Willie Jefferson

dd · December 24, 2024, 11:54:56 PM

What?? Grey Cups have never been his focus?? Really. Wow. I don't believe that for a second.

TecnoGenius · December 30, 2024, 05:10:55 AM

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 23, 2024, 11:29:34 PMI don't think GC's are his focus at this point, more important is setting himself up in the community for life after football. Don't know what that would be for Willy, as he doesn't seem to be the type that would want to get into coaching and I don't know what skills he has to offer a business. Most won't just pay for a big personality.

Willie is smart and savvy, and I think is totally thinking about his situation after football. He is on the downtrend age-wise, and is looking at 5 more years of playing in the absolute best case.

He's made a great name for himself in WPG, which is something he's purposefully cultivated. He's indicated he wants to stay here, and he probably wants to retire here. Why harm that with some last minute sloppiness/craziness like AH33 did?

I think Willie is playing the long game, and perhaps will accept no-raises or even age-related-salary-reductions so he can remain a good value proposition to WFC. He is practically at Walby, AH33, and Bighill level for name recognition here. You can put that to good use after football.

However, his GC performance makes a re-sign discount deal for the WFC tricky this off-season: he deserves a raise for that, not a reduction!

bluengold204 · December 30, 2024, 01:05:13 PM

Willie is usually one of the first to re-sign. Bit worry some that he hasn't done so yet. His time here could be coming to an end.

Blue In BC · December 30, 2024, 01:50:24 PM

Quote from: bluengold204 on December 30, 2024, 01:05:13 PMWillie is usually one of the first to re-sign. Bit worry some that he hasn't done so yet. His time here could be coming to an end.

True but our re-signing of players has been very slow so far.

Throw Long Bannatyne · December 30, 2024, 03:59:01 PM

Quote from: dd on December 24, 2024, 11:54:56 PMWhat?? Grey Cups have never been his focus?? Really. Wow. I don't believe that for a second.

What I meant is Willie is not going to make a jump to another team in pursuit of a quick GC ring, which could maybe justify him signing with the Argos, but no other teams with better odds of achieving the goal than with the Bombers. He's neither young nor single, and he's invested too much "Willie equity" into Wpg. not to capitalize on it at this point.

dd · December 30, 2024, 05:33:04 PM

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 30, 2024, 03:59:01 PMWhat I meant is Willie is not going to make a jump to another team in pursuit of a quick GC ring, which could maybe justify him signing with the Argos, but no other teams with better odds of achieving the goal than with the Bombers. He's neither young nor single, and he's invested too much "Willie equity" into Wpg. not to capitalize on it at this point.

Gotcha. Agreed. I think Willie will re-sign with the Bombers and be the emotional leader to us winning the Grey Cup at home in 2025. The thing that's killing me is the slow start to re-signing our FA's, I thought we'd have more pieces in place by now.

theaardvark · December 30, 2024, 05:44:53 PM

How much of the non $SMS promotional money cap do you think they devote to Willie? I'd say quite a bit... and he's not as valueable to other teams for that... so there is that advantage for us.

Blue In BC · December 30, 2024, 07:43:28 PM

Quote from: theaardvark on December 30, 2024, 05:44:53 PMHow much of the non $SMS promotional money cap do you think they devote to Willie? I'd say quite a bit... and he's not as valueable to other teams for that... so there is that advantage for us.

Actually I don't think it's that much. Oliveria and Collaros probably get a large amount of that cash.

theaardvark · December 30, 2024, 10:07:34 PM

Not many Bombers live here year round, you'd think the ones that do get most of that money...

Throw Long Bannatyne · December 30, 2024, 10:32:37 PM

Quote from: Blue In BC on December 30, 2024, 07:43:28 PMActually I don't think it's that much. Oliveria and Collaros probably get a large amount of that cash.

I imagine they get paid promo money for every presser they do, Collaros would be top, Brady second, maybe Demski and Lawler next. A lot of players never step in front of the mike.

Sir Blue and Gold · December 31, 2024, 01:07:29 PM

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 30, 2024, 10:32:37 PMI imagine they get paid promo money for every presser they do, Collaros would be top, Brady second, maybe Demski and Lawler next. A lot of players never step in front of the mike.

They don't get paid for doing pre/post game interviews. It's required.

blue_gold_84 · December 31, 2024, 01:44:07 PM

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on December 31, 2024, 01:07:29 PMThey don't get paid for doing pre/post game interviews. It's required.

Media relations are in the CBA if I'm not mistaken.

Throw Long Bannatyne · December 31, 2024, 03:18:58 PM

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on December 31, 2024, 01:07:29 PMThey don't get paid for doing pre/post game interviews. It's required.

Maybe not on top of their salaries, but wouldn't payment for interviews be considered PR money, thus deducted from their SMS? Other than those interviews I've never heard of Zach doing any promotional work for the team.

TBURGESS · December 31, 2024, 03:20:14 PM

It's just another bucket of money teams can pay players. It's called promo, but it might as well be called bucket 2.

Sir Blue and Gold · December 31, 2024, 07:09:00 PM

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on December 31, 2024, 03:18:58 PMMaybe not on top of their salaries, but wouldn't payment for interviews be considered PR money, thus deducted from their SMS? Other than those interviews I've never heard of Zach doing any promotional work for the team.

Not pre and post game interviews with media. That's not PR money.

For example, Collaros did an autograph signing at the Bombers store in late September which was tied to a non-profit partner. That's sponsorship dollars/promotional work.