coaching

[TBURGESS]

It's just how this place operates, any sign of weakness and some folks panic, when we are successful they tend to look really hard for things to complain about.  Goes in cycles.  When we have a few big wins we get too high.  Just how she goes.

Agree all.

IMO you're grossly underestimating how badly we got beat by Calgary, twice.

[RebusRankin]

Production? 

DT's aren't stats whores, their job is to stuff the middle.  If a RB runs within their arms reach, they grab them.  Much like a top DB that has no throws sent his way so they get no tackles/picks/knockdowns in a game, likewise if they run away from Thomas, how can he get stats?

Thomas gets reps because he does his job well. 

Thomas gets reps because he's one of MOS's boys. not because he's productive. Watch him be out of the play or easily blocked most plays next game. Cut him and no CFL team picks him up.

[dd]

IMO you're grossly underestimating how badly we got beat by Calgary, twice.

Strevellers pick at the goal line and then his brutal pick six were 14 point swings in the game. Then there's the goal line stand where no one lined up on the WR for an easy TD. There was some bad plays, and then there were some really really bad plays. I for one don't trivialize that like some others. Calgary was pressing and looking for the pick and got 2. Everyone in the stadium could see they were in press. Why on earth are we throwing into that?!?! Some of its on the players, and some of it is on the coaches for calling plays at the wrong time/situation. I am hoping Strev learned from his blunders...did Hogan??

[blue_gold_84]

Thomas gets reps because he's one of MOS's boys. not because he's productive. Watch him be out of the play or easily blocked most plays next game. Cut him and no CFL team picks him up.

This is some take.

You seem pretty convinced Jake Thomas is so terrible and is only employed in the CFL because of O'Shea's favouritism, so this begs the question: who replaces him on the D-line, either in terms of NAT status or productivity?

Who else is on your list of "MOS's boys," BTW?

[RebusRankin]

This is some take.

You seem pretty convinced Jake Thomas is so terrible and is only employed in the CFL because of O'Shea's favouritism, so this begs the question: who replaces him on the D-line, either in terms of NAT status or productivity?

Who else is on your list of "MOS's boys," BTW?

Lawson is younger, more productive and gets more of a push and creates more pressure.

Tell you what, find me actual examples of Thomas having an impact and get back to me or tell me which CFL picks him up if we cut him.

[blue_gold_84]

Lawson is younger, more productive and gets more of a push and creates more pressure.

Lawson rotates in a similar way to Thomas. If the former were capable of handling more reps, it would stand to reason he'd get them.

Tell you what, find me actual examples of Thomas having an impact and get back to me or tell me which CFL picks him up if we cut him.

Nah. This is just you posting in bad faith.

[RebusRankin]

Lawson rotates in a similar way to Thomas. If the former were capable of handling more reps, it would stand to reason he'd get them.

Nah. This is just you posting in bad faith.

Bad faith, keep telling yourself that.

[theaardvark]

IMO you're grossly underestimating how badly we got beat by Calgary, twice.

In Calgary, yes.  Badly beaten.

At home, we could have won.

It was 17-13 at the half after losing our starting QB to a very questionable hit.  Should have been an ejection, and will no doubt be a fine, and maybe suspension.

But again, 3-2 is better than 1-4.  The Toronto game will tell us a lot about where we are.

[blue_gold_84]

Bad faith, keep telling yourself that.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

In Calgary, yes.  Badly beaten.

At home, we could have won.

It was 17-13 at the half after losing our starting QB to a very questionable hit.  Should have been an ejection, and will no doubt be a fine, and maybe suspension.

Highly doubt it, they didn't call a penalty and it wasn't a dirty hit, Zach just landed wrong.

[Blueforlife]

IMO you're grossly underestimating how badly we got beat by Calgary, twice.

Nope not underestimating that at all.  We were beaten badly and laid two eggs, been saying that all week.

Not just speaking to recently but entire past of this place.  Patterns of behavior are predictable.  For example, my blue coloured glasses are welded on until one or many of the following change; regime, qb, rb, etc.  Been that way a few years pre mini dynasty.  I'll need someone with an industrial grinder when we rebuild lol.  The HD glasses were handy 7 or 8 years ago when I needed the deflector shields lol.  There are others in my army with similar defences lol.

We at the bottom of a trough, surfs up, time to shred the Argos.

Lawson rotates in a similar way to Thomas. If the former were capable of handling more reps, it would stand to reason he'd get them.

Nah. This is just you posting in bad faith.

I'm with BG84

Thomas => Lawson

Lawson once seasoned and less rusty > Thomas

Thomas gets reps because he's one of MOS's boys. not because he's productive. Watch him be out of the play or easily blocked most plays next game. Cut him and no CFL team picks him up.

Thomas gets reps because he a solid Canadian depth player with size, good againsts the run, is never injuried, consistent and knows his assignments. End is near, end is not now.  Lawson  is a excellent replacement, but will have a hard time meeting Thomas's legevity.

A quarter of the league if cut wouldn't get picked up.  That part of the argument holds no weight imo.

Fatboi is a valued and important member of this club.  What a decade of dedication proves that.  We let him go and brought him back.  As good a cdn depth / backup/ rotatation guy as there is (in his prime).

Thomas also critcal as backup OL. 

[theaardvark]

Highly doubt it, they didn't call a penalty and it wasn't a dirty hit, Zach just landed wrong.

Whups... Keep mixing things up... just getting old.  Was thinking of Dru...

[TBURGESS]

Make all the excesses you want, but the Stamps beat us by 21 points in both games and that includes a TD after beat down, or it would have been 28 points. "If we hadn't thrown all the picks", that we obviously threw, we might have won is the only 'argument' you have, and it's weak sauce.

[Pete]

Nope not underestimating that at all.  We were beaten badly and laid two eggs, been saying that all week.

Not just speaking to recently but entire past of this place.  Patterns of behavior are predictable.  For example, my blue coloured glasses are welded on until one or many of the following change; regime, qb, rb, etc.  Been that way a few years pre mini dynasty.  I'll need someone with an industrial grinder when we rebuild lol.  The HD glasses were handy 7 or 8 years ago when I needed the deflector shields lol.  There are others in my army with similar defences lol.

We at the bottom of a trough, surfs up, time to shred the Argos.
I'm with BG84

Thomas => Lawson

Lawson once seasoned and less rusty > Thomas
Thomas gets reps because he a solid Canadian depth player with size, good againsts the run, is never injuried, consistent and knows his assignments. End is near, end is not now.  Lawson  is a excellent replacement, but will have a hard time meeting Thomas's legevity.

A quarter of the league if cut wouldn't get picked up.  That part of the argument holds no weight imo.

Fatboi is a valued and important member of this club.  What a decade of dedication proves that.  We let him go and brought him back.  As good a cdn depth / backup/ rotatation guy as there is (in his prime).

Thomas also critcal as backup OL. 

Kornelson has more tackles than Thomas let alone Lawson. I like Thomas and he's been a terrific asset for us over the yeasr but hes no longer a solid option. This isn't on him it's on the team that hasn't recruited a better option. (kornelson isnt any better we can get away with Kornelson or Thomas as backup but not both) If you watch the teams with good front lines more and more qb pressure is coming from the inside rush. Against Calgary they dominated our line.
Strong DE.s are getting harder and harder to find. Interior lineman can no longer be just gap fillers but have to provide qb pressures for us to be successful.
(Hutchings, Kendricks, Hendrix are in the top 7 leaders in sacks) (adams is our only interior lineman with even one sack).  And if you talk pressures, they dont provide that either.

[Blueforlife]

Kornelson has more tackles than Thomas let alone Lawson. I like Thomas and he's been a terrific asset for us over the yeasr but hes no longer a solid option. This isn't on him it's on the team that hasn't recruited a better option. (kornelson isnt any better we can get away with Kornelson or Thomas as backup but not both) If you watch the teams with good front lines more and more qb pressure is coming from the inside rush. Against Calgary they dominated our line.
Strong DE.s are getting harder and harder to find. Interior lineman can no longer be just gap fillers but have to provide qb pressures for us to be successful.
(Hutchings, Kendricks, Hendrix are in the top 7 leaders in sacks) (adams is our only interior lineman with even one sack).  And if you talk pressures, they dont provide that either.

I think Thomas will continue to be  good asset this year and is good insurance if Lawson doesn't take the next step.  Neither will get that many stats.  Most of what they do will go unnoticed, which is a win at there level.