Top 3 QB salaries

[Stats Junkie]

For information purposes:

The BC Lions have a list of participants in their school programs from the past 3 months. For each grouping of events listed as 'road trip' there was usually a 'Pub Night' in one of those communities.

https://www.bclions.com/schoolprograms/

This list does not include other community or cultural events. For example, the BC Lions have conducted a few football camps for kids this off season.

Here are the participants and the number of events attended:

Dylan St.Pierre (89)
Patrice Rene (57)
Sean Whyte (55)
Boseko Lokombo (29) - Retired
Andrew Peirson (27)
Justin McInnis (14)
Manny Rugamba (13) - now with Elks
Nathan Rourke (11)
Sean Milllington (1) - past player

Nathan Rourke is at the bottom of this list & I would have expected him to be higher. He has made a number of radio/podcast appearances and he did make a prominent appearance at the Vancouver Warriors lacrosse game last week.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

For information purposes:

The BC Lions have a list of participants in their school programs from the past 3 months. For each grouping of events listed as 'road trip' there was usually a 'Pub Night' in one of those communities.

https://www.bclions.com/schoolprograms/

This list does not include other community or cultural events. For example, the BC Lions have conducted a few football camps for kids this off season.

Here are the participants and the number of events attended:

Dylan St.Pierre (89)
Patrice Rene (57)
Sean Whyte (55)
Boseko Lokombo (29) - Retired
Andrew Peirson (27)
Justin McInnis (14)
Manny Rugamba (13) - now with Elks
Nathan Rourke (11)
Sean Milllington (1) - past player

Nathan Rourke is at the bottom of this list & I would have expected him to be higher. He has made a number of radio/podcast appearances and he did make a prominent appearance at the Vancouver Warriors lacrosse game last week.

Rourke may not even reside in Vancouver during the off-season, forcing him to cram his marketing workload into the season. He's going to be a busy boy.

[Blue In BC]

Rourke may not even reside in Vancouver during the off-season, forcing him to cram his marketing workload into the season. He's going to be a busy boy.

A lot of the marketing is done in season around town. There are always some players that are " local " that do marketing during the off season. I'm not sure if Rourke will be living in Vancouver year round, but his image and TV work can be used / done.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

For information purposes:

The BC Lions have a list of participants in their school programs from the past 3 months. For each grouping of events listed as 'road trip' there was usually a 'Pub Night' in one of those communities.

https://www.bclions.com/schoolprograms/

This list does not include other community or cultural events. For example, the BC Lions have conducted a few football camps for kids this off season.

Here are the participants and the number of events attended:

Dylan St.Pierre (89)
Patrice Rene (57)
Sean Whyte (55)
Boseko Lokombo (29) - Retired
Andrew Peirson (27)
Justin McInnis (14)
Manny Rugamba (13) - now with Elks
Nathan Rourke (11)
Sean Milllington (1) - past player

Nathan Rourke is at the bottom of this list & I would have expected him to be higher. He has made a number of radio/podcast appearances and he did make a prominent appearance at the Vancouver Warriors lacrosse game last week.

I'd suggest to you that school appearances probably aren't the best use of Rourke's marketing dollars or time. It's important work - and good work - but there's a reason Skip the Dishes puts Jon Hamm in a commercial and doesn't send him to 45 restaurants instead.

[TBURGESS]

Folks are fixated on the term marketing & are trying to tie the term to the amount of actual marketing players do. That's not what this is. It's simply an additional amount teams can pay players outside the SMS. It might as well be called the 'Outside The SMS Pot Of Dough'.

[Blue In BC]

Folks are fixated on the term marketing & are trying to tie the term to the amount of actual marketing players do. That's not what this is. It's simply an additional amount teams can pay players outside the SMS. It might as well be called the 'Outside The SMS Pot Of Dough'.

Absurd narrow view. Players do all sorts of public appearances. Their images might be used in advertising. So yes, the marketing money is exactly that.

[TBURGESS]

Absurd narrow view. Players do all sorts of public appearances. Their images might be used in advertising. So yes, the marketing money is exactly that.

It's just called marketing money. Nothing ties it to actual marketing no matter how much you want to do that. 

Players who get marketing money and players who don't get marketing money both do public appearances and their images might be used in advertising. So no, the so-called marketing money isn't tied to either of your examples. You've just bought into the marketing of the word marketing.

[Blue In BC]

It's just called marketing money. Nothing ties it to actual marketing no matter how much you want to do that.

Players who get marketing money and players who don't get marketing money both do public appearances and their images might be used in advertising. So no, the so-called marketing money isn't tied to either of your examples. You've just bought into the marketing of the word marketing.

Let's see if even one other poster agrees with you.

[TBURGESS]

Let's see if even one other poster agrees with you.

If they want to be wrong too, that's OK with me. 

[theaardvark]

It's just called marketing money. Nothing ties it to actual marketing no matter how much you want to do that.

Players who get marketing money and players who don't get marketing money both do public appearances and their images might be used in advertising. So no, the so-called marketing money isn't tied to either of your examples. You've just bought into the marketing of the word marketing.

The "Pot of outside the $SMS" money known as "Marketing money" was put in pace for exactly that purpose, to allow teams to reward players that actively promote the team and the league.

The fact that BC turned it into your "slush fund" does not change what it is, and what it is intended for.

Will BC face any questions regarding their use of the funds?  We will see what the new Commish does about it.

I prefer the way Walters has used it within the actual parameters.  We will NOT face any repercussions for its use.

[Blue In BC]

If they want to be wrong too, that's OK with me.

Occom's razor. You're the one with your head in the sand. This was negotiated by the CFLPA for exactly that reason.

[TBURGESS]

Occom's razor. You're the one with your head in the sand. This was negotiated by the CFLPA for exactly that reason.

Occam's Razor doesn't fit the data. If it did, there would be some rules around what is and what isn't marketing. There would be minimum and maximum amounts. Actual marketing would have to take place to earn the marketing money. All players would get marketing money for specific things, not just some players getting an amount with no strings attached. None of that exists. The only thing marketing about it is the name. 

The CFLPA actually negotiated a minimum pot of money outside the SMS, given out at the whim of the teams, to whichever players they wanted to, with no maximum and no strings attached. The CFL called that marketing money. You and others look at the name, decide what it should and shouldn't be mean and then say that's what it obviously is.

Both of your earlier examples were what actual marketing money might look like, but they aren't what's in the freakin contract, and you know that. Maybe some day there will be real marketing clauses, but until then, you're simply wrong. 

[TBURGESS]

The "Pot of outside the $SMS" money known as "Marketing money" was put in pace for exactly that purpose, to allow teams to reward players that actively promote the team and the league.

The fact that BC turned it into your "slush fund" does not change what it is, and what it is intended for.

Will BC face any questions regarding their use of the funds?  We will see what the new Commish does about it.

I prefer the way Walters has used it within the actual parameters.  We will NOT face any repercussions for its use.

You're stating the purpose/intent of the marketing money based solely on the name. 

The fact the BC used it the way they did, proves that it's not actually marketing money. The fact that they redid Rourke's contract in the offseason, and it still has $200K of marketing money means that the CFL is fine with it. 

Maybe the new Commish will agree with you and BiB and negotiate a different version of the MM, but that doesn't change the fact that it's not actually marketing money at the moment.

There are no 'actual parameters' that's kinda the point. 

[Jesse]

Worked great for all involved... until it didn't.  Hence the discussion.  At this point I'm starting to wish Doman never bought the Lions.  In just 1 season he's opened up 2 massive cans of worms, both of which required slapdowns by Ambrosie & the CFL.

I bet the other owners/prezs aren't too pleased about any of this.

Doman has been nothing but good for the league. I haven't see any negatives.

[Jesse]

My Granddaughter did a little home work. This is where Bombers player rant on the pay scale.

QB: Collars. (3) $600K, $100 bonus. Doesn't look like any marketing money. 

DB: Kramdi. (7) $145K
    Nichols (12) $136K
    Holm:  (14) $135K, $40K bonus, $5K marketing.

RB: BO20.  (1) $240K, $65K bonus, $50K marketing
    Logan. (6) $107K, $10K bonus, $7500K marketing

DL: Jefferson: (6) $200K, $100K bonus.
    Vaughters: (13) $160k, $45K bonus.

RW: Denski. (4)  $225K, $10K marketing.
    Schoen. (16) $160K, $75K bonus.

OL: Bryant. (14) $170K, $75K bonus.

LB: J. Jones (12) $120K, $15K bonus, $8K marketing.
    T. Jones (13) $117K, $15K bonus, $5K marketing.

K:  Castillo. (6) $115K, $30K bonus

Looks like anyone on a existing contract did not get any marketing money.

And that makes total sense. If it's negotiated as part of their contract, but they already had one, tough luck I suppose?