STREVELER

[Jesse]

Half the active QB's in the league started with the Argos behind Rickie Ray, the other half with the Stamps.

It's always like this, where every once in a while, one team seems to have a run of QBs that seem to take over the league. I really don't think it's development. I think it's scouting.

That 2012 Argos team was HC'd by Scott Milanovich, and the he had success by getting Ricky Ray. Same way he's doing now by getting Bo Levi. He wants a vet QB - not developing a young one. Jim Barker/his staff went out and found Harris, Collaros, and Fajardo. And they got playing time because the guy ahead of them got injured.

Bo Levi is really the only QB that came out of Calgary. And he was immediately good. They had to use Kevin Glenn before he came along and sucked after he left until they got Adams.

Adams - Montreal
Rourke - BC
Harris - Toronto
Collaros - Toronto
Fajardo - Toronto
Brown - Winnipeg
Bo - Calgary
Arbuckle - Calgary (if you want to call Arbuckle a starter)
Kelly - Edmonton/Toronto (On Edmonton's neg list but would only play for TO)
MBT - Winnipeg
Alexander - Montreal
Ford - Edmonton

Toronto had that one crazy run 13 years ago. I'd hardly say that makes them (with completely separate owners/GM/coaches from now) experts at developing QBs. And like every other team, those opportunities originally came with injuries ahead of them. Not because of practice time at the expense of the starting QB.

[The Zipp]

It's always like this, where every once in a while, one team seems to have a run of QBs that seem to take over the league. I really don't think it's development. I think it's scouting.

That 2012 Argos team was HC'd by Scott Milanovich, and the he had success by getting Ricky Ray. Same way he's doing now by getting Bo Levi. He wants a vet QB - not developing a young one. Jim Barker/his staff went out and found Harris, Collaros, and Fajardo. And they got playing time because the guy ahead of them got injured.

Bo Levi is really the only QB that came out of Calgary. And he was immediately good. They had to use Kevin Glenn before he came along and sucked after he left until they got Adams.

Adams - Montreal
Rourke - BC
Harris - Toronto
Collaros - Toronto
Fajardo - Toronto
Brown - Winnipeg
Bo - Calgary
Arbuckle - Calgary (if you want to call Arbuckle a starter)
Kelly - Edmonton/Toronto (On Edmonton's neg list but would only play for TO)
MBT - Winnipeg
Alexander - Montreal
Ford - Edmonton

Toronto had that one crazy run 13 years ago. I'd hardly say that makes them (with completely separate owners/GM/coaches from now) experts at developing QBs. And like every other team, those opportunities originally came with injuries ahead of them. Not because of practice time at the expense of the starting QB.

good list

if you go back a bit more Calgary had a good run with Garcia and Dickenson.

[theaardvark]

Cavillo took a number of years before he became a legit starter, and then...

Ray was tossed on the trash heap and then...

Mitchell was past his "best before" and then...

Collaros was almost retired and then...

All these guys were deep into their careers before they player their best ball.

Are the WFC holding our with Streveler because they think he has this in him?  Do we expect/hope that it all comes together and he starts playing like AC or Ray did?

Because for the few guys that have done that, there a boogering dozens who have flashed better at the start of their careers than those 4, were given long leashes and years to develop, and never progressed beyond backup/SY capabilities.

Its not that Strevey doesn't have some great tools, he can run over people, he has an arm (and very unconventional mechanics), but the main tool is the one between the ears.

He is a heart on the sleeve, emotional guy.  Which is not ideal in a QB.  You want some passion, sure, but he seems to get too hyped, both ways. And a QB needs to dial in and be ready for every snap with the same mindset.

It feels like he "grips the stick too hard" to steal a hockey metaphor.  Instead of relaxing into the pressure, he fights it.  Its like it makes him make bad decisions to try and be the hero.  Like the INT at the end of last game.  I don't know of another QB that would have tried that throw. Especially one that has Strevelers wheels.  He should have eaten it, run with it, or tossed it away.  But that is NOT in his psyche.  And that, to me, is disqualifying. 

Its not a "learning moment", he's been there many times in his many years.  Its not a "we'll look at the film and see what happened" time. We watched it live an KNOW what happened.

Its time to Sinopoli his QB aspirations.  He has good hands, and good power. Whether he's a RB, a TE or a SB, he's worth the contract we are paying him.  He can stay on the roster as 3rd QB for roster flexibility, CFL allows 2 QB's on the field, and he's the emergency 3rd guy and maybe SY too, like Litre.

If he wants to play football past this contract, he needs to transition.

That's my hope and opinion.

[Blue In BC]

Cavillo took a number of years before he became a legit starter, and then...

Ray was tossed on the trash heap and then...

Mitchell was past his "best before" and then...

Collaros was almost retired and then...

All these guys were deep into their careers before they player their best ball.

Are the WFC holding our with Streveler because they think he has this in him?  Do we expect/hope that it all comes together and he starts playing like AC or Ray did?

Because for the few guys that have done that, there a boogering dozens who have flashed better at the start of their careers than those 4, were given long leashes and years to develop, and never progressed beyond backup/SY capabilities.

Its not that Strevey doesn't have some great tools, he can run over people, he has an arm (and very unconventional mechanics), but the main tool is the one between the ears.

He is a heart on the sleeve, emotional guy.  Which is not ideal in a QB.  You want some passion, sure, but he seems to get too hyped, both ways. And a QB needs to dial in and be ready for every snap with the same mindset.

It feels like he "grips the stick too hard" to steal a hockey metaphor.  Instead of relaxing into the pressure, he fights it.  Its like it makes him make bad decisions to try and be the hero.  Like the INT at the end of last game.  I don't know of another QB that would have tried that throw. Especially one that has Strevelers wheels.  He should have eaten it, run with it, or tossed it away.  But that is NOT in his psyche.  And that, to me, is disqualifying. 

Its not a "learning moment", he's been there many times in his many years.  Its not a "we'll look at the film and see what happened" time. We watched it live an KNOW what happened.

Its time to Sinopoli his QB aspirations.  He has good hands, and good power. Whether he's a RB, a TE or a SB, he's worth the contract we are paying him.  He can stay on the roster as 3rd QB for roster flexibility, CFL allows 2 QB's on the field, and he's the emergency 3rd guy and maybe SY too, like Litre.

If he wants to play football past this contract, he needs to transition.

That's my hope and opinion.

Wishful thinking. He's peaked and may be on the decline after injury made his running less productive.

[Jesse]

Cavillo took a number of years before he became a legit starter, and then...

Ray was tossed on the trash heap and then...

Mitchell was past his "best before" and then...

Collaros was almost retired and then...

All these guys were deep into their careers before they player their best ball.

Calvillio is always the only example of someone taking a long time to develop. And he was also instantly good and started playing when he was like 21.

Ray was immediately great. He didn't play his best with Toronto, he just continued to be great.

Same with Bo who clearly dealt with injuries that I'm amazed he came back from. But his best football was still with Calgary.

Zach was also instantly good before concussion problems took him out for while and I'm even more surprised he came back, but it didn't take him this long to develop.

Not sure what any of these Hall of Famers have to do with a career back-up.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Calvillio is always the only example of someone taking a long time to develop. And he was also instantly good and started playing when he was like 21.

Ray was immediately great. He didn't play his best with Toronto, he just continued to be great.

Same with Bo who clearly dealt with injuries that I'm amazed he came back from. But his best football was still with Calgary.

Zach was also instantly good before concussion problems took him out for while and I'm even more surprised he came back, but it didn't take him this long to develop.

Not sure what any of these Hall of Famers have to do with a career back-up.

Absolutely nothing. Want to know how good Calvillo was?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gridiron_football_quarterbacks_passing_statistics

You only get there by being good over the duration of your career.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Cavillo took a number of years before he became a legit starter, and then...

Ray was tossed on the trash heap and then...

Mitchell was past his "best before" and then...

Collaros was almost retired and then...

All these guys were deep into their careers before they player their best ball.

Are the WFC holding our with Streveler because they think he has this in him?  Do we expect/hope that it all comes together and he starts playing like AC or Ray did?

Because for the few guys that have done that, there a boogering dozens who have flashed better at the start of their careers than those 4, were given long leashes and years to develop, and never progressed beyond backup/SY capabilities.

Its not that Strevey doesn't have some great tools, he can run over people, he has an arm (and very unconventional mechanics), but the main tool is the one between the ears.

He is a heart on the sleeve, emotional guy.  Which is not ideal in a QB.  You want some passion, sure, but he seems to get too hyped, both ways. And a QB needs to dial in and be ready for every snap with the same mindset.

It feels like he "grips the stick too hard" to steal a hockey metaphor.  Instead of relaxing into the pressure, he fights it.  Its like it makes him make bad decisions to try and be the hero.  Like the INT at the end of last game.  I don't know of another QB that would have tried that throw. Especially one that has Strevelers wheels.  He should have eaten it, run with it, or tossed it away.  But that is NOT in his psyche.  And that, to me, is disqualifying. 

Its not a "learning moment", he's been there many times in his many years.  Its not a "we'll look at the film and see what happened" time. We watched it live an KNOW what happened.

Its time to Sinopoli his QB aspirations.  He has good hands, and good power. Whether he's a RB, a TE or a SB, he's worth the contract we are paying him.  He can stay on the roster as 3rd QB for roster flexibility, CFL allows 2 QB's on the field, and he's the emergency 3rd guy and maybe SY too, like Litre.

If he wants to play football past this contract, he needs to transition.

That's my hope and opinion.

I think QB success often comes down to the quality of team they're playing for and the coaching staff.  Dru Brown is a potential GC winning QB on a better team and BLM's comeback has a lot to do with the improvement in the team that's been built around him in the last 2 seasons.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

It's always like this, where every once in a while, one team seems to have a run of QBs that seem to take over the league. I really don't think it's development. I think it's scouting.

That 2012 Argos team was HC'd by Scott Milanovich, and the he had success by getting Ricky Ray. Same way he's doing now by getting Bo Levi. He wants a vet QB - not developing a young one. Jim Barker/his staff went out and found Harris, Collaros, and Fajardo. And they got playing time because the guy ahead of them got injured.

Bo Levi is really the only QB that came out of Calgary. And he was immediately good. They had to use Kevin Glenn before he came along and sucked after he left until they got Adams.

Adams - Montreal
Rourke - BC
Harris - Toronto
Collaros - Toronto
Fajardo - Toronto
Brown - Winnipeg
Bo - Calgary
Arbuckle - Calgary (if you want to call Arbuckle a starter)
Kelly - Edmonton/Toronto (On Edmonton's neg list but would only play for TO)
MBT - Winnipeg
Alexander - Montreal
Ford - Edmonton

Toronto had that one crazy run 13 years ago. I'd hardly say that makes them (with completely separate owners/GM/coaches from now) experts at developing QBs. And like every other team, those opportunities originally came with injuries ahead of them. Not because of practice time at the expense of the starting QB.

Good answer!

[Sir Blue and Gold]

I think QB success often comes down to the quality of team they're playing for and the coaching staff.  Dru Brown is a potential GC winning QB on a better team and BLM's comeback has a lot to do with the improvement in the team that's been built around him in the last 2 seasons.

Also very true. Likewise Collaros isn't on the run he's on if he wasn't playing in front of some hall of fame lineman as well as (up to this year) one of the best defenses every season. Typically, a great QB can make a good team elite but an elite QB can't make a bad team good.

[theaardvark]

Calvillio is always the only example of someone taking a long time to develop. And he was also instantly good and started playing when he was like 21.

Ray was immediately great. He didn't play his best with Toronto, he just continued to be great.

Same with Bo who clearly dealt with injuries that I'm amazed he came back from. But his best football was still with Calgary.

Zach was also instantly good before concussion problems took him out for while and I'm even more surprised he came back, but it didn't take him this long to develop.

Not sure what any of these Hall of Famers have to do with a career back-up.

My point being, those hall of famers were "done" accordin to the teams they were playing for, but managed to rekindle their careers in a new environment.

Streveler had a certain instant goodness to him, enough to get him enough NFL time to get a pension.  We don't know how he would have done if he stayed in the CFL, or got a chance to play somewhere else than behind Collaros.

[Blue In BC]

My point being, those hall of famers were "done" accordin to the teams they were playing for, but managed to rekindle their careers in a new environment.

Streveler had a certain instant goodness to him, enough to get him enough NFL time to get a pension.  We don't know how he would have done if he stayed in the CFL, or got a chance to play somewhere else than behind Collaros.

Yeah we do. He still can't read a defence, doesn't throw all that accurately and telegraphs throws. None of those are hallmarks of good QB's. At best he was a gimmicky kind of QB that was in a LB body that could run over smaller defensive players.

[Pigskin]

If Strev was to get injured, I would take a run at Fajardo as a backup till the end of the season.

Anyone hear how Elgersma is doing with the Packers.

[Jesse]

If Strev was to get injured, I would take a run at Fajardo as a backup till the end of the season.

Anyone hear how Elgersma is doing with the Packers.

Do you mean Fajardo, the starting QB for the Elks?

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

If Strev was to get injured, I would take a run at Fajardo as a backup till the end of the season.

Anyone hear how Elgersma is doing with the Packers.

Seems to be doing very well, currently rated #4.

Canadian quarterback Taylor Elgersma should see playing time in the Green Bay Packers' first preseason game against the New York Jets.

Head coach Matt LaFleur said the team will do its best to give all four quarterbacks — franchise man Jordan Love, Malik Willis, Sean Clifford, and Elgersma — "meaningful reps" at Lambeau Field on Saturday night.

"Certainly, some of those guys are going to play longer than others," LaFleur said.

The 23-year-old signed with the Packers as an undrafted free agent in May. Green Bay believed he would bring a lot of competition to the QB room. He threw a touchdown pass during the Packers Family Night scrimmage on Saturday, August 2 and impressed LaFleur despite limited reps in training camp.

"He's another guy that's flashed. He's got the arm talent. It's just the consistency. It's always hard for a guy... the majority of the reps are going to Jordan and Malik," LaFleur said.

The 2024 Hec Crighton trophy winner needs to be ready for his first live game action in the NFL. Performing well against the Jets can go a long way towards earning a spot with the Packers going into the 2025 regular season, be it on the active roster or practice squad. He's in competition with Clifford for the third-string role but there's a possibility Green Bay keeps four quarterbacks.

https://3downnation.com/2025/08/08/canadian-qb-taylor-elgersma-has-flashed-during-green-bay-packers-training-camp-needs-to-maximize-opportunities-in-nfl-preseason/