coaching

[BBFANDM]

I think Thomas will continue to be  good asset this year and is good insurance if Lawson doesn't take the next step.  Neither will get that many stats.  Most of what they do will go unnoticed, which is a win at there level.

I am more concerned with our DE's than Thomas.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

I think Thomas will continue to be  good asset this year and is good insurance if Lawson doesn't take the next step.  Neither will get that many stats.  Most of what they do will go unnoticed, which is a win at there level.

Continue?

Jake Thomas - 5 games played. 2 DTs.

He's easy to pick on (and people shouldn't) -- I think we owed it to him to keep with him until he can't. But it's also fair to say we might have reached 'can't.' 2024 was a major regression from 2023 and it appears it's continued. I don't blame the Bombers for wanting to keep as many pieces of that core. But at some point...

[Jesse]

I think Thomas will continue to be  good asset this year and is good insurance if Lawson doesn't take the next step.  Neither will get that many stats.  Most of what they do will go unnoticed, which is a win at there level.

It's not though.

[blue_gold_84]

I am more concerned with our DE's than Thomas.

The unit as a whole has been disappointing so far. I think the interior is where the weakness is really showing, though.

Need more beef in the middle, IMO. The current group isn't cutting it.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Kornelson has more tackles than Thomas let alone Lawson. I like Thomas and he's been a terrific asset for us over the yeasr but hes no longer a solid option. This isn't on him it's on the team that hasn't recruited a better option. (kornelson isnt any better we can get away with Kornelson or Thomas as backup but not both) If you watch the teams with good front lines more and more qb pressure is coming from the inside rush. Against Calgary they dominated our line.
Strong DE.s are getting harder and harder to find. Interior lineman can no longer be just gap fillers but have to provide qb pressures for us to be successful.
(Hutchings, Kendricks, Hendrix are in the top 7 leaders in sacks) (adams is our only interior lineman with even one sack).  And if you talk pressures, they dont provide that either.

This approach indicates members of the fanbase know more about personnel evaluation than the team's coaching staff, which is a delusional concept to begin with.  Are you prepared to debate Jordan Younger on the merits of Jake Thomas?  What facts can you actually bring to the discussion, other then random observations made from the 27th row?

[Blue In BC]

This approach indicates members of the fanbase know more about personnel evaluation than the team's coaching staff, which is a delusional concept to begin with.  Are you prepared to debate Jordan Younger on the merits of Jake Thomas?  What facts can you actually bring to the discussion, other then random observations made from the 27th row?

I don't know. How about the fact that we let the Stamps rush for 130 yards in 20 carries for a 6 yard average.  We also let  them  complete 2nd and long nearly every time. The Stamps controlled the LOS. We gave up 400 yards on defence.    Those are significant facts.

[Pete]

This approach indicates members of the fanbase know more about personnel evaluation than the team's coaching staff, which is a delusional concept to begin with.  Are you prepared to debate Jordan Younger on the merits of Jake Thomas?  What facts can you actually bring to the discussion, other then random observations made from the 27th row?

thats the whole purpose of this forum so that we couch coaches and gms can vent. If I went to younger and said it would have been smarter to go after Greene to replace Ford than add another lb in the off season would he agree who knows. All I can go by is my experience as 30 year+ fan of the game. And yes I would debate him in terms of adding another option at tackle is a good idea.
I don't think he has a lot of choice in playing Thomas cause the alternatives aren't much better, also likely why we resort to three man fronts too much

[bunker]

This approach indicates members of the fanbase know more about personnel evaluation than the team's coaching staff, which is a delusional concept to begin with.  Are you prepared to debate Jordan Younger on the merits of Jake Thomas?  What facts can you actually bring to the discussion, other then random observations made from the 27th row?

A bit harsh IMO. Its a fan forum, fan's are going to question coaching decisions, especially after 2 bad losses.

Its true the bomber's coaches know more about creating an effective defense than the fans. They also are in a better position to evaluate players. However its not like coaches are never wrong (Sam Hurl, Kuale, Damian Jackson are just a few of the names that spring to mind...BC let Kenny Lawler go etc...) They're human and make mistakes. They can get tunnel vision. They can double down on decisions they make, not wanting to admit a mistake. They also get attached to certain players due to habit, sentimental/emotional attachment.

When we did not sign Jake that one offseason he sat at home. No one else signed him, until we eventually signed him again at a salary we were comfortable with. That suggests to me that he's not very talented, since any talented canadian player would have sparked interest in other teams. I also watch him, and see that he has no real pass rushing move other than a "bull rush". Maybe he's instructed to only make that move, maybe he's too slow to do anything else, I don't know. But its usually not very effective. It usually takes him too long to collapse the pocket, and even if he gets through, he's easily evaded by quicker QBs. He's smallish for a DT and often seems to get washed out in run plays. He does make the occasional play, and never quits. He's probably great in the room. But something wasn't working in our D-line against Calgary, and if you're going to point fingers, he's the low hanging fruit.

[Jesse]

This approach indicates members of the fanbase know more about personnel evaluation than the team's coaching staff, which is a delusional concept to begin with.  Are you prepared to debate Jordan Younger on the merits of Jake Thomas?  What facts can you actually bring to the discussion, other then random observations made from the 27th row?

You're saying coaches are infallible and don't make mistakes and can never lose?

[blue_gold_84]

I don't know. How about the fact that we let the Stamps rush for 130 yards in 20 carries for a 6 yard average.  We also let  them  complete 2nd and long nearly every time. The Stamps controlled the LOS. We gave up 400 yards on defence.    Those are significant facts.

The defense as a whole is a responsible for that, not just a single player on the D-line.

The same way the offense as a whole is responsible for their part in the loss on Friday. Singling out players isn't productive and undermines the complexity of a team sport such as football.

You're saying coaches are infallible and don't make mistakes and can never lose?

I won't speak on behalf of TLB, but I don't think that's the implication.

My interpretation of what he posted is that coaches generally know better than fans - for pretty obvious reasons.

[Jesse]

I won't speak on behalf of TLB, but I don't think that's the implication.

My interpretation of what he posted is that coaches generally know better than fans - for pretty obvious reasons.

I obviously went too far, but we see this argument all the time. We criticize certain decisions and some posters attack saying, "coaches know better". Obviously different coaches make different decisions and some are simply mistakes.

[Blue In BC]

The defense as a whole is a responsible for that, not just a single player on the D-line.

The same way the offense as a whole is responsible for their part in the loss on Friday. Singling out players isn't productive and undermines the complexity of a team sport such as football.

I won't speak on behalf of TLB, but I don't think that's the implication.

My interpretation of what he posted is that coaches generally know better than fans - for pretty obvious reasons.

The interior of the DL is responsible for giving up 130 yards rushing. Thomas is responsible for RB's running by him and getting washed out by the OL. He's responsible for only having 2 DT's in 5 games.

Yes the rest of the DL has not played well but there is no pressure from the inside players. Those are the ones that should be making DT's when RB's are running up the gut.  If they aren't getting to the QB, which they aren't then we shouldn't be seeing the LB's making the tackles 5 - 8 yards downfield as a result.

Defending the play of Thomas is questionable at best. He's a non factor.

[dd]

The back breaker plays for me was the Strev pick six and then the defense lining up leaving the WR open at the 5 yd line. Why didn't Holm run offside and kill the play?? He knew he was outmanned before the ball was even snapped, yet we went ahead with the play. That tells me players and coaches aren't focussed and in the game. Teams in High School pull that stunt when there's a blown alignment before the snap, especially at the goal line!!

[dd]

The interior of the DL is responsible for giving up 130 yards rushing. Thomas is responsible for RB's running by him and getting washed out by the OL. He's responsible for only having 2 DT's in 5 games.

Yes the rest of the DL has not played well but there is no pressure from the inside players. Those are the ones that should be making DT's when RB's are running up the gut.  If they aren't getting to the QB, which they aren't then we shouldn't be seeing the LB's making the tackles 5 - 8 yards downfield as a result.

Defending the play of Thomas is questionable at best. He's a non factor.

He's a total non factor, but a fan sentimental favourite--why I'll never know. You can either make plays and contribute, or not, and he is sadly in the 'or not' category. He's done well to make a career of the limited skill set he has, but it was time last season to hang em up, this season is embarassing.

[blue_gold_84]

The interior of the DL is responsible for giving up 130 yards rushing. Thomas is responsible for RB's running by him and getting washed out by the OL. He's responsible for only having 2 DT's in 5 games.

Yes the rest of the DL has not played well but there is no pressure from the inside players. Those are the ones that should be making DT's when RB's are running up the gut.  If they aren't getting to the QB, which they aren't then we shouldn't be seeing the LB's making the tackles 5 - 8 yards downfield as a result.

Defending the play of Thomas is questionable at best. He's a non factor.

Who's defending him or his play?