Collaros Status

[Jesse]

... If it's not Collaros' fault for his numbers then it's not Strevelers' either. So I ask again, won't the output be similar?

If we're hoping for more of the same, sure.

If we're hoping that this season at some point starts to improve, I think the best bet is on Zach. His baseline is more successful than what we've been seeing, whereas Strev is what he is.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

If we're hoping for more of the same, sure.

If we're hoping that this season at some point starts to improve, I think the best bet is on Zach. His baseline is more successful than what we've been seeing, whereas Strev is what he is.

Ya. I 100% agree with you there. You're right.

[Blue In BC]

... If it's not Collaros' fault for his numbers then it's not Strevelers' either. So I ask again, won't the output be similar?

We'd have to go over each pick and determine where to place blame and what % goes to the QB. Compare Streveler's pick running left and throwing a pick at the goal line to Stern catching and then dropping the pass resulting in a pick.

Both QB's have thrown flat out pick 6's they shouldn't have thrown.

I'm saying that overall Streveler is more prone to bad passes / decisions than Collaros. His accuracy and touch are less.

63% versus 73%. Yes, we'd have to go back and determine how many passes were catchable and how many were intentionally thrown away.

Like I said, it's possible to prove just about anything with stats depending on how you want to assess them.

Streveler could win the game. Part of the question will be whether he got positive or negative help from the rest of the team.

Winning or losing is never just on the QB.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

We'd have to go over each pick and determine where to place blame and what % goes to the QB. Compare Streveler's pick running left and throwing a pick at the goal line to Stern catching and then dropping the pass resulting in a pick.

Both QB's have thrown flat out pick 6's they shouldn't have thrown.

I'm saying that overall Streveler is more prone to bad passes / decisions than Collaros. His accuracy and touch are less.

63% versus 73%. Yes, we'd have to go back and determine how many passes were catchable and how many were intentionally thrown away.

Like I said, it's possible to prove just about anything with stats depending on how you want to assess them.

Streveler could win the game. Part of the question will be whether he got positive or negative help from the rest of the team.

Winning or losing is never just on the QB.

I agree with you I think. Collaros is the better quarterback and always has been. But in the game tomorrow, I'm just pointing out that the QB output is very likely to be exactly the same. Heck, anyone could easily pull Zach's stats against Toronto defense and make a safe case that Streveler might do better. Collaros probably couldn't do much worse, in any event.

I'm talking about just tomorrow.

[blue_gold_84]

OL is inconsistent and receivers are not the best in the CFL. Lack of time is causing forced throws that are predictable to the defence and dangerous to throw. Many look like last resort options rather than primary calls.

Wouldn't that suggest the play-calling needs to be simplified? This current stretch of ineptitude looks like a good way to get into bad habits, especially for younger players.

Hogan has a lot to prove, but the players make the play call look good or bad sometimes too.

His OL , WR core, and QB have been in constant flux in every game. Kind of hard to build up your offence that way.

The players have just as much to prove but these issues look systemic at times, not just personnel-related.

Compared to last year at this time when the team was struggling with injuries and whatnot, the offense looked much more composed.

Oliveira seems like an afterthought at times, too. It's all just really confounding to me.

[Blue In BC]

I agree with you I think. Collaros is the better quarterback and always has been. But in the game tomorrow, I'm just pointing out that the QB output is very likely to be exactly the same. Heck, anyone could easily pull Zach's stats against Toronto defense and make a case pretty easily that Streveler might do better. Collaros probably couldn't do much worse, in any event.

I'm taking about just tomorrow.

Well we didn't know that Collaros was dealing with a neck injury. Based on being pulled for what we thought was concussion protocol changes the analysis. I suppose it explains part of the poor performance against the Argos.

In no way does Collaros get a free pass for that either.

OTOH, if Collaros was not out and played on Friday I would have expected a better performance than the last game. I would have expected a home win and end to the slid. 

So it's an impossible analysis in that sense. Judgment is based on a healthy players.

Now we just have to hope that Streveler doesn't self destruct and that DB's don't get beat easily. Receivers need to find ways to help and the OL needs to give him some time.

To be continued on Saturday and see how it went and where success or blame can be attributed. Fingers are crossed.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Well we didn't know that Collaros was dealing with a neck injury. Based on being pulled for what we thought was concussion protocol changes the analysis. I suppose it explains part of the poor performance against the Argos.

In no way does Collaros get a free pass for that either.

OTOH, if Collaros was not out and played on Friday I would have expected a better performance than the last game. I would have expected a home win and end to the slid. 

So it's an impossible analysis in that sense. Judgment is based on a healthy players.

Now we just have to hope that Streveler doesn't self destruct and that DB's don't get beat easily. Receivers need to find ways to help and the OL needs to give him some time.

To be continued on Saturday and see how it went and where success or blame can be attributed. Fingers are crossed.

Unfortunately, I think that's just wishful thinking or a healthy sense of denial. Was he hurt most of last year too? Want the 2024 stats? They're the exact same as the 2025 stats so far. When you're a 36 year old quarterback (37 in three weeks) in the CFL you're probably always going to be kind of banged up, right?

I'm a big Zach fan.  Best Bombers QB in decades. I think the lemon is squeezed though. The eyeball test isn't good. The number (over a sustained period) aren't either. You could never make the case that Streveler would be interchangable with Collaros in 2019 through 2023 and parts of 2024. You can now. Even that should have alarm bells ringing.

[Blue In BC]

Wouldn't that suggest the play-calling needs to be simplified? This current stretch of ineptitude looks a good way to get into bad habits, especially for younger players.

The players have just as much to prove but these issues look systemic at times, not just personnel-related.

Compared to last year at this time when the team was struggling with injuries and whatnot, the offense looked much more composed.

Oliveira seems like an afterthought at times, too. It's all just really confounding to me.

Fair points. Hogan should be taking some heat as well. OTOH at times it's overly simplified to short passes to the boundaries.

Even if we can't complete every deep pass, we should be throwing deep a bit more. Defence is crowding the LOS.

I've lost track but there was a deeper throw to Demski that was picked. It was inches away from a completion or a simple knock down. That may have been in the last game against the Stamps or the game against the Argos. Several picks were on passes to Demski. Some were bad throws, some were close and some were great defensive plays.

I'm not blaming Demski, just saying we aren't getting much production from Sterns, Clercius, Wheatfall or Case consistently. It's more hit and miss while Demski " delivers" more often than not.

Either way is shows how the game is a game of inches.

[Blue In BC]

Unfortunately, I think that's just wishful thinking or a healthy sense of denial. Was he hurt most of last year too? Want the 2024 stats? They're the exact same as the 2025 stats so far. When you're a 36 year old quarterback (37 in three weeks) in the CFL you're probably always going to be kind of banged up, right?

I'm a big Zach fan.  Best QB Bombers QB is decades. I think the lemon is squeezed though. The eyeball test isn't good. The number (over a sustained period) aren't either. You could never make the case that Streveler would be interchangable with Collaros in 2019 through 2023 and parts of 2024. You can now. Even that should have alarm bells ringing.

Last year he was 17/15 and often had the best QB rating during the season. Over the last 2 seasons he was 50 / 30.

So no 2024 was not the same as 7 / 8 in 2025. Yes he's in decline like any player that age. Yes, he suffered many injuries last year including a damaged finger in the Grey Cup.

In 2025 he missed game 1 due to his suspension and I think he only had one series in pre season. Those factors also meant less reps in practice leading to the start of the season.

It seems we've often been behind early due to defensive play. That has taken away our bread and butter with our run game focus. Run game opens up the passing game and vice versa.  Even our ST play has given us poor field position or great field position for our opponent.

It would be interesting to know average field position and TOP for each game.

[Blue In BC]

2025 is the 1st season that Bryant will miss 3 consecutive games. We don't have Lawler or O. Wilson. Schoen missed most of 2024 but took an early exit in 2025. Lofton played all 18 games.

[LXTSN]

2025 is the 1st season that Bryant will miss 3 consecutive games. We don't have Lawler or O. Wilson. Schoen missed most of 2024 but took an early exit in 2025. Lofton played all 18 games.

How nice would it be to get Ontaria Wilson back near the end of the season...

[Jesse]

The players have just as much to prove but these issues look systemic at times, not just personnel-related.

Compared to last year at this time when the team was struggling with injuries and whatnot, the offense looked much more composed.

Oliveira seems like an afterthought at times, too. It's all just really confounding to me.

We're actually scoring more than last year through the first 6 games.

[blue_gold_84]

We're actually scoring more than last year through the first 6 games.

Which makes it all the more confounding. Would those numbers be bolstered by the first three games?

[Blue In BC]

In 2024, Bryant, Lofton and Dobson all played 18 games. So did Korny. Only Neufeld missed 4 games.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

In 2024, Bryant, Lofton and Dobson all played 18 games. So did Korny. Only Neufeld missed 4 games.

I don't even need to look to tell you that isn't true. Bryant had that episode where he collapsed on the field at home in Winnipeg and was out a couple weeks after. Very scary.