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Started by Pete, July 20, 2025, 11:28:40 PM

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Pete

Has any of our intrepid reporters interviewed any of the coaches and asked who makes the personnel decisions for the game day roster and in game?
I know the buck stops at OShea but is Younger the one continually putting guys like Thomas in? Did Hogan want Case in before Mitchell?
We have repeated called out OShea for sticking with vets vs playing and developing young talent but is it all on him?

Blueforlife

Quote from: Pete on July 20, 2025, 11:28:40 PMHas any of our intrepid reporters interviewed any of the coaches and asked who makes the personnel decisions for the game day roster and in game?
I know the buck stops at OShea but is Younger the one continually putting guys like Thomas in? Did Hogan want Case in before Mitchell?
We have repeated called out OShea for sticking with vets vs playing and developing young talent but is it all on him?

Case is slot thats why he played and coaches said that
Thomas rotates and will continue
We roster the best mix possible based on input from the a lot of the organization I'm sure

Pete

Quote from: Blueforlife on July 20, 2025, 11:34:26 PMCase is slot thats why he played and coaches said that
Thomas rotates and will continue
We roster the best mix possible based on input from the a lot of the organization I'm sure
not my question regardless of how good/bad the decision is who makes it at the time and does the question get asked

The Zipp

Quote from: Pete on July 21, 2025, 12:09:53 AMnot my question regardless of how good/bad the decision is who makes it at the time and does the question get asked

even if the question is asked they will just get low level snark back from MOS.  So they don't ask. 

Blueforlife

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Quote from: The Zipp on July 21, 2025, 12:28:40 AMeven if the question is asked they will just get low level snark back from MOS.  So they don't ask. 
That's your opinion and you are stating it like it's a fact.  I don't agree about your take here in anyway. 

We have no idea how it operates within closed doors in the Bomber organization.  I believe it's a team based discussion between management, coaches and veteran leaders.  Our culture is great here.  I don't believe what you are suggesting is close to how it is.

Pete

Quote from: Blueforlife on July 21, 2025, 12:32:08 AMThat's your opinion and you are stating it like it's a fact.  I don't agree about your take here in anyway. 

We have no idea how it operates within closed doors in the Bomber organization.  I believe it's a team based discussion between management, coaches and veteran leaders.  Our culture is great here.  I don't believe what you are suggesting is close to how it is.
after 10 years youd think wed have some clarity

Blueforlife

Quote from: Pete on July 21, 2025, 01:09:03 AMafter 10 years youd think wed have some clarity
Pretty clear how they operate works just fine based on past success

Pete

sorry Blue but even coaches get complacent or lose intensity after a period of time, which leads to questions that are being continuously asked  ie what are we doing with Thomas getting the majority of the snaps? Why are we not playing younger players that we draft high. (not even getting a snap other than special teams) To question what the coaching dynamics are isnt unreasonable.

TecnoGenius

Quote from: Pete on July 21, 2025, 12:09:53 AMnot my question regardless of how good/bad the decision is who makes it at the time and does the question get asked

I'm sure it's collaborative (HC + coords).  However, we all know MOS's style is to hire capable people and then leave them to manage their little fiefdom.  So that would mean MOS will likely defer to the coord's desired starter choice.

However, MOS sets the overall tone in terms of rewarding loyalty and effort.  It's very "MOS-like" for Case to get a start, as a "he's earned it" kinda thing.  The coords know this and will adjust their choices to match that style.
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Jesse

It's a weird question, because it ignores ratio/salary cap/injuries.

All 3 coordinators will have their preferred staters and a desire for depth/rotational players and they have to balance that with the ratio. I'm sure multiple line-ups are debated each week and MOS is obviously responsible for the final say.

If you're making the claim that some vets shouldn't be started, who are you asking them to be replaced with?
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Pete

Its pretty clear that  OShea has his preferences when it comes to certain players
I have mentioned Thomas and Case,but in the past Johnson Jackson even Smeckle and Kornelson I get that OShea probably has the most say on the roster make up.
But ingame use ie why does Shay and Smith get virtually no regular reps? Why is Thomas in the top two of defensive reps while having 2 tackles all year.
To say its a collaborative effort between a boss and coaches reporting to him,,guess which way they are going to go

Its disappointing that guys like Hamilton and even Hodge dont report on this more

Blueforlife

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Quote from: Pete on July 21, 2025, 02:22:31 PMIts pretty clear that  OShea has his preferences when it comes to certain players
I have mentioned Thomas and Case,but in the past Johnson Jackson even Smeckle and Kornelson I get that OShea probably has the most say on the roster make up.
But ingame use ie why does Shay and Smith get virtually no regular reps? Why is Thomas in the top two of defensive reps while having 2 tackles all year.
To say its a collaborative effort between a boss and coaches reporting to him,,guess which way they are going to go

Its disappointing that guys like Hamilton and even Hodge dont report on this more
Thomas get reps as he is playing as well or better than Lawson.  Thomas is good against the run.  Case was the best option at slot.  We are so deep at LB so the new guys get less reps.
Quote from: Jesse on July 21, 2025, 12:24:42 PMIt's a weird question, because it ignores ratio/salary cap/injuries.

All 3 coordinators will have their preferred staters and a desire for depth/rotational players and they have to balance that with the ratio. I'm sure multiple line-ups are debated each week and MOS is obviously responsible for the final say.

If you're making the claim that some vets shouldn't be started, who are you asking them to be replaced with?
Agree all, easy to complain about the process without making a suggestion of who would be a better option.

dd

Thomas is not playing better than Lawson, a quick look at the stats shows Lawson has 7 defensive tackles and Thomas, a whopping 2, 2 tackles for all the reps he gets. Ridiculous. Therein lies the problem on the defensive line, zero production from the interior

blue_gold_84

Quote from: Pete on July 21, 2025, 02:22:31 PMIts pretty clear that  OShea has his preferences when it comes to certain players

This isn't a very convincing claim. Unless you're privy to information or access typically not meant for outsiders/fans.

Besides, what's the alternative here? It's not like changing the reps of two players would've influenced the outcome of Friday's game in any significant way.
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Quote from: DM83 on July 21, 2025, 06:19:39 PMDoesn't matter. This won't make any difference.  Poor coaching , recruiting, players ( DBs ) poor fundamentals, too many guys who don't rally to the ball.

Def cordinatorm thinks Man to man is the best  philosophy when it is nit.  He does not have the personnel.  A soft man, where DNs give five yard cushions.....?....  Bend but don't break!
Oh really!
Zero pass rush.  Front five are pretty much going through the motions

Most other teams came out flat, but have actually practiced, it seems Bombers well, you mostly can see the complacency.. let's see how the Argos cream the Bombers by 14.   

Bombers don't have a QB this week. Can we even score?
The tone of your posts are similar to how they were before we won 2 cups and went to the big show 5 times.  Things worked out well then and should again.  The only difference is we are not a dominate team at the moment but still middle of the pack.
We have good to great coaches.  Our recuiting has been great over the years, average this year.  Expected with the changes we made in the organization.  Our DBs are good to very good with Bridges learning his craft.  Our defensive strategy is solid and based on years of having a top defense.  Yes we need more pressure from the DL.  You are over generalizing our defensive style.  We are not bend and don't break.  Hall moved away from that years ago.  Younger is much more dynamic and blitzes more.  I like the balance he brings and the number of different looks he creates make a difference.
 Yes we will score.  20 to 25 with Strev and 30ish with Zach.