STREVELER

[Jesse]

STREVELER is terrible on short yardage now his injury is hampering him obviously. Use  Terry Wilson on short yardage. He use to be more powerful before injury. It's too bad but it happens and i hate it. 

Yeah, I am not on the Terry train at all, but I'm really coming around to using him as the SY.

[Strevy]

He is our best passing  QB, using your starter like this defines this whole mess.

[Blueforlife]

Strev isn't as bad at SY as some suggested imo
Suggesting that he is our best passing QB is as far a stretch as I have ever seen on here

Wilson also good at it

[Pigskin]

STREVELER is terrible on short yardage now his injury is hampering him obviously. Use  Terry Wilson on short yardage. He use to be more powerful before injury. It's too bad but it happens and i hate it. 

This is true. He doesn't have the quickness and power he use to have.

[Blueforlife]

This is true. He doesn't have the quickness and power he use to have.

Not terrible at it
Was amazing at it
Now average at it with a good success rates still
Power is still mostly there
Mobility and speed is gone

[TecnoGenius]

This is true. He doesn't have the quickness and power he use to have.

Quickness and power wasn't going to get him past the 2-3 LBers that got hands on him over the top immediately.

The SY scheme was crap.  He went right under 100% submarining OL.  That left every LBer free over the top.

I've never seen so many LBers stuff the upper hole so fast in my life.  Normally you only have 1 guy jumping the pile (like Biggie used to).  How did they have so many free guys?

Got too complacent and just did what was on film.  Need to mix it up.  A LOT.  A, B, C gaps, both sides.  Mix it the fudge up.

And you have 6'13 800 lb Wallace there at LG, why not follow him standing up right like we've done before?  Why follow Neuf?  Ugh.

[Blueforlife]

Quickness and power wasn't going to get him past the 2-3 LBers that got hands on him over the top immediately.

The SY scheme was crap.  He went right under 100% submarining OL.  That left every LBer free over the top.

I've never seen so many LBers stuff the upper hole so fast in my life.  Normally you only have 1 guy jumping the pile (like Biggie used to).  How did they have so many free guys?

Got too complacent and just did what was on film.  Need to mix it up.  A LOT.  A, B, C gaps, both sides.  Mix it the fudge up.

And you have 6'13 800 lb Wallace there at LG, why not follow him standing up right like we've done before?  Why follow Neuf?  Ugh.

Was just thinking the same, even Dom Davis wouldn't have found a hole there

Agree with your plan

[theaardvark]

STREVELER is terrible on short yardage now his injury is hampering him obviously. Use  Terry Wilson on short yardage. He use to be more powerful before injury. It's too bad but it happens and i hate it. 

He was 13/13 up to that fail.  I guess you're great until you miss.

We should have taken the points, though.  Turnovers are huge momentum swings, and self inflicted ones, moreso.

I get it, MOS has to trust his guys.  I still don't have to like it.

I'm fine with Streveler being SY guy, I don't think he is hampered at all, Hogan just needs to get the blocking scheme for him figured.  I agree, you have a road grader like Wallace, you run behind him.

[Blueforlife]

He was 13/13 up to that fail.  I guess you're great until you miss.

We should have taken the points, though.  Turnovers are huge momentum swings, and self inflicted ones, moreso.

I get it, MOS has to trust his guys.  I still don't have to like it.

I'm fine with Streveler being SY guy, I don't think he is hampered at all, Hogan just needs to get the blocking scheme for him figured.  I agree, you have a road grader like Wallace, you run behind him.

Agree with everything you have said here.  Well said.

[blueandgoldguy]

Would you claim the Bomber method works?  Seems to me other than Dru Brown, they haven't been able to develop a QB since Dieter Brock.

Bombers have been pretty bad at developing qbs no doubt, but they did develop McManus for 3 years.  He just went to another team in 93 but didn't actually become a full-time starter until 1995 or so.

Can't blame the Bombers for sticking with Dunigan given he was easily the better QB in addition to being in the middle of a 3-year contract.  It was just bad luck the Bombers never one the Grey Cup in 93 when he was injured late in the season (too bad Cal couldn't convince Danny to stick around for one more year as he likely would have made the difference in winning againt Edmonton). 

While I'm at it, bad luck and an unfair playing field led to Dunigan failing to make it to the 1994 Grey Cup when he hit the goalpost late in the game trying to pass it to a Bomber receiver for the go-ahead TD against the all-American Baltimore Stallions.

[blueandgoldguy]

Dev'ing 1 starter in 1 decade is about par for CFL teams.

Bombers haven't done that though.  Dieter in the 70s.  Salisbury in the 80s is debatable because he did some development in the NFL prior to coming here.  90s it was McManus.  2000s no one - Khari was developed nicely for us by the Lions for 3 years and Glen was developed for us for a couple years by the Riders.  2010s - Strev showed promise early on but looked mostly terrible as a starter in 2019 and has looked average at best compared to other backups in the league...so not a starter.  2020s - Dru Brown who at least to this point looks like an average starter/slightly above average with room for improvement.

So 3 starters developed in 3 decades, arguably 4 if you want to count Salisbury.

[blueandgoldguy]

good list

if you go back a bit more Calgary had a good run with Garcia and Dickenson.

Also developed Burris before he went to Saskatchewan

[Big Daddy]

Bombers haven't done that though.  Dieter in the 70s.  Salisbury in the 80s is debatable because he did some development in the NFL prior to coming here.  90s it was McManus.  2000s no one - Khari was developed nicely for us by the Lions for 3 years and Glen was developed for us for a couple years by the Riders.  2010s - Strev showed promise early on but looked mostly terrible as a starter in 2019 and has looked average at best compared to other backups in the league...so not a starter.  2020s - Dru Brown who at least to this point looks like an average starter/slightly above average with room for improvement.

So 3 starters developed in 3 decades, arguably 4 if you want to count Salisbury.

By your count, isn't that 3 starters developed in 5 decades?  1975-2025?  Even if you count Salisbury (I wouldn't) it's still less than one a decade.

[Big Daddy]

It's always like this, where every once in a while, one team seems to have a run of QBs that seem to take over the league. I really don't think it's development. I think it's scouting.

That 2012 Argos team was HC'd by Scott Milanovich, and the he had success by getting Ricky Ray. Same way he's doing now by getting Bo Levi. He wants a vet QB - not developing a young one. Jim Barker/his staff went out and found Harris, Collaros, and Fajardo. And they got playing time because the guy ahead of them got injured.

Bo Levi is really the only QB that came out of Calgary. And he was immediately good. They had to use Kevin Glenn before he came along and sucked after he left until they got Adams.

Adams - Montreal
Rourke - BC
Harris - Toronto
Collaros - Toronto
Fajardo - Toronto
Brown - Winnipeg
Bo - Calgary
Arbuckle - Calgary (if you want to call Arbuckle a starter)
Kelly - Edmonton/Toronto (On Edmonton's neg list but would only play for TO)
MBT - Winnipeg
Alexander - Montreal
Ford - Edmonton

Toronto had that one crazy run 13 years ago. I'd hardly say that makes them (with completely separate owners/GM/coaches from now) experts at developing QBs. And like every other team, those opportunities originally came with injuries ahead of them. Not because of practice time at the expense of the starting QB.

I have no recall of MBT being on our practice roster way back - this is a great list!

However, I would hardly put him as a development qb for the Bombers just being on the practice roster a month or so.

I guess we were his introduction to the CFL?  So there's that.

[TecnoGenius]

I have no recall of MBT being on our practice roster way back - this is a great list!

I don't think MBT was on our PR.  He was here in a TC and then cut in final cuts IIRC.

I think he threw a great deep TD in a PS game?  He certainly showed glimpses of having "it".

So we can take credit for scouting him, but no credit at all for dev'ing him.