Winnipeg @ BC the Rematch

[dd]

Ayers is a great ST player. In any case, while it could get Cooley on the AR it doesn't directly allow him to start. You have to replace a starting import with a starting Canadian. The two choices are Sterns or Vanterpool.

The transactions on CFL.CA show Sheahan moved to PR. What's that all about? Is Castillo going to take on all kicking?

Ya especially since we just released Evan's!!

[TecnoGenius]

I don't think you do. You suggest multiple changes to starters and the roster in order to get Cooley on the roster. All that in order to add a RB that would be an injury replacement and back up whichever one you choose.

Unless Cooley is a viable alternative as a receiver, this is insanity.

You were saying?  Insanity?

You're a keen roster-following fan.  Answer me this one question: how many games in the last 3 years have we dressed only 1 "real" RB?  I really can't think of any.  We always had JA27 to start/backup, and usually an IMP RB like McCrae to get on AR when the franchise guy was on IR.

If we never did it before (or maybe once in an emergency) why would we do it now?  Mafia is nothing if not consistent.

Therefore they'll AR Cooley, because FB "doesn't count" and there are no other legit NAT RBs on the PR.  This is simple logic.

How they go about it many people have already given ideas, including me... and you.  The only question then becomes "start or backup"?

[TecnoGenius]

Why would Wallace be at LG?

That's where Vanterpool played and, as you say, Neufeld is dealing with something.

Not good news if Neuf is banged up (still).  We'll be weaker with Wallace in his spot.  Neuf was mega killer on blocks and stunt-pickups and roadgrading in game 1.  It was obscene how good and effective he was.

Plus that takes us even farther away from our chance to see the "desired" lineup!  At this rate we'll never see the desired lineup because the hot hand will win out, perhaps with one change to ease the ratio burden.

[TecnoGenius]

I think we need to hear how that will unfold before the panic sets in.

No one else is panicking.  In fact, I think most people are really excited to see what Cooley can bring.  And a Cooley-Peterson tag-team tandem would be even better, as the ratio will dictate if Cooley is DI.

[TecnoGenius]

BinBC, you're forgetting that we often (like 40%+ of the time) play jumbo, whether 5+FB, 6 (maybe + FB), or 7.  Every single one of the 6th, 7th and FB are NAT.

And we even more often put in some sort of jumbo on running plays.

If Cooley is DI (my guess) then he can freely come in with zero ratio implications every time we go any sort of jumbo.  Period.

The rest of the snaps are for Peterson, which will be nearly as good anyhow.  We can't lose with this arrangement.  And you can even get Cooley in on non-jumbo by giving Corcoran a couple of reps.  (The only thing you "lose" is Ayers, but we're deep enough at LB already and it's only for 1-2 games.)

[Jesse]

Not good news if Neuf is banged up (still).  We'll be weaker with Wallace in his spot.  Neuf was mega killer on blocks and stunt-pickups and roadgrading in game 1.  It was obscene how good and effective he was.

Plus that takes us even farther away from our chance to see the "desired" lineup!  At this rate we'll never see the desired lineup because the hot hand will win out, perhaps with one change to ease the ratio burden.

I think it's pretty expected that if he was a GTD a few days ago, he'd still have something lingering. Extra rest on the first practice of the week isn't uncommon for the vets anyways.

[Blue In BC]

You were saying?  Insanity?

You're a keen roster-following fan.  Answer me this one question: how many games in the last 3 years have we dressed only 1 "real" RB?  I really can't think of any.  We always had JA27 to start/backup, and usually an IMP RB like McCrae to get on AR when the franchise guy was on IR.

If we never did it before (or maybe once in an emergency) why would we do it now?  Mafia is nothing if not consistent.

Therefore they'll AR Cooley, because FB "doesn't count" and there are no other legit NAT RBs on the PR.  This is simple logic.

How they go about it many people have already given ideas, including me... and you.  The only question then becomes "start or backup"?

When was the last time we only started 7 Canadians? Some like McCrae could be used in the passing game but he was the primary returner. At this point Cooley cannot do any of that.  In the past when BO got nicked we mostly went away from the run game. Now if his injury is long term then there MIGHT be an argument.

So yes, I say insanity and interest in a rookie import RB with the wrong passport.  You're also thinking that Chris-Ike has zero skills as a RB even though he did in college.

Augustine rushed 222 times for about 1250 yards in 96 CFL games. Chris-Ike rushed 114 times in 27 games for just under 500 yards.  Last year when we had Augustine he was next up.  I'm not sure he can be successful but there is enough info to test him in practice.

Clearly Logan would have been the next man up if not for the injury. In 36 games he's carried the ball for nearly 900 yards, has receptions and is a primary returner. It doesn't appear he's healthy yet and it would be a shame to bump Vaval.

I guess we'll see what happens with BO and whether they adjust the ratio / DI's this week.

[Pete]

After Preseason O'Shea was talking about how we needed to find a way to get Cooley onto roster and see what he can do
This seems like the perfect opportunity to do so
 Peterson was great but it was one game. With Streveler in BC was so worried about him running ( Buck's influence) that it gave him openings.With Collaros you know they are gonna beef up the box and not spread out the linemen
 Im not sure whose the better blocker but that may enter into it as well.
 Whether its Ayers, Sterns, or Vanderpool thats a decision they can make

[Blue In BC]

After Preseason O'Shea was talking about how we needed to find a way to get Cooley onto roster and see what he can do
This seems like the perfect opportunity to do so
 Peterson was great but it was one game. With Streveler in BC was so worried about him running ( Buck's influence) that it gave him openings.With Collaros you know they are gonna beef up the box and not spread out the linemen
 Im not sure whose the better blocker but that may enter into it as well.
 Whether its Ayers, Sterns, or Vanderpool thats a decision they can make

Valid points. I think the Lions can be run against and were'nt too happy with their DL. OTOH, you need a larger sample than 1 game to insert him.

How much did the coaches view the performance of Peterson versus the change to Cooley as the starter. We all understand the need to have a back up, but that is tough with limited DI's.

Each and every option has a different cost for team performance and even where to put a player removed. Put another way, if you move Vanterpool to 1 game IR and add Coolly, then you just added a game check over a PR check ( $3K more ).

I'm not sure any of the options mentioned would be willing to return to PR. However that is speculation.

[The Zipp]

derek Taylor says moving Sheehan was just a paper move and 100% he is punting in the game.

[Blue In BC]

derek Taylor says moving Sheehan was just a paper move and 100% he is punting in the game.

Well it makes sense that he'll play. I don't understand what the paper move accomplished though. Odd to say the least. Unless he's getting an extension and they move him off the PR and re-sign him to an extension?

[The Zipp]

practice updates on twitter are really sparse today.  nothing from ed, limited from derek and bauming.  nothing even saying player X had a great catch, pass breakup - nothing ??

anyone there from the forum ?

[theaardvark]

Is there a global function with pay scales (the Hansen rule) that might allow them to pay him more after he's played 3 seasons and re-signs?  This would be his third season, and having played a game, now could be eligible to emerge from the global ELC max restriction, and get a little raise.

As to the difference between a PR IR and AR cheque, there does not have to be any at all.  We could be paying Cooley a full ELC game cheque on the PR, to keep him here.  I don't think he'd stay on a PR here behind Brady for min PR$.  After his preseason, he'd be scooped by someone for AR ELC money. 

[Blue In BC]

Is there a global function with pay scales (the Hansen rule) that might allow them to pay him more after he's played 3 seasons and re-signs?  This would be his third season, and having played a game, now could be eligible to emerge from the global ELC max restriction, and get a little raise.

As to the difference between a PR IR and AR cheque, there does not have to be any at all.  We could be paying Cooley a full ELC game cheque on the PR, to keep him here.  I don't think he'd stay on a PR here behind Brady for min PR$.  After his preseason, he'd be scooped by someone for AR ELC money. 

You're dreaming if you think we're paying Cooley ELC instead of PR money. If they were going to do that they'd 1 game IR him in order to not use a PR roster spot.

We have had a Canadian ( Augustine ) on the AR since 2018 and haven't needed to PR an import. That and Oliveria hasn't missed many games since season 1. Since 2022 he's only missed 1 game.

There isn't a limit to number of players on 1 game IR. There is a limit on number of players on PR.

Nobody scoops up PR players.

As far as Sheahan and getting a raise I'm not sure when or if a global can get more. 

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Is there a global function with pay scales (the Hansen rule) that might allow them to pay him more after he's played 3 seasons and re-signs?  This would be his third season, and having played a game, now could be eligible to emerge from the global ELC max restriction, and get a little raise.

As to the difference between a PR IR and AR cheque, there does not have to be any at all.  We could be paying Cooley a full ELC game cheque on the PR, to keep him here.  I don't think he'd stay on a PR here behind Brady for min PR$.  After his preseason, he'd be scooped by someone for AR ELC money. 

No reason to do that, why not pay every player on the PR ELC wages?  Players talk, can't pay one PR player more and 10 others less.

Cooley crash landed on the planet owned by the most dominant RB in the CFL who also happens to be the reigning MOP and MOC.  Either he didn't do his homework, had no knowledge of the ratio, or someone sold him a bill of goods regarding his opportunity to make the team. Could be they brought him in as TCF and he surprised everyone. If Petersen hadn't arrived at the same time it would have been easy enough to roster him, but as it is he fits like a square peg in a round hole. Possible scenario he gets in a few games this season, does well, and they trade him for draft picks or a more usable asset later on.  If not, gone next off-season.  One extra thought, when does Brady's deal expire?