The Ford Brothers Discussion

Throw Long Bannatyne · October 10, 2024, 05:02:57 PM

Quote from: Pete on October 10, 2024, 04:24:09 PMHallet has been successfully used at the extra db position on the 3 down set. With Griffin nicked up nick will get reps there as well as safety. I like Kelly at safety hes got good speed and if he shows well could give us a cdn safety next year '(who knows if ford will be here if some team offers him a stupid amt especially to get him and his brother) Which will continue to give us flexibility ration wise.

The needle of indecision continues to move in the direction of the Ford bros. reuniting somewhere in S. Ontario. Hearing rumours of a disgruntled Tre in Edm. and seeing Ty deliver a ball to his ailing and aged father in Hamilton could mean nothing or they could be significant indicators.

Jesse · October 10, 2024, 05:07:29 PM

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 10, 2024, 05:02:57 PMThe needle of indecision continues to move in the direction of the Ford bros. reuniting somewhere in S. Ontario. Hearing rumours of a disgruntled Tre in Edm. and seeing Ty deliver a ball to his ailing and aged father in Hamilton could mean nothing or they could be significant indicators.

I am teetering between rolling my eyes into the back of my head and laughing out loud.

blue_gold_84 · October 10, 2024, 05:19:11 PM

Quote from: Jesse on October 10, 2024, 05:07:29 PMI am teetering between rolling my eyes into the back of my head and laughing out loud.

Isn't Ford starting this week vs. the Stampeders? LOL

Sir Blue and Gold · October 10, 2024, 05:24:20 PM

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on October 10, 2024, 05:19:11 PMIsn't Ford starting this week vs. the Stampeders? LOL

Yes. It's the "We're sorry Tre, don't immediately leave in free agency" start.

blue_gold_84 · October 10, 2024, 05:26:07 PM

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on October 10, 2024, 05:24:20 PMYes. It's the "We're sorry Tre, don't immediately leave in free agency" start.

Touché. LOL

They'd be insane to stick with Bethel-Thompson looking ahead to 2025.

Jesse · October 10, 2024, 05:30:03 PM

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on October 10, 2024, 05:26:07 PMTouché. LOL

They'd be insane to stick with Bethel-Thompson looking ahead to 2025.

But they're obviously not convinced Tre is the guy either. And obviously, the coaching staff may all get the heave-ho as well.

peg_city · October 10, 2024, 05:32:30 PM

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 10, 2024, 05:02:57 PMThe needle of indecision continues to move in the direction of the Ford bros. reuniting somewhere in S. Ontario. Hearing rumours of a disgruntled Tre in Edm. and seeing Ty deliver a ball to his ailing and aged father in Hamilton could mean nothing or they could be significant indicators.

If we lose Ford, we save money. He'll probably end up getting Oliviera money, if he's in the CFL next season.

Bighill salary could go to another pass rusher.

Throw Long Bannatyne · October 10, 2024, 06:04:01 PM

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on October 10, 2024, 05:26:07 PMTouché. LOL

They'd be insane to stick with Bethel-Thompson looking ahead to 2025.

Starting an under-proven Ford over MBT is equally insane. They need to retain and get the best out of both talented QB's, Jarious Jackson has a Zach/Strev combo in his pocket but doesn't think to implement it.

Jesse · October 10, 2024, 06:15:23 PM

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 10, 2024, 06:04:01 PMStarting an under-proven Ford over MBT is equally insane. They need to retain and get the best out of both talented QB's, Jarious Jackson has a Zach/Strev combo in his pocket but doesn't think to implement it.

It's hard to do that mid-season.

Throw Long Bannatyne · October 10, 2024, 06:51:26 PM

Quote from: Jesse on October 10, 2024, 06:15:23 PMIt's hard to do that mid-season.

Ford, BMT and Jackson have been there since the beginning of the season, only Jones has left. When you're losing almost every game it's a good time to try some different ideas.

theaardvark · October 10, 2024, 09:35:57 PM

Would love to see the Ford brothers in Blue and Gold. Not sure how likely that is, both in attracting Tre, and retaining Tyrell.

The Hallett's aren't the first brothers we've had on the team. We had the Muamba's as well. Any others we may have had are before my time...

But it seems like their dynamic would be a good one on the same team.

Lets do it. We could end up starting 12 NATs...

GOLDMEMBER · October 10, 2024, 10:39:33 PM

The Fords getting together to just play together is highly risky with many many variables.

Bombers need to pay Tre what he deserves. He is worth it. If he is smart the remains here the year we host the GC game.

TecnoGenius · October 11, 2024, 05:15:14 AM

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 10, 2024, 05:02:57 PMThe needle of indecision continues to move in the direction of the Ford bros. reuniting somewhere in S. Ontario. Hearing rumours of a disgruntled Tre in Edm. and seeing Ty deliver a ball to his ailing and aged father in Hamilton could mean nothing or they could be significant indicators.

Has there been a single article or video yet that says T & T Ford give 2 poops whether they play together or not? People talk like they've come out and said "we want to play together... or else!".

P.S. Does Tyrell have to pay the $500 for the ball he gave his dad? Does he get to go to jail a la the jumbotron in BC Place

TecnoGenius · October 11, 2024, 05:17:40 AM

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on October 10, 2024, 05:26:07 PMThey'd be insane to stick with Bethel-Thompson looking ahead to 2025.

They'd be insane to roll with Ford as their #1 in 2025. Dude just isn't ready yet, if ever. I'd be livid if KW announces Zach is out next year and Tre Ford is our #1!

EDM would be wise to QB shop in FA: one of the top-5 vets, or Alexander or Powell. If they can't find anyone, MBT signed to a muuuuch cheaper deal so they can hire a better set of talent elsewhere could still spell success.

TecnoGenius · October 11, 2024, 05:18:51 AM

Quote from: peg_city on October 10, 2024, 05:32:30 PMIf we lose Ford, we save money. He'll probably end up getting Oliviera money, if he's in the CFL next season.

Not sure why people keep saying that... Ford already had his NFL stint and it was 1/10th as successful as NAT Boy Wonder Rourke's. If they didn't like Ford then, why would they now? "He's too small" they'll say.

blue_gold_84 · October 11, 2024, 01:09:11 PM

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 10, 2024, 06:04:01 PMStarting an under-proven Ford over MBT is equally insane. They need to retain and get the best out of both talented QB's, Jarious Jackson has a Zach/Strev combo in his pocket but doesn't think to implement it.

It's more of a Great Value/Temu combo, IMO.

Throw Long Bannatyne · October 11, 2024, 04:57:08 PM

Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 11, 2024, 05:15:14 AMHas there been a single article or video yet that says T & T Ford give 2 poops whether they play together or not? People talk like they've come out and said "we want to play together... or else!".

P.S. Does Tyrell have to pay the $500 for the ball he gave his dad? Does he get to go to jail a la the jumbotron in BC Place

If you watch Ed Tait's long form interview with Tyrell the brothers are super close and in fact best friends, they vacation together and talk to each other almost every day, which is probably a crazy twins thing. They've also spent most of their playing careers on the same team right up through college at Waterloo, and according to Tyrell he'd love the opportunity to play with Tre again.

Kyle holds an advantage if he want to bring Tre to Wpg. especially if they win another GC, but it would require much juggling and a few painful decisions for it to ever happen. Zach would also have to promise to exit stage left after 2025.

theaardvark · October 11, 2024, 05:05:47 PM

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 11, 2024, 04:57:08 PMIf you watch Ed Tait's long form interview with Tyrell the brothers are super close and in fact best friends, they vacation together and talk to each other almost every day, which is probably a crazy twins thing. They've also spent most of their playing careers on the same team right up through college at Waterloo, and according to Tyrell he'd love the opportunity to play with Tre again.

Kyle holds an advantage if he want to bring Tre to Wpg. especially if they win another GC, but it would require much juggling and a few painful decisions for it to ever happen. Zach would also have to promise to exit stage left after 2025.

Listening to the interview with Zach after he was traded here, he was ready to "find a real job" then.

I don't think it will be hard to sell Tre on coming here based on Zach "exiting stage left after 2025". I think that writing is on the wall. Especially if that season concludes successfully.

I think adding Tre in would go far to getting Zach through the 2025 season. A offensive package that includes Zach's arm and timing, Tre's legs and a SY basher (Streveler/Wilson) would be amazing. And well worth spending the money on.

Jesse · October 11, 2024, 05:07:28 PM

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 11, 2024, 04:57:08 PMIf you watch Ed Tait's long form interview with Tyrell the brothers are super close and in fact best friends, they vacation together and talk to each other almost every day, which is probably a crazy twins thing. They've also spent most of their playing careers on the same team right up through college at Waterloo, and according to Tyrell he'd love the opportunity to play with Tre again.

Kyle holds an advantage if he want to bring Tre to Wpg. especially if they win another GC, but it would require much juggling and a few painful decisions for it to ever happen. Zach would also have to promise to exit stage left after 2025.

Breaking news: Twin brothers are close friends!

Both will go to the team that pays them the most. It may or may not be for the same team. Tre will have a limited number of options of teams who see him as a starting QB and want to give give a legit opportunity. Tyrell will probably have a pretty big market.

But neither will go to a team that pays them less or won't give them a starting opportunity just because that's where the brother is.

Jesse · October 11, 2024, 05:11:16 PM

Quote from: theaardvark on October 11, 2024, 05:05:47 PMListening to the interview with Zach after he was traded here, he was ready to "find a real job" then.

I don't think it will be hard to sell Tre on coming here based on Zach "exiting stage left after 2015". I think that writing is on the wall. Especially if that season concludes successfully.

I think adding Tre in would go far to getting Zach through the 2025 season. A offensive package that includes Zach's arm and timing, Tre's legs and a SY basher (Streveler/Wilson) would be amazing. And well worth spending the money on.

I was listening to the CFL 110 podcast with Hustler and Jeff Hamilton, and Hamilton made this comment that Tre Ford was "unwilling" to run a short yardage package with the Elks (When MBT was the starter and Chris Jones was coach).

Then I looked back at the stats and he has zero rushing attempts the first 6 weeks.

Sir Blue and Gold · October 11, 2024, 09:01:24 PM

Quote from: Jesse on October 11, 2024, 05:11:16 PMI was listening to the CFL 110 podcast with Hustler and Jeff Hamilton, and Hamilton made this comment that Tre Ford was "unwilling" to run a short yardage package with the Elks (When MBT was the starter and Chris Jones was coach).

Then I looked back at the stats and he has zero rushing attempts the first 6 weeks.

I get not wanting to be pigeonholed into that role but if it's true it's something O'Shea won't be willing to accept in a million years.

dd · October 12, 2024, 02:47:42 AM

Man, could we use Ford out there tonight....Collaros is struggling, what better way to get some momentum back than to put in Ford to run a change of pace offense. He's done it time and again in edmonton, yet they still go with MBT and the great interception machine.

CrazyCanuck89 · October 12, 2024, 02:53:36 PM

Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 11, 2024, 05:17:40 AMThey'd be insane to roll with Ford as their #1 in 2025. Dude just isn't ready yet, if ever. I'd be livid if KW announces Zach is out next year and Tre Ford is our #1!

EDM would be wise to QB shop in FA: one of the top-5 vets, or Alexander or Powell. If they can't find anyone, MBT signed to a muuuuch cheaper deal so they can hire a better set of talent elsewhere could still spell success.

Dude is definitely ready. Next year will be year four. The team plays better with Ford at QB. The touch on the touchdown to Tevin Jones,in the Rider's game says it all.

Throw Long Bannatyne · October 12, 2024, 03:59:13 PM

Quote from: CrazyCanuck89 on October 12, 2024, 02:53:36 PMDude is definitely ready. Next year will be year four. The team plays better with Ford at QB. The touch on the touchdown to Tevin Jones,in the Rider's game says it all.

Everyone in Edmonton is worried about their job next season, not sure anyone has the confidence to anoint Ford as their guy and live with the consequences. Maybe it's up to Geroy to convince both QB's that it's in their best interest to remain with the Elks next season, if I was a new HC coming in that's the option I'd prefer to have available.

TecnoGenius · October 15, 2024, 01:30:24 AM

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 11, 2024, 04:57:08 PMIf you watch Ed Tait's long form interview with Tyrell the brothers are super close and in fact best friends, they vacation together and talk to each other almost every day, which is probably a crazy twins thing. They've also spent most of their playing careers on the same team right up through college at Waterloo, and according to Tyrell he'd love the opportunity to play with Tre again.

Thanks for that, I hadn't seen that interview.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 11, 2024, 04:57:08 PMKyle holds an advantage if he want to bring Tre to Wpg. especially if they win another GC, but it would require much juggling and a few painful decisions for it to ever happen. Zach would also have to promise to exit stage left after 2025.

If Zach was magically gone in 2025, I would give up DB Ford to get Alexander from MTL before going after QB Ford just to have both brothers.

Gadget/running QBs don't win cups in the modern CFL. Guys who know how to make reads from the pocket, maybe with some escapability, do. Zach, Cody, MBT (or Kelly if you think he gets the credit for the GC win).

Maybe Ford finally "gets it" after another couple of years of dev. Maybe. In the meantime you'll be a .500 team... if you're lucky.

The problem for Ford is I think there's finally enough talent in the CFL that no team needs to gamble on Ford like OTT gambled on Dru. And a huge gamble it would be.

To suggest WPG would be in such desperation-ville you'd have to be in to sign & start Ford as your #1 QB is truly bonkers.

TecnoGenius · October 15, 2024, 01:32:22 AM

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on October 11, 2024, 09:01:24 PMI get not wanting to be pigeonholed into that role but if it's true it's something O'Shea won't be willing to accept in a million years.

You bet. "Waaaaah I won't do SY duties waaaaaaaah". MOS/KW: "bye!"

Since Ford has such athleticism, if he was the #2 or #3, I (and maybe MOS) would have him playing ST!! ("waaaaaaaaaaaah!")

Throw Long Bannatyne · October 15, 2024, 02:12:09 AM

Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 15, 2024, 01:32:22 AMYou bet. "Waaaaah I won't do SY duties waaaaaaaah". MOS/KW: "bye!"

Since Ford has such athleticism, if he was the #2 or #3, I (and maybe MOS) would have him playing ST!! ("waaaaaaaaaaaah!")

If Ford refused to do what was asked, that news would be spread between CFL coaching staffs pretty quickly, and O'Shea may not be at all sympathetic to his reasoning.

CrazyCanuck89 · October 16, 2024, 05:14:39 PM

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 12, 2024, 03:59:13 PMEveryone in Edmonton is worried about their job next season, not sure anyone has the confidence to anoint Ford as their guy and live with the consequences. Maybe it's up to Geroy to convince both QB's that it's in their best interest to remain with the Elks next season, if I was a new HC coming in that's the option I'd prefer to have available.

The problem is Geroy has said negative things. What the new owner needs to do is clean house.

Jesse · October 16, 2024, 06:34:48 PM

Quote from: CrazyCanuck89 on October 16, 2024, 05:14:39 PMThe problem is Geroy has said negative things. What the new owner needs to do is clean house.

His job is on the line the same as everyone else.