Official Game Day Thread - BC at Winnipeg, June 12, 2025

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Blue In BC

#165
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 14, 2025, 12:18:05 AMTerrible idea to put an RB back there.  We have a guy doing great and now you want to possibly hurt and wear out another RB? Looking for problems when there isn't one
When healthy Brady get all the reps imoDisagree Brady is the best player in the league and gets the rock
Brady bull ball is one of our pillars of strength Jake continues to prove many wrong, father time ain't coming yet.  Just a beast.  Agree on Lawson.Disagree play calling was excellent
Overstated on negative imoAged poorlyWow panic came early I see, patience paid off

Asking for Wilson that early made zero sense

Strev is a QB and a good backup one
Bombers did not look lost at any point imo


Putting Peterson back as a returner only if Oliveria is healthy would be to develop another skill set for Peterson.

You should note that our planned returner Logan is a RB.

Not that we need a different returner at the moment, having one that is Canadian in our pocket is an advantage.

If Oliveria is healthy and getting most of the reps at RB, then it keeps Peterson involved and develops his versatility. You said that Brady gets nearly all the reps if he's healthy. So what do you want Peterson to do, sit on the bench the entire game.

You need another catch phrase besides " overstated in the negative ". If anything is overstated it's that phrase.
One game at a time.

Blueforlife

#166
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 14, 2025, 12:58:31 AMPutting Peterson back as a returner only if Oliveria is healthy would be to develop another skill set for Peterson.

You should note that our planned returner Logan is a RB.

Not that we need a different returner at the moment, having one that is Canadian in our pocket is an advantage.

If Oliveria is healthy and getting most of the reps at RB, then it keeps Peterson involved and develops his versatility.
Disagree, a good way to hurt a player that is our #2 rb and a good one to boot, he is a key part of our future and developing him as an RB / blocker should be our priority.  Lots to learn there before adding another job that we don't need and are already deep on.  If he had success previously as a returner I might change my opinion of it.  When your starting RB is CDN you got to ensure your backup CDN back is ready, healthy and fresh in event of injury.
Case would be next returner up to develop imo but he is too far down on the depth chart, I see him as a good emergency use player at the moment
Receivers and occasionally DBs are good projects for returning
Never been a fan or in favour of starting RBs back there or RBs as project returners (I hated putting Charie at risk back in the day)
Yes some RBs have a return skill set, like Logan, I am well aware, skat backs are decent at it
You should note that trying to create a skill set in an RB that doesn't already have could be risky and not effective imo
We are three deep at returner, see zero logic or urgency to develop a 4th at this time
I'll use whatever phrases I want on here, thanks for the input though, nobody else has mentioned anything to the effect
I believe you are (and have before) overstating your criticism of my use of that language lol

dd

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 14, 2025, 12:58:31 AMPutting Peterson back as a returner only if Oliveria is healthy would be to develop another skill set for Peterson.

You should note that our planned returner Logan is a RB.

Not that we need a different returner at the moment, having one that is Canadian in our pocket is an advantage.

If Oliveria is healthy and getting most of the reps at RB, then it keeps Peterson involved and develops his versatility. You said that Brady gets nearly all the reps if he's healthy. So what do you want Peterson to do, sit on the bench the entire game.

You need another catch phrase besides " overstated in the negative ". If anything is overstated it's that phrase.
Peterson showed clearly he belongs on the field running the football, he had an unreal first game and will only get better.

If BO is taking the majority of the reps at RB and Peterson is rotting on the bench, by all means put him in as a returner. He is a purebred runner--he's punishing, illusive and hard to bring down, arguable better than Brady, who will break tackles like crazy on ST.

If he isn't getting offensive reps, get him returning kicks and keep him active in the game and develop his skill sets further. You don't develop anything sitting on the sideline and we saw yesterday, he is waaaaay too productive to be sitting on a sideline!!!

Blueforlife

#168
Quote from: dd on June 14, 2025, 02:05:50 AMPeterson showed clearly he belongs on the field running the football, he had an unreal first game and will only get better.

If BO is taking the majority of the reps at RB and Peterson is rotting on the bench, by all means put him in as a returner. He is a purebred runner--he's punishing, illusive and hard to bring down, arguable better than Brady, who will break tackles like crazy on ST.

If he isn't getting offensive reps, get him returning kicks and keep him active in the game and develop his skill sets further. You don't develop anything sitting on the sideline and we saw yesterday, he is waaaaay too productive to be sitting on a sideline!!!
Way to early to say he is better than Brady
Agree a great talent at RB, pass as a returner imo
I am interested in developing him as an RB, blocking, receiving in backfield etc.  Lots to learn there before we worry about the return game

We have a decent returner on the roster, one that is hurt and proven and Case as emergency use only

Nobody rots on this team, everyone plays

A rookie and unproven  returner can get hurt or turn the ball over, not interested in either

dd

How many times did he turn it over last night?? Um, zero. He's runningback, protecting the ball while you carry it is a pre-requisite for his position. From what I saw last night, I have zero concerns about him turning the ball over, he got him by alot of big linebackers and it didn't phase him one bit

Blueforlife

#170
Quote from: dd on June 14, 2025, 02:35:22 AMHow many times did he turn it over last night?? Um, zero. He's runningback, protecting the ball while you carry it is a pre-requisite for his position. From what I saw last night, I have zero concerns about him turning the ball over, he got him by alot of big linebackers and it didn't phase him one bit
You nailed it, doing a good job at RB, which is his position, something he had played for a long time.  But you missing a key point here. Returning kicks is 100% different.  You have to judge the ball in the air, catch a high ball, adjust as you go, deal with cover team, judge kick distance, hang time and adjust to directional kicking, collect ball when bounces etc., run full speed with people flying at you full speed.  The return game takes a special skill set which often has new faces fumbling or mishandling the ball.  Ball security is so critical on the return game as it can flip the field in a hurry.  We have seen our share of weak returners in our time and also it's position that has a high risk of injury.

I love his game at RB, let's not get carried away now thinking he can he a stud at returner.  Imo a position that we are already stacked with depth in

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Quote from: Jesse on June 13, 2025, 01:01:25 AMCan anyone explain what happened on those penalties? They didn't announce them in stadium.

I heard that one in-stadium, though Proulx's mic was hot garbage all night.  It was a crackback block, which I always thought had to be inside the box, but it turns out it can be anywhere along the line.

It was a weak call because the hit has to be "forceable" and though the REC braced and made it look foreceable, the end result wasn't even medium-strength.  These often go unnoticed and uncalled: one of the rarer penalties.
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Blue In BC

#173
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 14, 2025, 01:02:06 AMDisagree, a good way to hurt a player that is our #2 rb and a good one to boot, he is a key part of our future and developing him as an RB / blocker should be our priority.  Lots to learn there before adding another job that we don't need and are already deep on.  If he had success previously as a returner I might change my opinion of it.  When your starting RB is CDN you got to ensure your backup CDN back is ready, healthy and fresh in event of injury.
Case would be next returner up to develop imo but he is too far down on the depth chart, I see him as a good emergency use player at the moment
Receivers and occasionally DBs are good projects for returning
Never been a fan or in favour of starting RBs back there or RBs as project returners (I hated putting Charie at risk back in the day)
Yes some RBs have a return skill set, like Logan, I am well aware, skat backs are decent at it
You should note that trying to create a skill set in an RB that doesn't already have could be risky and not effective imo
We are three deep at returner, see zero logic or urgency to develop a 4th at this time
I'll use whatever phrases I want on here, thanks for the input though, nobody else has mentioned anything to the effect
I believe you are (and have before) overstating your criticism of my use of that language lol

I don't know that Peterson doesn't have that skill set. It's not unusual for Canadians to play ST's before they become starters.

Obviously there are other imports on the AR that can also return but they are full time starters. Being 3 deep on the PR ( possibly ) doesn't help in game.

The reality is that in the Lions game there were 7 punt returns and 3 K/O returns. Peterson had 1 of the K/O returns for 22 yards. That was better than any Lions return on a kick off.

No problem with him learning how to block on offence but we had 55 plays on offence. Oliveria only had 2 touches and was injured.

Injuries are part of the game unfortunately but developing skill sets are too.

You should look at Demski's history in both college and in the CFL. Used as a RB and returner as well as a starting receiver.

It's early but I'd also be looking at Peterson developing as a receiver in the same fashion as Demski. Mostly this would be during practice but receiving, blocking and ST's  are all part of depth for Canadians.
One game at a time.

Blueforlife

#174
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 14, 2025, 01:16:25 PMI don't know that Peterson doesn't have that skill set. It's not unusual for Canadians to play ST's before they become starters.

Obviously there are other imports on the AR that can also return but they are full time starters. Being 3 deep on the PR ( possibly ) doesn't help in game.

The reality is that in the Lions game there were 7 punt returns and 3 K/O returns. Peterson had 1 of the K/O returns for 22 yards. That was better than any Lions return on a kick off.

No problem with him learning how to block on offence but we had 55 plays on offence. Oliveria only had 2 touches and was injured.

Injuries are part of the game unfortunately but developing skill sets are too.

You should look at Demski's history in both college and in the CFL. Used as a RB and returner as well as a starting receiver.

It's early but I'd also be looking at Peterson developing as a receiver in the same fashion as Demski. Mostly this would be during practice but receiving, blocking and ST's  are all part of depth for Canadians.
Makes some good point but I prefer my tailbacks to focus on their craft.  I see him working on his pass receiving in the backfield not as a receiver.  Demski is an exceptional Swiss army knife talent not the norm. 
Canadians play on ST yes but returning is best left to the specialists imo.  A high rate of injury occurs at that position.  Not worth the risk imo.  Very excited about our depth at RB, how do we keep finding these studs??? unreal!
If stars align we could have Logan and Vaval on the roster which would allow depth in game as needed.  Going to be a tough decision each week who to dress with all the talent we have to be sure.
In a pinch I would prefer a backup receiver to return or backup DB with speed and good hands.
Keeping a promising backup CDN tailback healthy and focused on his craft at RB is how I would approach it.
To me it's not can he do it, which he likely can, it's ensuring his health, keeping his focus and also ensuring ball security for the club which are more important imo
I'm really high on Vaval

TecnoGenius

Quote from: theaardvark on June 13, 2025, 04:05:23 PMIf Logan lets Vaval get a few more games, I'm not sure Logan makes it back to the roster...  its been a minute since we had a DB returner

Fogg?  Funny thing is, wasn't Fogg still the returner when Strev was first starting for us in '18?
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: VictorRomano on June 13, 2025, 03:24:57 AMDigging Streveller's mullet.  Maybe that's the key to his arm?  Now we need Osh to bring back the torn cap...

He was wearing it for this game, all night!  Torn hat.  Torn hat.
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Blue In BC

Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 15, 2025, 10:55:51 AMFogg?  Funny thing is, wasn't Fogg still the returner when Strev was first starting for us in '18?

Sayles was another one that did returns.
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Waffler

Not seen Peterson field a punt, now would not be a good time to see his first one.

If Brady can't go then we need Cooley to play otherwise we just have no depth at rb. Not sure what import they would take off.

Cobb is the best Nat on the PR. Would he take Brady's roster spot?
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Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 15, 2025, 10:56:25 AMHe was wearing it for this game, all night!  Torn hat.  Torn hat.


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