Official Game Day Thread - Winnipeg at Calgary, July 3, 2025

[TecnoGenius]

What did biggie tell them? Our QB is old and the ball hangs up a long time so just bait him and that should be good for 2 picks sixes? Then he earned his money this week.

Simple logic:

Is Biggie the smartest guy on our D, the QB of our D (when healthy) for many years, and probably knows the book and Hall better than anyone else?  Yes?

Did Biggie tell them something?  Even one thing?  Yes?

Did that one thing lead to even one on-field play by CGY being better than it otherwise would have?  Yes?

It doesn't have to be he spilled the whole book and every little thing CGY did was because of it.  It just has to be one little thing at the margin to make it worthwhile for CGY.

Now, if you can admit that, then multiple that one little thing by how many multitudes of little things he really impacted.  The only question left is "how many things".  To my eyes it sure looked like CGY had the "cheat code" to unlock the WPG D on all those mid/deep completions!

Not saying 99% of CGY's performance was due to Biggie, all I'm saying is it's more than 0%.  And I'm not sure how anyone can argue that.

[J5V]

Simple logic:

Is Biggie the smartest guy on our D, the QB of our D (when healthy) for many years, and probably knows the book and Hall better than anyone else?  Yes?

Did Biggie tell them something?  Even one thing?  Yes?

Did that one thing lead to even one on-field play by CGY being better than it otherwise would have?  Yes?

It doesn't have to be he spilled the whole book and every little thing CGY did was because of it.  It just has to be one little thing at the margin to make it worthwhile for CGY.

Now, if you can admit that, then multiple that one little thing by how many multitudes of little things he really impacted.  The only question left is "how many things".  To my eyes it sure looked like CGY had the "cheat code" to unlock the WPG D on all those mid/deep completions!

Not saying 99% of CGY's performance was due to Biggie, all I'm saying is it's more than 0%.  And I'm not sure how anyone can argue that.

Then it's incumbent on Jordan Younger to take advantage of what Calgary may *think* they know about our schemes and turn the tables with some evil deception. Could be fun!  :-)

[TecnoGenius]

And Adam has never seen this offensive play book.

It's not the O playbook, it's the D playbook and inside details / philosophy, that's what you buy Biggie for.  Lots of wide open mid/deep RECs and 8sec in the pocket plays by their O... BC (even with Rourke) and EDM didn't "figure it out", but CGY did.  Hmmm.

[J5V]

Now that Biggie is gone who is the QB of our defense?

[TecnoGenius]

Then it's incumbent on Jordan Younger to take advantage of what Calgary may *think* they know about our schemes and turn the tables with some evil deception. Could be fun!  :-)

This 2nd level "2 moves ahead" thing is what I'm always waiting to see our O do, whether with Buck or Hogan.  I'm still waiting.  Don't these guys play chess?

Other O's do it, and feast on us when they do.

Like the wide out pick-6.  We're all sitting there thinking "they'll goad you into thinking it's safe after being safe 2-3 times, and then pick it".  Why isn't Hogan/Zach thinking the same thing and scheming to get a guy behind the wide out, do a pump fake to the out, and then throw it behind him if he cheats up.  Boom, that DB is out of the play.

Zach generally had decent time most of the night, but we never do any pump-fakes or look-offs.  There's no extra level of detail and obfuscation.

[TecnoGenius]

...So maybe he was not, as someone suggested, punching Streveler in the nads repeatedly, but rather, hurt and reacting to an injury? And maybe, just maybe, that's why Streveler wasn't upset and there was no penalty? Big if true!

LOL, you roll with that.  Because when you're a D on top of a guy with a broken hand, your first impulse is to start stabbing down with said hands 3 times rather than just lay there or roll over onto the turf trying to protect said hand...

[TecnoGenius]

What happened to Griffin?  He went from play-maker to invisible last night.

I saw him make a huge hit on someone.  Other than that, nada.  Then again, he's not on D too much compared to the others.

[TecnoGenius]

Kudos to Streveller's nads then as Thomas appeared to hurt his hand on them. He came off holding it and went straight to the tent.

Yes, Strev is now "Nads of Steel" (TM).  Someone needs to get this info to WFC...

If you're gonna punch nads, make sure they aren't Strev's!

[TecnoGenius]

As they say, a game is the result of a few plays that go one way or the other.  I was really annoyed when Vaval took that kick out of the end zone. While I can't remember if that was the series for the 1st pick 6, starting that deep is always dangerous even if you punt.

It was.  We ran a couple/few plays then threw it straight to the DB for the complete destruction of the game.  It would have been waaaay better to start at the 40.

The worst part about the bring-out is it was clear there was nothing there.  We're all sitting there thinking "dance and take a knee" and then he comes out and gets hosed at the 7 or whatever.

Rookie mistake.  I'm sure Miller & MOS will correct that darn fast.

[TecnoGenius]

So far I am not sure Vaughters is any better that our younger DEs from last year.

100% he is better.  Just not in that game.  I didn't see many stunts, and not much blitzing.

We seemed to spend a lot of effort on contain when it turned out to be unneeded.  VAJ wasn't in a running mood.  Maybe that's part of the plan to beat us: get us focusing on the mobile-QB-run then play as a pure pocket passer.

[TecnoGenius]

I think Schoen may be gone for awhile

Hard to say just on what we saw.  The first thought would be another ACL/MCL or similar.  Does anyone know if that was the same leg he ruined last time?  If so, he may be gone for the year and we need to get White back on the PR.

With no Kenny on the roster this year, losing Schoen would likely mean the end to our GC aspirations.  Unless Pokey returns... maybe this is the year we actually look at a massive splash REC mid-season trade?

[Blue In BC]

Simple logic:

Is Biggie the smartest guy on our D, the QB of our D (when healthy) for many years, and probably knows the book and Hall better than anyone else?  Yes?

Did Biggie tell them something?  Even one thing?  Yes?

Did that one thing lead to even one on-field play by CGY being better than it otherwise would have?  Yes?

It doesn't have to be he spilled the whole book and every little thing CGY did was because of it.  It just has to be one little thing at the margin to make it worthwhile for CGY.

Now, if you can admit that, then multiple that one little thing by how many multitudes of little things he really impacted.  The only question left is "how many things".  To my eyes it sure looked like CGY had the "cheat code" to unlock the WPG D on all those mid/deep completions!

Not saying 99% of CGY's performance was due to Biggie, all I'm saying is it's more than 0%.  And I'm not sure how anyone can argue that.

The logic is only true under the tinfoil hat. Considering when he got there and their bye week, they probably only had 3 practices while he was there. Teams have game film to study then listen to anything Bighill could add in a few days.

I'd say zero value. Now he might have some input before the next game, but their coaches already know what to expect.

So yes, ZERO is more a logical conclusion.

[Pigskin]

We have Vaughters who know there D, and Logan who knows there O. Every team also has tons a video, far to much is being made of this.

[TecnoGenius]

We have Vaughters who know there D, and Logan who knows there O. Every team also has tons a video, far to much is being made of this.

And I hope we debriefed them in a similar way, for whatever it was worth.  Though you can't compare either of those players' importance on CGY as you can 10-year Biggie with WPG.

But there is a critical difference: every team is chasing WPG.  No one was chasing CGY.  Another difference, Vaughters actually sees the field.  Biggie never will.

I'm not the one blowing this up, I just keep repeating that the effect is not zero, no matter how much people say it is.  If it was zero, it wouldn't be done.  The true tinfoil is that the effect is zero, not that it is 1 to 100%.

And BinBC, the length of time / practice sessions are irrelevant.  This is about scheme and play calling, which just takes the OC sitting alone drawing up his game plans.

[TecnoGenius]

Now that Biggie is gone who is the QB of our defense?

Kyrie is my guess.  He's the uber-vet.  Also explains why Mafia was uber-reluctant to give him up in the Purge Of The Olds And Injured.