STREVELER

[Sir Blue and Gold]

The problem is really having a 5'9" receiver go for a jump ball with a 6' defensive back.

If the iso was with wheatfall, this would have been more acceptable.

The problem was ball placement. Streveler has to throw a corner to the pylon in that case or he needs to read it and eat it after the defender didn't bite on the pump.

[theaardvark]

And when Wilson plays like that clown CGY started last week??  What then?

Wilson had his big chance to shine and be the next big thing when he had those 2 series in the GC.  Blew 2 TD pass attempts, at least one of which would have been a TD if he had put more air on it.  He does that, he likely stays in and we may win that cup.

I'd rather roll with .500-guaranteed Strev if no Zach.  Wilson will just have to keep dev'ing, and he may never be anything other than a SYer.

I'm happy either way, he stinks like Walker did in CGY, or he dominates like Dru, Powell,Alexander have done recently.  Or something in between.

He's Schrodinger's QB right now.  Until we observe him he's both a bum and the next Cavillo.

We don't need to observe Streveler anymore, we KNOW exactly what he brings, which is barely enough to win when the D/ST score 21 points.

I don't think we can rely on the D and ST to do that in CGY, so lets roll the dice with the other variable.  If Zach can't go, or comes out early.

[theaardvark]

OC is saying that third INT was underthrown. O'shea liked the play call, it was just executed incorrectly.

https://3downnation.com/2025/08/04/winnipeg-oc-jason-hogan-defends-play-call-blames-misplaced-throw-for-late-game-interception/

The play call may have been sound if Zach is the QB.  But they KNEW Streveler was in, and how he would execute that play.  He got fixated, got pressured, and tossed a duck.  Was ANYONE surprised at the result? 

The proper play is hand to BO20, and take it up the gut, until you are 3rd down, and then kick the FG to make it 2 scores.  No need to be fancy, especially with a QB that cannot handle fancy.

Streveler says he has to learn from this, but its the coaches that have a lesson here. 

I'm not used to seeing MOS say that his QB didn't execute, in this case, he's tossing Streveler under the bus over Hogan.  Which is an interesting development.

Can either express trust in Streveler going forward?  Is this the play that flips the QB chart?

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

The play call may have been sound if Zach is the QB.  But they KNEW Streveler was in, and how he would execute that play.  He got fixated, got pressured, and tossed a duck.  Was ANYONE surprised at the result? 

The proper play is hand to BO20, and take it up the gut, until you are 3rd down, and then kick the FG to make it 2 scores.  No need to be fancy, especially with a QB that cannot handle fancy.

Streveler says he has to learn from this, but its the coaches that have a lesson here. 

I'm not used to seeing MOS say that his QB didn't execute, in this case, he's tossing Streveler under the bus over Hogan.  Which is an interesting development.

Can either express trust in Streveler going forward?  Is this the play that flips the QB chart?

I have no problem with them taking a shot on first down, good practice, stay calm.  That being said it has to be a pass that can do no harm if missed, not a jump ball situation.  A pass to the edges of the endzone that goes out of bounds if not caught is the preferable option.

[bomb squad]

It's a better play call with a better qb, but still not the right play call. Run it twice. Kick the field goal. Sometimes the score and the game clock dictate the play call. This was one of those times. Otherwise, it's just overthinking it.

[theaardvark]

It's a better play call with a better qb, but still not the right play call. Run it twice. Kick the field goal. Sometimes the score and the game clock dictate the play call. This was one of those times.

Guessing that the thought pattern was "They think we will run twice and kick the FG, so lets change that up".

The question that begs asking is, was a FG score in any doubt?  Did scoring a TD make a difference over a FG?  As well as burning clock? And even if its just incomplete and not INT'd, you stop the clock.

Score a TD there and yes, its a 2 TD game.  But you leave 3 min on the clock.  2 plays takes you to 2 minutes, and still they need 2 scores. And there is still the opportunity to score a TD or get a 1st down and burn another minute off the clock.

Yes, the call had merit, it was unexpected.

But considering the game situation, the QB involved, the Rec/DB matchup, it was putting Streveler into a bad spot, with an opportunity to fail big.

Would it have been a huge confidence boost had he made the throw?  Definitely. But was it worth the risk with all that could go bad?  Nope.

[Blueforlife]

And when Wilson plays like that clown CGY started last week??  What then?

Wilson had his big chance to shine and be the next big thing when he had those 2 series in the GC.  Blew 2 TD pass attempts, at least one of which would have been a TD if he had put more air on it.  He does that, he likely stays in and we may win that cup.

I'd rather roll with .500-guaranteed Strev if no Zach.  Wilson will just have to keep dev'ing, and he may never be anything other than a SYer.

I don't believe in  calling players names on here.   He had a tough outing but give him a break.  He also showed some skills.  Only way to learn in this league is by your mistakes.  They don't all come out slinging like Bo or Alexander did.

[dd]

I don't believe in  calling players names on here.   He had a tough outing but give him a break.  He also showed some skills.  Only way to learn in this league is by your mistakes.  They don't all come out slinging like Bo or Alexander did.

No, but those who continue to be given the opportunity to produce and continue to make rookie mistakes, see their opportunities cease and teams move on from them. Strev has reached that point in his career, enough of the mistakes, time to play real football

[Pete]

And when Wilson plays like that clown CGY started last week??  What then?

Wilson had his big chance to shine and be the next big thing when he had those 2 series in the GC.  Blew 2 TD pass attempts, at least one of which would have been a TD if he had put more air on it.  He does that, he likely stays in and we may win that cup.

I'd rather roll with .500-guaranteed Strev if no Zach.  Wilson will just have to keep dev'ing, and he may never be anything other than a SYer.

This makes no sense, they gave Wilson basically no reps (1 pass attempt in the whole year) Then you put him in thar situation? Talk about setting him up for failure.
Since they decided to keep him they need to put in a pkg to get game experience before we write him off

[Jesse]

This makes no sense, they gave Wilson basically no reps (1 pass attempt in the whole year) Then you put him in thar situation? Talk about setting him up for failure.
Since they decided to keep him they need to put in a pkg to get game experience before we write him off

At no point do I want a package for the person deemed to be the 3rd best QB on the roster.

[peg_city]

What scary is when I think about the history of Blue Bomber back up QBs since 2000, Streveler is one of the better ones. Probably in the top 10 QBs since 2000.

Collaros
Khari
Glenn
Nichols
Willy
Pierce
Brown
Spergon Wynn
Steven Jyles

And whoever else I'm missing.

[dd]

What scary is when I think about the history of Blue Bomber back up QBs since 2000, Streveler is one of the better ones. Probably in the top 10 QBs since 2000.

Collaros
Khari
Glenn
Nichols
Willy
Pierce
Brown
Spergon Wynn
Steven Jyles

And whoever else I'm missing.

we be had about 20 QBs since 2000 and I would put strev in the middle of the road leaning towards bottom 10 of that group

[J5V]

The problem was ball placement. Streveler has to throw a corner to the pylon in that case or he needs to read it and eat it after the defender didn't bite on the pump.

That was a poor pump. He needs to work on that.    He needs to study Trevor Harris' or BLM's pump.

[Big Daddy]

Guessing that the thought pattern was "They think we will run twice and kick the FG, so lets change that up".

The question that begs asking is, was a FG score in any doubt?  Did scoring a TD make a difference over a FG?  As well as burning clock? And even if its just incomplete and not INT'd, you stop the clock.

Score a TD there and yes, its a 2 TD game.  But you leave 3 min on the clock.  2 plays takes you to 2 minutes, and still they need 2 scores. And there is still the opportunity to score a TD or get a 1st down and burn another minute off the clock.

Yes, the call had merit, it was unexpected.

But considering the game situation, the QB involved, the Rec/DB matchup, it was putting Streveler into a bad spot, with an opportunity to fail big.

Would it have been a huge confidence boost had he made the throw?  Definitely. But was it worth the risk with all that could go bad?  Nope.

That is the ONLY merit the play call had - that it was unexpected.  Doing the unexpected has it's place - the odd fake punt/field goal attempt. 

This was not the place.  You said it earlier - the smart call is to burn the clock with runs, take the easy 3.  It's pretty hard to get two scores with 2 min or less - need to do everything right and a successful onside kickoff, then do it all right again.  Not impossible, but playing the odds it is a no-brainer.

What surprises me is that Osh has been a good clock manager for years now.  Kill the clock with runs, and we are so good at it.  Everyone expects the run, yet we still get 1st downs.

What shocks me is that Osh chose to back up Hogan and, by extension, throw Strevy under the bus.  Hogan - rookie move to do that, and like I said in another thread - you used up your mulligan with that dumb call.  But for Osh to support that?  I haven't seen that before.

[J5V]

Geez guys ...