote from: peg_city on August 06, 2025, 12:15:39 AMWhat scary is when I think about the history of Blue Bomber back up QBs since 2000, Streveler is one of the better ones. Probably in the top 10 QBs since 2000.

Collaros
Khari
Glenn
Nichols
Willy
Pierce
Brown
Spergon Wynn
Steven Jyles

And whoever else I'm missing.

Spergon Wynn doesn't crack the top 40 QBs to dress for the Blue Bombers since 2000. He was the #4 QB behind Tee Martin & Russ Michna and Wynn only dressed for 3 games. He spent the rest of the season on the injured list with a variety of ailments (groin, turf toe & knee)

BTW, there have been 54 QBs to dress for the Blue Bombers since 2000.
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Quote from: Big Daddy on August 06, 2025, 03:45:58 AMhonestly not sure what you are showing here J5V - the first iteration was Strevy throwing an 18 yd pass for a TD in the GC.  It's been a while and I was waiting 29 years, but I would have to go back to check the accuracy.

But what exactly are you showing, what is your point?  Serious, not being a smart-@ss.
Accuracy of what?

I'm just not understanding all the angst and ******** about Streveler ad nauseum. All QBs and OCs make mistakes, even the very best. Collaros, Ray, Flutie, Moon, etc. all threw their share of picks and made ill-advised throws. It's the pros -- ball hawks are everywhere. 

The guy makes clutch throws and has contributed in a big way to helping us win Cups. He deserves better than what we're delivering here in this forum. To those ******** the loudest, we get it, you don't like the player and are unhappy, but to go on and on about it is, frankly, getting annoying and swelling my ignore list.
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peg_city

Quote from: Stats Junkie on August 06, 2025, 04:28:37 AMSpergon Wynn doesn't crack the top 40 QBs to dress for the Blue Bombers since 2000. He was the #4 QB behind Tee Martin & Russ Michna and Wynn only dressed for 3 games. He spent the rest of the season on the injured list with a variety of ailments (groin, turf toe & knee)

BTW, there have been 54 QBs to dress for the Blue Bombers since 2000.

So Strev is top 10-15?

Sir Blue and Gold

Quote from: peg_city on August 06, 2025, 12:50:05 PMSo Strev is top 10-15?

Streveler is a fine backup QB. It's always going to look unorthodox but he'll give you a chance. That's all you can expect from any number two. If it was anything more, he wouldn't be a backup, right? I'd put him near the top of our second QB lists. He's close to .500. Plenty of  projected "starters" never achieved that.

theaardvark

Quote from: J5V on August 06, 2025, 11:37:31 AMAccuracy of what?

I'm just not understanding all the angst and ******** about Streveler ad nauseum. All QBs and OCs make mistakes, even the very best. Collaros, Ray, Flutie, Moon, etc. all threw their share of picks and made ill-advised throws. It's the pros -- ball hawks are everywhere.

The guy makes clutch throws and has contributed in a big way to helping us win Cups. He deserves better than what we're delivering here in this forum. To those ******** the loudest, we get it, you don't like the player and are unhappy, but to go on and on about it is, frankly, getting annoying and swelling my ignore list.

Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me...

Making the same decision and expecting different results...

Streveler has a place, the place that he "has contributed in a big way to helping us win Cups".  He has never done that as a starter, sorry.

His place can be emergency sub, but he is far better as SY / change of pace for a few downs.  And he will never, ever be our future starter.

The issue I have is that the future starter we have on the roster, either Wilson or Chase, is stuck behind Streveler. 

Is it a $$ issue?  I'm not sure we are paying him much more than Wilson.

Is he at #2 on the DC for optics?  For players or fans?

Is Streveler more than Tommy Stevens, or Caleb Evans?
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Quote from: theaardvark on August 06, 2025, 06:37:00 PMFool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me...

Making the same decision and expecting different results...

Streveler has a place, the place that he "has contributed in a big way to helping us win Cups".  He has never done that as a starter, sorry.

His place can be emergency sub, but he is far better as SY / change of pace for a few downs.  And he will never, ever be our future starter.

The issue I have is that the future starter we have on the roster, either Wilson or Chase, is stuck behind Streveler. 

Is it a $$ issue?  I'm not sure we are paying him much more than Wilson.

Is he at #2 on the DC for optics?  For players or fans?

Is Streveler more than Tommy Stevens, or Caleb Evans?
Strev is cheap and a good insurance policy imo.  Not ideal but I'm ok with it for now. Would be interesting to know all the QBs salaries.

bunker

Quote from: Blueforlife on August 06, 2025, 08:35:39 PMStrev is cheap and a good insurance policy imo.  Not ideal but I'm ok with it for now. Would be interesting to know all the QBs salaries.
Collaros is making 600,000 this year.

I don't know Strev's salary, but I would guess somewhere between 125,000 to 150,000 with playtime incentives on top of that. By way of comparison in terms of back ups, MBT and Fajardo are the 2 highest paid back ups at about 180,000-185,000 plus incentives up to 260,000-265,000. Jake Maier is making 165,000 with incentives to 245,000. PJ walker is making 108,000 plus incentives up to 260,000.
I would guess Wilson is significantly less than Strev, ? 100,000.

https://3downnation.com/2025/04/14/qb1-money-cfls-highest-paid-quarterbacks-for-the-2025-season/

TecnoGenius

Quote from: bunker on Today at 03:23:07 AMI don't know Strev's salary, but I would guess somewhere between 125,000 to 150,000

Last I heard Strev signed for $120k-ish.  It's a complete steal for what he brings.  I bet Wilson is on ELC+$10k.

There's no way WFC can afford a "real" vet #2 165-265k right now.  And barring injury (6GIR relief) when have we ever stocked a "real vet" #2?  Like never in a decade.
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Pete on August 05, 2025, 11:34:30 PMThis makes no sense, they gave Wilson basically no reps (1 pass attempt in the whole year) Then you put him in thar situation? Talk about setting him up for failure.

Kelly stepped into that exact situation and ran and threw perfectly to win the GC (against us).  That dude had basically zero live snaps before doing that, just like Wilson.  Did you see the fire in Kelly's eyes in that game?  Ya, that dude was serious.

Did you see anything at all in Wilson's eyes in the '24 GC series?  Nope, they looked just like the eyes of the NFL reject CGY fielded last week: unserious and lost.

Kelly mode is what I wanted to see.  If other teams have it, why can't we?  TOR won a GC because they had it.  We lost one because we didn't.
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: theaardvark on August 05, 2025, 04:32:34 PMI'm happy either way, he stinks like Walker did in CGY, or he dominates like Dru, Powell,Alexander have done recently.  Or something in between.

He's Schrodinger's QB right now.  Until we observe him he's both a bum and the next Cavillo.

But stats & odds say Wilson has a less than 1/9 chance of having "it".  Probably less.  So many QBs come through the CFL each year, and all 9 teams together discover the next "it" guy only once every 1-2 seasons.

And since he didn't have "it" in the GC, my hope for him having "it" now is basically 0.
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Waffler

Quote from: TecnoGenius on Today at 07:08:45 AMKelly mode is what I wanted to see.  If other teams have it, why can't we?  TOR won a GC because they had it.  We lost one because we didn't.

Kelly is a poor comparison because he is an NFL QB that got black listed for questionable behavior. He was never rejected based on ability.
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Quote from: Waffler on Today at 12:34:17 PMKelly is a poor comparison because he is an NFL QB that got black listed for questionable behavior. He was never rejected based on ability.

lol, what are Chad Kelly's NFL statistics?
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Waffler

Quote from: Jesse on Today at 12:50:47 PMlol, what are Chad Kelly's NFL statistics?

Never stayed out of trouble long enough. He made it to QB2 in Denver as a 24 year old. Promptly got himself arrested and cut. Likely he would have spent his whole career in the NFL if he could behave. We don't know what his ceiling would have been.
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