coaching

bluebeard · July 21, 2025, 07:19:14 PM

Wow... we have lost one game and some of us are flipping out. The sky is not falling. It is a long season and it really is only about one third played. We've gone to the Cup the last few seasons. Other teams wish ( I think) to be in our shoes. Give the coaching staff half a chance.

Blueforlife · July 21, 2025, 07:57:46 PM

Quote from: bluebeard on July 21, 2025, 07:19:14 PMWow... we have lost one game and some of us are flipping out. The sky is not falling. It is a long season and it really is only about one third played. We've gone to the Cup the last few seasons. Other teams wish ( I think) to be in our shoes. Give the coaching staff half a chance.

Yeah this is how the forum works, the panic comes on quickly. Agree all.

TBURGESS · July 21, 2025, 08:16:15 PM

Quote from: bluebeard on July 21, 2025, 07:19:14 PMWow... we have lost ~~one game~~ 2 blow out games in a row to the same team, and some of us are flipping out. The sky is not falling. It is a long season and it really is only about one third played. We've gone to the Cup the last few seasons. Other teams wish ( I think) to be in our shoes. Give the coaching staff half a chance.

FIFY

blue_gold_84 · July 21, 2025, 08:32:00 PM

The sky definitely isn't falling, but there should be ample cause for concern after ugly back-to-back losses to the same division rival, and one loss in which the Bombers were coming off a bye - and at home.

I think we all expected a better performance on Friday night. The fact that they looked unprepared and played a mostly forgettable, uninspired, and undisciplined game despite a week off is troubling, IMO.

Pete · July 21, 2025, 08:52:17 PM

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 21, 2025, 04:07:16 PMThis isn't a very convincing claim. Unless you're privy to information or access typically not meant for outsiders/fans.

Besides, what's the alternative here? It's not like changing the reps of two players would've influenced the outcome of Friday's game in any significant way.

of course its clear to anyone that watches OShea has a preference that he places a higher value on certain types of players, especially those who have payed their dues

He just happens to be very stubborn in not adjusting when it doesn't work out
The issues Ive mentioned aren't a result of 2 games, its been ongoing, and every year our core gets older and less impactful.Since we won the last cup can you possibly say that this team has improved from one year to the next in any year
Its more of a case of weaker western opponents and when we get to the cup we cant bridge that gap. its what happens when you strive to maintain rather than improve

The Zipp · July 21, 2025, 09:34:13 PM

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on July 21, 2025, 08:32:00 PMThe sky definitely isn't falling, but there should be ample cause for concern after ugly back-to-back losses to the same division rival, and one loss in which the Bombers were coming off a bye - and at home.

I think we all expected a better performance on Friday night. The fact that they looked unprepared and played a mostly forgettable, uninspired, and undisciplined game despite a week off is troubling, IMO.

yes it is

either the coaching wasn't there or the players tuned it out...neither is a great option. we need a well played game in all phases to make me not worried.

TecnoGenius · July 22, 2025, 02:56:43 AM

Quote from: Pete on July 21, 2025, 08:52:17 PM of course its clear to anyone that watches OShea has a preference that he places a higher value on certain types of players, especially those who have payed their dues

This. It's not that we know what MOS thinks of player A or B. It's that those who closely follow WFC know the philosophy and tendencies and values of MOS. It's not like he hides these things. And his actions match his words.

TecnoGenius · July 22, 2025, 02:57:26 AM

Quote from: TBURGESS on July 21, 2025, 08:16:15 PMFIFY

2 bad losses in a row to a divisional opponent and likely WDF contender.

FIMFY

dd · July 22, 2025, 03:06:07 AM

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 22, 2025, 02:56:43 AMThis. It's not that we know what MOS thinks of player A or B. It's that those who closely follow WFC know the philosophy and tendencies and values of MOS. It's not like he hides these things. And his actions match his words.

I agree with MOS s philosophy, it's how he played - work hard, play for your teammates, plAy hard nosed football. He doesn't cave to primadonas in fact they are likely shown the door. This way you weed out those who aren't bought in as when the going gets tough those are the guys who will battle til the end.

TecnoGenius · July 22, 2025, 03:14:20 AM

Quote from: dd on July 22, 2025, 03:06:07 AMI agree with MOS s philosophy, it's how he played - work hard, play for your teammates, plAy hard nosed football. He doesn't cave to primadonas in fact they are likely shown the door. This way you weed out those who aren't bought in as when the going gets tough those are the guys who will battle til the end.

I agree with it too. And he's principled enough that he will stick to his guns, basically no matter what. It's taken him this far, taken our team from zero a decade ago to perennial hero, and gotten us to 5 straight cups.

Anyone who doesn't understand, or doesn't like MOS's philosophy is going to be sorely disappointed until the day he is fired. Because it ain't going away.

theaardvark · July 23, 2025, 04:30:58 PM

Quote from: dd on July 21, 2025, 04:03:47 PMThomas is not playing better than Lawson, a quick look at the stats shows Lawson has 7 defensive tackles and Thomas, a whopping 2, 2 tackles for all the reps he gets. Ridiculous. Therein lies the problem on the defensive line, zero production from the interior

Production?

DT's aren't stats whores, their job is to stuff the middle. If a RB runs within their arms reach, they grab them. Much like a top DB that has no throws sent his way so they get no tackles/picks/knockdowns in a game, likewise if they run away from Thomas, how can he get stats?

Thomas gets reps because he does his job well.

theaardvark · July 23, 2025, 04:34:48 PM

We have a winning record. In a playoff position with a game or two in hand against those behind us.

Last year we were 1-4 at this point. Went on to 2-6. Finished 11-7 at the top of the division.

So, yeah, the sky is falling....

Jesse · July 23, 2025, 04:53:26 PM

Quote from: theaardvark on July 23, 2025, 04:30:58 PMProduction?

DT's aren't stats whores, their job is to stuff the middle. If a RB runs within their arms reach, they grab them. Much like a top DB that has no throws sent his way so they get no tackles/picks/knockdowns in a game, likewise if they run away from Thomas, how can he get stats?

Thomas gets reps because he does his job well.

There's absolutely something to be said for the argument that DL play is not solely about stats. That pressures and filling gaps doesn't always result in countable stats.

That said, it doesn't absolve them from never contributing. If they are always doing the little things right, eventually they are the guy who comes free and records the tackle/sack/FF.

That has not been happening and they deserve some criticism.

dd · July 23, 2025, 05:39:24 PM

Quote from: theaardvark on July 23, 2025, 04:30:58 PMProduction?

DT's aren't stats whores, their job is to stuff the middle. If a RB runs within their arms reach, they grab them. Much like a top DB that has no throws sent his way so they get no tackles/picks/knockdowns in a game, likewise if they run away from Thomas, how can he get stats?

Thomas gets reps because he does his job well.

Where were they filling gaps vs Calgary. Mills and their backup RB ran up the gut and gashed us for huge yards.

Blueforlife · July 23, 2025, 06:15:12 PM

Quote from: theaardvark on July 23, 2025, 04:34:48 PMWe have a winning record. In a playoff position with a game or two in hand against those behind us.

Last year we were 1-4 at this point. Went on to 2-6. Finished 11-7 at the top of the division.

So, yeah, the sky is falling....

It's just how this place operates, any sign of weakness and some folks panic, when we are successful they tend to look really hard for things to complain about. Goes in cycles. When we have a few big wins we get too high. Just how she goes.

Agree all.