Collaros Status

[Blueforlife]

Actually, I was fairly adamant on both points at the time, despite those here who were quite vocal about how they'd  never want BLM in Blue and Gold, how he was a lousy human being because he talked trash about the Bombers once during the Nicols era, etc, etc.  I guarantee you had we made that move in 23 we wouldn't be 0-3 in the last 3 Grey Cups.

 The Brown decision was massively short sighted.

And Zach has gone 0-3 in the three games that counted.  Getting us to the game means very little if you can't win it.

Much easier to sell the narrative while Zach and the team are in a slump
Much easier to sell BO in Wpg after he rebounded
Brown is a good QB but we already had a great one
There is no way to know what would have happened
We got to the show 5 times in a row, excellent run, don't down play it

[dd]

any update on Collaros condition?? If we think he's such a bad quarterback, I hate to see our team without him and we may find out this week.

[Jesse]

Actually, I was fairly adamant on both points at the time, despite those here who were quite vocal about how they'd  never want BLM in Blue and Gold, how he was a lousy human being because he talked trash about the Bombers once during the Nicols era, etc, etc.  I guarantee you had we made that move in 23 we wouldn't be 0-3 in the last 3 Grey Cups.

 The Brown decision was massively short sighted.

And Zach has gone 0-3 in the three games that counted.  Getting us to the game means very little if you can't win it.

BLM is 2-2 in Grey Cup games and Calgary faced many of the same questions his whole career that they flinched in the play-offs/Grey Cup. Their period of dominance went on for 10 years and I think they have the same 2 Grey Cup wins as we do.

And Calgary moved on for a reason. This is the first year that BLM has looked like himself in 6 years. We weren't getting to the last 3 Grey Cups with him, nevermind win them.

Dru Brown would have been a reasonable decision that many teams would have made. But he hasn't exactly had much success since leaving either. It's fun to look at what if's, but I don't think eveything is fixed with either of those moves and there was the potential for things to be much worse.

I'm absolutely cool with the decision to ride or die with Zach until the wheels fall off. It is the price of how much success we've had.

[LXTSN]

any update on Collaros condition?? If we think he's such a bad quarterback, I hate to see our team without him and we may find out this week.

I don't think many people are arguing that Strevler or Wilson are better quarterbacks than Zach. I don't think Strevler and Zach are that far apart anymore.
Mitchell, Rourke, VAJ, Harris, Alexander and Brown have all played better than Collaros over the past 2 seasons. You could make the argument that Fajardo and Arbuckle have played better as well.
Of course he has his good games and bad games, but lately he's had a lot more bad games than good games.

I really have a hard time seeing us winning another championship with Zach at the helm. It's been hard for me to admit that since Zach is the reason we have those 2 championships. He's been one of the best Bomber QB's of all time! Without him we have Matt Nichols maybe winning a playoff game here or there...

[Jesse]

Just in terms of the QB position, I don't know what people expect though.

Zach has been an absolute revelation. The best QB in Bomberland since the brief flash of Khari. He's never not taken us to the Grey Cup in his career here. Isn't that a ridiculous thing to say?

The only possible move might have been to let Dru take over in a succession plan, but they chose to stick with the man that brought them there and I don't think there's a right or wrong decision there, it was a choice that I respect. And again, Brown's had some good games here and there but has spent most of the time since he's left injured.

[Ridermania]

I think the clean chest hit ZC took early in the game, shook him up a bit and maybe reactivated a previous injury.  Hope he's back soon.

[Jesse]

Unless he's failing a concussion test, I expect him to be back at practice.

[Blue72]

Give Zac a better receiving group that he could count on then you will see a different QB.

 He doesnt have confidence in the guys now and maybe they are not where they are supposed to be on the field. Every team in the league have good to great receivers we have average or below average. That is on Walters, MOS, OC and scouting. We need receivers that could catch and get yards after a catch. if you get the ball moving which will start our running game going.
 
So lets get off Zacs back until the receiving improves, lets not go next one up because there is nothing in the wings.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Just in terms of the QB position, I don't know what people expect though.

Zach has been an absolute revelation. The best QB in Bomberland since the brief flash of Khari. He's never not taken us to the Grey Cup in his career here. Isn't that a ridiculous thing to say?

The only possible move might have been to let Dru take over in a succession plan, but they chose to stick with the man that brought them there and I don't think there's a right or wrong decision there, it was a choice that I respect. And again, Brown's had some good games here and there but has spent most of the time since he's left injured.

Couldn't help but notice how similar in playing style Arbuckle is to Zach, but in the last few years Arbuckle's game has gotten better, while Zach's has noticeabally declined. End of the season trade them straight across, Zach ends his career in T.O. where he started and Bombers have a few extra years to get the best out of a  QB that will remain second string if he stays with the Argos.  If something better than Arbuckle emerges from the Bomber QB room, it's all good.

[dd]

Couldn't help but notice how similar in playing style Arbuckle is to Zach, but in the last few years Arbuckle's game has gotten better, while Zach's has noticeabally declined. End of the season trade them straight across, Zach ends his career in T.O. where he started and Bombers have a few extra years to get the best out of a  QB that will remain second string if he stays with the Argos.  If something better than Arbuckle emerges from the Bomber QB room, it's all good.

I would stay on that thought, but rather than trade Collaros, I'd restructure his current contract and have him back, but also go after Arbuckle and have a solid 1-2 Qb room, best Qb in camp starts, the other is backup. You need 2 Qb's to compete in the CFL, just look at how many #1's get hurt, and then #2 steps in and stinks (our present scenario). Montreal, Edmonton, BC, Sask, Toronto all have decent #2 Qb's. Thing is, Arbuckle may not want to leave TO to come to here as TO will be a force when Kelly comes back and instant contender, whereas we are at least another year off.

[TecnoGenius]

What he said was that it was not performance based, and that he was not ready to start the second half.

The post-game presser says nothing of the short.  I listened to it again just to be sure.  The only thing MOS will said is he is Col Klink - he knows nooooooothing about Zach.  "no update"

Just like someone posted MOS said "neck", it's not true.  If we're going to post MOS "quotes" then either be accurate, or post the link and give us a timestamp.

[TecnoGenius]

I believe his words were "not performance related".

OMG, how can everyone watch the same presser and make up words in their head?  Tell me in the presser where he says that.

https://www.bluebombers.com/2025/07/26/coach-oshea-july-26-4/

[TecnoGenius]

In hindsight ZC8 should have taken the game off.

Ya, for me it's because it was wet.  Zach gives zero run threat and in a slippery game the run threat can help you win.  How well would Strev have done if he had 1st team reaps all week and Hogan could plan around a run-mostly game?

I'm starting to wonder if we should hold Zach out until we have a respectable OL.  He'll just flounder with a crap OL AND he'll get injured/concussed.  For realz this time.  And maybe give him some REC weapons too.  Then put him out there.

If we're just gonna lose, then lose with an "expendable" QB in.  Heck, give Wilson a whole game that everyone is dying to see for some reason.  At least we'll know whether to keep him another season next FA.

[dd]

The post-game presser says nothing of the short.  I listened to it again just to be sure.  The only thing MOS will said is he is Col Klink - he knows nooooooothing about Zach.  "no update"

Just like someone posted MOS said "neck", it's not true.  If we're going to post MOS "quotes" then either be accurate, or post the link and give us a timestamp.

Hey that was Sargent Schultz who said he knew nooothing, and loved apple strudel!! Colonel Klink was the baffoon everyone was pulling the wool over his eyes!! I think Hogan might be Klink but OShea isn't, and how ironic is it that our OC is named Hogan!! Wish he was as crafty as bob cranes character!!

[TecnoGenius]

Couldn't help but notice how similar in playing style Arbuckle is to Zach, but in the last few years Arbuckle's game has gotten better, while Zach's has noticeabally declined. End of the season trade them straight across, Zach ends his career in T.O. where he started and Bombers have a few extra years to get the best out of a  QB that will remain second string if he stays with the Argos. 

Uh, that may be the craziest idea I've seen yet.  Arbuckle is not a #1 anywhere, never has been (even though some tried for a few games), never will be.  And he's like 77 like Zach is... how is sticking with "old" going to help anything?

Arbuckle lucked into just 1 win this season before they beat us, mostly because of their D.  Arbuckle only wins because of QB Whisperer Dinwiddie planning absolutely everything around him.  And the very first second he can, he too will bench Arbuckle so they can start winning again.

And TOR is playing with substandard units and lack of talent, but they are playing like they intend to get better, and fast, and that they think they'll be a top team when Kelly returns.  They are probably right.  Contrast to the way we are playing...

That said, Arbuckle would make a good backup.  However, he won't come at the $100k Strevy Kmart blue light special deal price.