Vaughters is a beast

[TecnoGenius]

Vaughters continually impresses me.  Even when many on our front 7 are sucking out the joint this dude is still making impressive plays.  Every single week.

Look at 2Q2:55 in the WPG@CGY game.  Mills about to kick it to C gap again, basically wide open field.  Vauthers catches him around the neck and basically whips him to the ground like a rag doll.

Contrast with Kramdi a couple of plays before who whiffed on an open field tackle that would have limited Mills to 2YD, but got him 12+ YD.  Kramdi is good at a lot of things, but bringing down a heavy RB like Mills isn't one of them.

Anyhow, Vaughters brings his A game on most snaps and is getting results.  He is the single best FA pickup this season, by a country mile.  Willie is still doing his "I don't do run plays" standing-off thing...

[GOLDMEMBER]

Not so sure about that Tecno.

[Jesse]

He's actively been very disappointing, though it's the DL as a whole that's been ineffective and he's just one part of that.

I'm glad he makes plays here and there though.

[BomberFan73]

Did he have a good game lastnight?  Pretty sure he took a couple penalties, and we sure didn't get great pressure.

I actually thought this might have been a joke thread.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Vaughters continually impresses me.  Even when many on our front 7 are sucking out the joint this dude is still making impressive plays.  Every single week.

Look at 2Q2:55 in the WPG@CGY game.  Mills about to kick it to C gap again, basically wide open field.  Vauthers catches him around the neck and basically whips him to the ground like a rag doll.

Contrast with Kramdi a couple of plays before who whiffed on an open field tackle that would have limited Mills to 2YD, but got him 12+ YD.  Kramdi is good at a lot of things, but bringing down a heavy RB like Mills isn't one of them.

Anyhow, Vaughters brings his A game on most snaps and is getting results.  He is the single best FA pickup this season, by a country mile.  Willie is still doing his "I don't do run plays" standing-off thing...

I think Vaughters has been solid if unspectacular, he's smaller than I thought he was when he was with Calgary.  Really noticed how small Kramdi is compared to other players, I think he may have maxed out in effectiveness due to his limited size, strength and speed.  It might be time to find a different role for him.

[Blueforlife]

Agree with Techno has been consistent and good, beast yes, it's like I wrote the title,.love it
Yes Kramdi not a beast eliminator, more a finesse guy, I think he played ok, filled in at safety for a bit I think when Nichols was out and we shuffled the deck

Vaughters needs to avoid the rtp penalty

Techno, you have got to be recognized as the single most outrageous. Poster this season. You identify ideas to keep this forum alive.

Vaulters? Is that. The guy from Calgary / NFL? Who is he?

Disagree with your comments about techno
While I don't always agree with him, he is thoughtful, throughout and provides great content
often providing great and accurate insights on this club and league
Not outrageous really imo, sometimes he gets the foil out but that ok
You called him outrageous but you claim you don't even know anything about the player he is commenting on lol

[TecnoGenius]

He's actively been very disappointing, though it's the DL as a whole that's been ineffective and he's just one part of that.

I'm glad he makes plays here and there though.

The DL as a whole didn't do anything last night, yes.  Vaughters by himself was making plays.  He literally is our "beast" on the DL.  Whether that's more a function of our weak DL, is for you to decide.

For his FA price and impact on the (very bad) D, I maintain he was the best FA pickup.  I dare someone else to name a FA pickup of ours that is doing better?  Logan?  Mitchell?  Ha, and ha!

Also, I don't think most study each play like I do, especially on D.  I notice things that don't show up as a stat.  And I notice extra things about the stat plays that many don't.

Oh, and our carousel of nobody DEs was doing better last season?

I can virtually guarantee MOS is noticing these things about Vaughters too.  If he keeps this up he'll be a long-term Bomber.

[TecnoGenius]

I think Vaughters has been solid if unspectacular, he's smaller than I thought he was when he was with Calgary.

Unspectacular in stats maybe, not on overall impact.  He's getting waaaay more pressures, and waaaay more effective against the run than Willie J.

And "solid" is good enough when you factor in his FA $$.  We're not paying him EDM DL money...

[TecnoGenius]

Since no one wants to acknowledge Vaughters is making hay out there...

How about Lawson basically being a clone of Fatboi out there.  Every rags on Fatboi, but Lawson is performing basically at the same level.  You can't even tell them apart when they're on unless you know the "secret" (and spot the numbers, lol).

I've been watching both and Lawson isn't getting much more pressure than Fatboi.  So if you're gonna rag on him, rag on Lawson too.

Adams isn't making much of an impact either.

Is it the DL coaching??  Who's our coach?  We rarely stunt, and the "is the RB/TE really staying in or not?" delayed "blitz" is proving horribly ineffective against VAJ.  We are so vanilla on DL and blitzes, and nothing is working against good QBs.

Maybe time to shake up the DL coach.  Our DL has been useless since Jeffcoat left, and that's a long time ago now.

[Blueforlife]

Since no one wants to acknowledge Vaughters is making hay out there...

How about Lawson basically being a clone of Fatboi out there.  Every rags on Fatboi, but Lawson is performing basically at the same level.  You can't even tell them apart when they're on unless you know the "secret" (and spot the numbers, lol).

I've been watching both and Lawson isn't getting much more pressure than Fatboi.  So if you're gonna rag on him, rag on Lawson too.

Adams isn't making much of an impact either.

Is it the DL coaching??  Who's our coach?  We rarely stunt, and the "is the RB/TE really staying in or not?" delayed "blitz" is proving horribly ineffective against VAJ.  We are so vanilla on DL and blitzes, and nothing is working against good QBs.

Maybe time to shake up the DL coach.  Our DL has been useless since Jeffcoat left, and that's a long time ago now.

This forum needs a whipping boy.  Has been Thomas for years.  Easy to go for the low lying fruit. Lawson likely needs more time.  I thought Adams would be better.  Woods will help.

[TecnoGenius]

Lawson likely needs more time.  I thought Adams would be better.  Woods will help.

Lawson has now "had more time".  Isn't this his 3rd year?  More?

When Walker left the whole plan was Lawson was going to be "it" as the star DT, starter, and ratio-buster.  He wasn't just supposed to share reps with Fatboi.

And we often play Fatboi and Lawson as the 2 DTs on certain snaps when we need more ratio in the DB-field.

Adams is a good player, and yet he too isn't doing much, which makes me really question the coaching and scheme.  Our entire DL can't suck that bad many years in a row...

[Blueforlife]

Lawson has now "had more time".  Isn't this his 3rd year?  More?

When Walker left the whole plan was Lawson was going to be "it" as the star DT, starter, and ratio-buster.  He wasn't just supposed to share reps with Fatboi.

And we often play Fatboi and Lawson as the 2 DTs on certain snaps when we need more ratio in the DB-field.

Adams is a good player, and yet he too isn't doing much, which makes me really question the coaching and scheme.  Our entire DL can't suck that bad many years in a row...

Lawson needs more time due to his recovery from his injury imo
I am hopeful he can improve but we will know by years end

[Blue In BC]

This forum needs a whipping boy.  Has been Thomas for years.  Easy to go for the low lying fruit. Lawson likely needs more time.  I thought Adams would be better.  Woods will help.

Low hanging fruit is why he's the whipping boy by definition. When low hanging fruit is starting that is a significant issue. He only has that role due to the need in the ratio.

Stat info posted elsewhere about rep count this season. Seems about right but I have no way to confirm either. A trend graph might be interesting too.

Vaughters: 236
Jefferson: 233
Lawson: 167
Thomas: 167
Adams: 143
Kornelson: 39

I might question whether Bailey as a global would be a good replacement for Kornelson? That's switching depth at DT for DE, but we heard so much about the potential of Bailey when he was drafted.

[BomberFan73]

Lawson has now "had more time".  Isn't this his 3rd year?  More?

When Walker left the whole plan was Lawson was going to be "it" as the star DT, starter, and ratio-buster.  He wasn't just supposed to share reps with Fatboi.

And we often play Fatboi and Lawson as the 2 DTs on certain snaps when we need more ratio in the DB-field.

Adams is a good player, and yet he too isn't doing much, which makes me really question the coaching and scheme.  Our entire DL can't suck that bad many years in a row...

I have to agree, I've been disappointed in Lawson's progression. I had thought he'd be the starter by now and Jake would be subbing behind him. Lawson seemed to have so much promise a couple years ago, maybe he's still working his way back?

[blue_gold_84]

He's actively been very disappointing, though it's the DL as a whole that's been ineffective and he's just one part of that.

I'm glad he makes plays here and there though.

This. The D-line has been disappointing to say the least.