Collaros Status

[BLUEBOMBER]

If he is injured, we need to get another QB. Streveler was never the backup QB that would take over from Collaros. We should have gotten V.A. or Arbuckle when they were available.

[Blueforlife]

Zach being out won't hurt us really. Offense will look different but I'd expect it to result in similar outputs.

Heavily disagree, a healthy gun slinging Zach is >>>>>>> Strev

Zach will soon be 37, Arbuckle is only 31, so he has at least 4-5 extra years left in the tank. With Chad Kelly established as the starter I believe Arbuckle will go to FA this off-season or demand a trade to see if he can cash in on potential earnings. Who would settle for less than $200k salary when you have the potential to make $350-400k?  Whether he ends up in Wpg. or not is up to Walters.

Hard pass ,not a huge fan really at any price

Of course it will hurt us. Collaros is better that Streveler and he's the team leader.

Yup, significant factor

Not if you look at the stats this year. Not if you don't ignore that one of the apparent best things about Streveler is his leadership.

Collaros is a better QB but only over the whole. Games are won or lost today. Take a quick peak at Zach's numbers the last four outings against Toronto. They're horrible.

A healthy Zach regardless of those past struggles is light years ahead of Strev due to his ability to throw a deep ball consistently on a dime

He's still a better QB than Streveler even when he's playing badly. I didn't notice Streveler winning the last game when he played the 2nd half. I also didn't see him beat the Stamps in the 2nd game with his 5.4 yard average yardage ( 16 / 25 ).

Overall he's 27 / 43 and 284 yards in 2 halves of play. Those were the today you mentioned. I be hard pressed to say Streveler played any better noting he also had 2 picks including a pick 6 and a pick on the goal line. That's crap.

A concise analysis and heavy agree all

I still like and believe in Strev though to win games in a pinch

[dd]

We can compete if we go ball control, run oriented offense. Strev starts putting the ball up and it's going to be pick city or 2 and out.

No Bryant, no schoen , change at safety and corner back , This game could be the ugliest game in the MOS era.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

We can compete if we go ball control, run oriented offense. Strev starts putting the ball up and it's going to be pick city or 2 and out.

No Bryant, no schoen , change at safety and corner back , This game could be the ugliest game in the MOS era.

Might work but the defence has to play much better than they have lately, no explosions given up and create a few timely turnovers. If they can win the turnover battle, they at least stand a chance.

[TecnoGenius]

no, you accused myself (and others) of making up information. If that last post had snarl it is because I don't take kindly to that. Just because you haven't heard something doesn't make it false.

I didn't mean to offend.  I was just trying to get to the truth of the matter and quash misreporting, which often occurs here (it's not anyone's fault, it's a forum where info flies fast.)

As I said, the problem was "your post-game interview" said one thing, "my post-game interview" said another.  It's an easy an honest mistake because we're not always thinking about the other guy's presser -- it's easy to forget there are 2, sometimes 3, of these things post-game.  As far as I was aware I was speaking the truth.

Keep in mind, the entire first page of this thread was stuff like "it's a neck injury officially".  I can definitively say that there was no mention of neck or any specific area in either post-game presser.  So that indeed was "fake news" if presented as something MOS said post-game.  Only July 30 did we learn it was indeed neck from MOS.

I apologize for conflating the TSN vs OB pressers, and I think it would good for the forum if people prefixed their "post-game" with either TSN or OB.  I'll try to start doing that myself.

[TecnoGenius]

I'm officially eating a lot of crow.  Zach is really injured, rather than being pulled just to save his life, being behind a bad OL.

I was thinking more along the lines of concussion, and I really didn't see any cause for that in the TOR game.  But I forgot the ol' neck.

You get a crick or a tweak in your neck and you can have trouble turning it even slightly.  And the pain can go from minor to paralyzed on the couch.  Been there, done that.  And it lingers until one day it just vanishes.

And Zach had neck tweak problems in previous years, so any re-aggravation isn't helping.

We'll just have to hope he'll be back soon.  In the past his "neck" issues took no more than 2-3 weeks, right?

[Jesse]

I'm officially eating a lot of crow.  Zach is really injured, rather than being pulled just to save his life, being behind a bad OL.

I was thinking more along the lines of concussion, and I really didn't see any cause for that in the TOR game.  But I forgot the ol' neck.

You get a crick or a tweak in your neck and you can have trouble turning it even slightly.  And the pain can go from minor to paralyzed on the couch.  Been there, done that.  And it lingers until one day it just vanishes.

And Zach had neck tweak problems in previous years, so any re-aggravation isn't helping.

We'll just have to hope he'll be back soon.  In the past his "neck" issues took no more than 2-3 weeks, right?

I don't think Zach's ever missed more than a game at a time with us. Probably should have just taken last week off, I guess.

[Pigskin]

I don't think Zach's ever missed more than a game at a time with us. Probably should have just taken last week off, I guess.

Your right he doesn't a lot of games. Just drug tests. LOL. I am hearing he has strained neck muscles, similar to a whiplash type of injury.

[Jesse]

Your right he doesn't a lot of games. Just drug tests. LOL. I am hearing he has strained neck muscles, similar to a whiplash type of injury.

Makes sense with that initial hit he took.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

He's still a better QB than Streveler even when he's playing badly. I didn't notice Streveler winning the last game when he played the 2nd half. I also didn't see him beat the Stamps in the 2nd game with his 5.4 yard average yardage ( 16 / 25 ).

Overall he's 27 / 43 and 284 yards in 2 halves of play. Those were the today you mentioned. I be hard pressed to say Streveler played any better noting he also had 2 picks including a pick 6 and a pick on the goal line. That's crap.

Zach Collaros is 90 of 123 (73%) for 1031 yards passing. 7 TDs 8 INTs (17 yards rushing)
Chris Streveler is 47 of 74 (63%) for 558 yards passing. 5 TDs, 3 INTs (63 yards rushing)

Look at the actual outputs and tell me that Streveler starting is going to make a significant difference? If it's a downgrade it's a very slight downgrade based on play in 2025.

Time to be honest with what we have versus what we think we have. Despite our $600,000 quarterback not playing, the results from that spot are going to be similar if past performance this season is year main basis for reason. And I argue they should be because we're not playing games in 2022 anymore.

[Blue In BC]

Zach Collaros is 90 of 123 (73%) for 1031 yards passing. 7 TDs 8 INTs (17 yards rushing)
Chris Streveler is 47 of 74 (63%) for 558 yards passing. 5 TDs, 3 INTs (63 yards rushing)

Look at the actual outputs and tell me that Streveler starting is going to make a significant difference? If it's a downgrade it's a very slight downgrade based on play in 2025.

Time to be honest with what we have versus what we think we have. Despite our $600,000 quarterback not playing, the results from that spot are going to be similar if past performance this season is year main basis for reason. And I argue they should be.

I see the results over the last 2 games but disagree. I don't have blue coloured glasses. Obviously Collaros was and is injured. Streveler throws a horrible ball and telegraphs more throws.  When did 63% become better than 73%? Noting that not all int's are the fault of the QB.

OL issues and inconsistent receivers aren't helping our offence. Play calling has not been good. Penalties as well.

Stats are a funny thing. Wheatfall drops a TD pass in the end zone. Sterns drops a pass on the 5 yard line resulting in a turnover. Neither were the fault of Collaros. Those are just 2 examples that impacted the stats.

V. Adams has 9 TD's and 6 int's. Collaros missed game 1 and missed half of 2 games for a total of 4 games.  His ratio of TD's per time played is greater than Adams. Obviously his int ratio is worse but there are extenuating issues for every QB.

[blue_gold_84]

Play calling has not been good.

This is what's getting to me. What is Hogan doing as OC? Both QBs are making similar mistakes, so it begs the question: what is going on with the play-calling?

[Blue In BC]

This is what's getting to me. What is Hogan doing as OC? Both QBs are making similar mistakes, so it begs the question: what is going on with the play-calling?

OL is inconsistent and receivers are not the best in the CFL. Lack of time is causing forced throws that are predictable to the defence and dangerous to throw. Many look like last resort options rather than primary calls.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

I see the results over the last 2 games but disagree. I don't have blue coloured glasses. Obviously Collaros was and is injured. Streveler throws a horrible ball and telegraphs more throws.  When did 63% become better than 73%? Noting that not all int's are the fault of the QB.

OL issues and inconsistent receivers aren't helping our offence. Play calling has not been good. Penalties as well.

Stats are a funny thing. Wheatfall drops a TD pass in the end zone. Sterns drops a pass on the 5 yard line resulting in a turnover. Neither were the fault of Collaros. Those are just 2 examples that impacted the stats.

V. Adams has 9 TD's and 6 int's. Collaros missed game 1 and missed half of 2 games for a total of 4 games.  His ratio of TD's per time played is greater than Adams. Obviously his int ratio is worse but there are extenuating issues for every QB.

... If it's not Collaros' fault for his numbers then it's not Strevelers' either. So I ask again, won't the output be similar? The results are the results no matter how it "looks".

[Jesse]

This is what's getting to me. What is Hogan doing as OC? Both QBs are making similar mistakes, so it begs the question: what is going on with the play-calling?

Hogan has a lot to prove, but the players make the play call look good or bad sometimes too.

His OL , WR core, and QB have been in constant flux in every game. Kind of hard to build up your offence that way.