Jamal Woods

[gobombersgo]

Has anyone heard whether he will be healthy at any time soon? I haven't even heard whether he's running or close to practising yet.

He may have not beaten out Adams as the starter in TC but at some point we may need him due to injury.

IIRC he had some sort of knee injury and that potentially could be a season ending situation.

He is healthy enough to be a full participant at practice today.

He is allowed to practice as he's been on the 6 game injured list for 4 games now. (He started the season with 1 week on the 1 game injured list)

[Sir Blue and Gold]

None of that suggests our receivers are not part of the problem. On a good day they might be average. Even with Adams I don't think that changes.

You might have a point that Adams or Rourke might have more success with our OL and Receivers than Collaros. OTOH, elusive QB's often get hit more and sustain more injuries when needing to scramble than a more drop back QB.

The hope was that Collaros could find a way to play a quick three step release game like a lot of great QBs did to extend their playing days (there were also a lot of great ones that couldn't, mind you).

I think Zach's going more Russell Wilson than Tom Brady.

Could we have better receivers? Probably. Would it make that much of a difference? It's not in the top 3. Elite offensive line play would help. 2021 Zach would help. Trevor Harris style release would help.

Failing that, we need significantly above average execution across the board on offense most plays. We can still win that way but it reduces the margin of error we previously enjoyed significantly.  It also doesn't help at all that we're still paying Collaros like he can make plays all on his own 8 times a game.

To be clear also, he's taken us to five straight championships. We owe it to him to keep going with him until he can't. I don't think anyone has made any mistakes. I just think we're seeing the start of a decline of a great QB who sadly can't adapt his game enough to eke out 2-3 more years. The ride is coming to an end. Please exit on your left and ensure you collect all your belongings before leaving.

[Blue In BC]

He is healthy enough to be a full participant at practice today.

He is allowed to practice as he's been on the 6 game injured list for 4 games now. (He started the season with 1 week on the 1 game injured list)

Ok, I didn't know the rule had been changed. However, this is game 6 so he's in week 5? After the 2nd Argo game he should be eligible to come of the 6 game IR. Whether he gets extended, moved to 1 game IR or to the AR is all TBD.

[TecnoGenius]

In 2021, probably our most dominant season, our receivers were:

Rasheed Bailey
Nic Demski
Kenny Lawler
Darvin Adams (who missed most of the year)
Janarion Grant
Brendon O'Leary Orange
Drew Wolitarsky

Darvin was often voted the most "underrated player".  He was no slouch.  He had good rapport with Zach.  Bailey was a baller on 2nd down and good blocker, and still a threat to score.

Ignore Grant/BOO, as they weren't starters.  Everyone else on that list was a legit threat to score on any given down.  And I don't mean if they lucked into being wide open, I mean we'd have TD plays drawn up for everyone and Zach would often spread the ball pretty evenly.

I know this as I've been playing fantasy a long time and WPG was usually a bad team to pick RECs from, even when we were beating everyone, because we spread the ball so evenly no one got worthwhile fantasy points.  And when they did, you couldn't have guessed who it would be that week.

[TecnoGenius]

With Hogan as his OC, yes...?

Say what you want about Hogan but they said on the game tonight that WPG has the best redzone production.  I think it was 76% TD hit rate.

That's astounding considering last season we couldn't get into the EZ if our life depended on it until like labor day!  A whack ton of that is scheme by our OC(s!), as it certainly isn't our REC corps talent! 

[TecnoGenius]

Our WR group was average to below average with Schoen. Worse now.
Montreal: Philpott, Mack, Snead, Rambo, Speaker
Hamilton: Lawler, White, Bridges, Smith, Bolo
Ottawa: Lewis, Hardy, Pimpleton, White, Mardner
Saskatchewan: Emilis, Jones, Meyers, KSB, Busby
BC: Hatcher, McInnis, Berryhill, Cotty, Eberhardt
Calgary: Alford, Rhymes, Begelton, Philpott, Barnes
I'd say the above six are all better than us with Schoen.

I still think SSK is weaker.  What a garbage group.  Only KSB is any good.  I doubt the other guys are there 2 season from now.

SSK is winning on scheme and the fast-ball/accuracy talent of T.Harris alone.

OTT & BC are pretty weak too, but at least they have 1-2 "top-5" type guys each.  Without Schoen we have no one scaring no one.

[TecnoGenius]

They absolutely would be if you put 2025 Vernon Adams behind centre.

No

Our problem is mainly OL, followed by REC.  If Zach had all day like VAJ does (before Coker being out) then Zach would be getting 350Y a game too.

Oh ya, and if we had a balanced run attack, unlike the mostly shut-down shambles we have now.  Anyone see Mills ripping out multiple 10YAFC's tonight?  ("Shut down the run, QB can't throw" ending notwithstanding.)

[TecnoGenius]

That still doesn't change the fact our receivers are not a top level group.

Schoen being able to play after another 6GIR stint would help.  As would Pokey returning in late Sept.  We'd be stout then, if Schoen can stay healthy.

The hopium is Schoen is just a minor strain, not another tear...

If we're missing both Schoen & Pokey come trade deadline, and OTT is still crap, then trade away whatever you have to to get Lewis from OTT for the playoff run.  Home GC year, gotta do it.

[blue_gold_84]

Say what you want about Hogan but they said on the game tonight that WPG has the best redzone production.  I think it was 76% TD hit rate.

That bolded part is all fine and good, but here's the rub: ya gotta get to the redzone first.

[Blue In BC]

Schoen being able to play after another 6GIR stint would help.  As would Pokey returning in late Sept.  We'd be stout then, if Schoen can stay healthy.

The hopium is Schoen is just a minor strain, not another tear...

If we're missing both Schoen & Pokey come trade deadline, and OTT is still crap, then trade away whatever you have to to get Lewis from OTT for the playoff run.  Home GC year, gotta do it.

It's tough to no whether Schoen will be back in 2025. I do think we'll see Wilson back in another month but he might sit out the year waiting to make an NFL PR list too.

Making a trade is not out of the question but how much will it help in 2025 if it's late late in the season?

Back to Woods. It looks like he could be ready to come off the 6 game IR after the 2nd Argo game. OTOH, they may just extend him for a few more games. I'm not entirely sure he's an upgrade to Adams but at the very least we need him available in case we have an injury.

I'm not dissing him, I just don't know who would have won the role on the AR if injury in TC didn't shelve him.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

It's tough to no whether Schoen will be back in 2025. I do think we'll see Wilson back in another month but he might sit out the year waiting to make an NFL PR list too.

Making a trade is not out of the question but how much will it help in 2025 if it's late late in the season?

Back to Woods. It looks like he could be ready to come off the 6 game IR after the 2nd Argo game. OTOH, they may just extend him for a few more games. I'm not entirely sure he's an upgrade to Adams but at the very least we need him available in case we have an injury.

We're not going to make a trade. If they think we have a receiver problem they're going to put in Dillon Mitchell because that's how we do things. But we don't have a receiver problem.

[Jesse]

It's tough to no whether Schoen will be back in 2025. I do think we'll see Wilson back in another month but he might sit out the year waiting to make an NFL PR list too.

Making a trade is not out of the question but how much will it help in 2025 if it's late late in the season?

Back to Woods. It looks like he could be ready to come off the 6 game IR after the 2nd Argo game. OTOH, they may just extend him for a few more games. I'm not entirely sure he's an upgrade to Adams but at the very least we need him available in case we have an injury.

I'm not dissing him, I just don't know who would have won the role on the AR if injury in TC didn't shelve him.

I'm hoping we'll get Woods on the DL as an alternative to Ayers.

[Blue In BC]

That bolded part is all fine and good, but here's the rub: ya gotta get to the redzone first.

It's a slightly misleading stat. We'd have to consider total offence yardage and how many big strike TD's teams have. Bombers have had some but other teams may have more " big " plays?

Overall we've dropped down the list of total points scored. In the west we might be 3rd at the moment?

[Blue In BC]

I'm hoping we'll get Woods on the DL as an alternative to Ayers.

I wouldn't be opposed to that change but I'm not sure O'Shea would make it. Ayers is very good on ST's and O'Shea loves his ST players. Many are questioning why J. Jones hasn't replace him.

It depends on how the ratio works out for a given week. Person could be the one getting bumped at DE for depth at DT if Woods was ready. Timing will come into it as well. Person could have a breakout game over the next couple of weeks or he could be headed back to the PR.

I mentioned earlier that I wasn't sure whether we'd go to a 3 import OL if and when Bryant was healthy. That's another ratio change.

[Blue In BC]

We're not going to make a trade. If they think we have a receiver problem they're going to put in Dillon Mitchell because that's how we do things. But we don't have a receiver problem.

Probably not but we seem bent on not putting Mitchell in. I'd argue we do have a receiver issue with Schoen out.