M. Betts released....signed with BC

[Blueforlife]

If we can improve our DE position and get more pressure on QBs, I would checking out the asking price. Betts would be a nice add at this time of the year.

Haba: 4 games, 3 DTs.
Garbutt: 5 games, 7 DTs, 1 sack.

2023 Betts: 44DTs, 1 St, 18 Sacks, 4 FF.

Too $$$ imo

[Pete]

looks like bc's gone all in with the cup at home ty, cap be damned

[Blue In BC]

looks like bc's gone all in with the cup at home ty, cap be damned

He signed a 1 year deal for the rest of the season. So he may have taken less pro rated to join the team with an expectation of being able to negotiate a bigger deal for 2025 and beyond. We'll see if we get any financial details later, but the Lions only have 7 regular season games left.

Regardless, even Lions fans didn't think they had cap space to sign him after Rourke coming back.

I wonder who gets bumped off the roster?

[bunker]

looks like bc's gone all in with the cup at home ty, cap be damned

Yeah, I think they are willing to pay the money and lose the draft picks if necessary in order to go all in this year. Keep in mind that even after signing Rourke, they are spending roughly what we do on their #1 and #2 QBs, maybe even a bit less. Adams is getting 395,000, and Rourke 250,000 this year (plus what they paid Dolengala until Rourke was signed, which is likely another 50-60,0000), total of about 700,000. Zack is getting 600,000, and Strev 120,000+. Betts is getting 145,000 for the rest of the year. Whoever he replaces was probably getting close to minimum, so only paid out about 45,000 so far this year. That's a total of 190,000 at the DE position, while Willie is making 200,000. I would not be surprised if they go significantly over, but they're not all that different from our salary structure at QB and DE right now.

[The Zipp]

Yeah, I think they are willing to pay the money and lose the draft picks if necessary in order to go all in this year. Keep in mind that even after signing Rourke, they are spending roughly what we do on their #1 and #2 QBs, maybe even a bit less. Adams is getting 395,000, and Rourke 250,000 this year (plus what they paid Dolengala until Rourke was signed, which is likely another 50-60,0000), total of about 700,000. Zack is getting 600,000, and Strev 120,000+. Betts is getting 145,000 for the rest of the year. Whoever he replaces was probably getting close to minimum, so only paid out about 45,000 so far this year. That's a total of 190,000 at the DE position, while Willie is making 200,000. I would not be surprised if they go significantly over, but they're not all that different from our salary structure at QB and DE right now.

If that is their approach and those numbers are accurate I would agree it's a good plan with a home grey cup and the opportunity to capitalize on that.

[gobombersgo]

He signed a 1 year deal for the rest of the season. So he may have taken less pro rated to join the team with an expectation of being able to negotiate a bigger deal for 2025 and beyond. We'll see if we get any financial details later, but the Lions only have 7 regular season games left.

Regardless, even Lions fans didn't think they had cap space to sign him after Rourke coming back.

I wonder who gets bumped off the roster?

Farhan said 145k for 7 games so that would be 372k over a full season. So he didnt take a discount for the remainder of the season.

Also, dont expect any players getting released as a result. The Lions are all in trying to be in the Grey Cup so they are willing to pay the SMS penalties.

[TecnoGenius]

Wow, they must have some fancy adding machine in BC to keep track of their salaries vs the cap, don't know where they are getting the $$$ from but something has to come off the roster for sure...

Don't worry, it's all just "marketing money"!  It's SMS-free!  Yay!  You get a million, you get a million, you all get a million!

Farham says 145k for the 7 games.

If it's really like you said and not 145k pro-rated, then that's sheer and utter lunacy.  Completely bonkers for a DL.  Not justifiable in any world.

After the Rourke signing there is no way BC had any SMS left.  None.  Zero.  They are probably already multi-$100's in the hole, and now they do this?  Remember, they have the 2 H's and some huge-bucks hoggies they need to pay big bucks to.

None of this adds up.

Dunk says there is no marketing money involved.

Yaaaaa, riiiiiiiiiight.  Maybe just doing the BLM "wife no-show gig" then.

I guess anything goes if you're BC in their home GC year!

[gobombersgo]

Don't worry, it's all just "marketing money"!  It's SMS-free!  Yay!  You get a million, you get a million, you all get a million!

If it's really like you said and not 145k pro-rated, then that's sheer and utter lunacy.  Completely bonkers for a DL.  Not justifiable in any world.

After the Rourke signing there is no way BC had any SMS left.  None.  Zero.  They are probably already multi-$100's in the hole, and now they do this?  Remember, they have the 2 H's and some huge-bucks hoggies they need to pay big bucks to.

None of this adds up.

Yaaaaa, riiiiiiiiiight.  Maybe just doing the BLM "wife no-show gig" then.

I guess anything goes if you're BC in their home GC year!

This is what Farhan said:

Lots of talk about the @CFL salary cap:
1. It's a soft cap
2. #BCLions will not be the first team to go over the cap in a year they host the #GreyCup
3. A home playoff game will more than cover the cost of Betts salary & any fine
4. The Lions were tight to the cap before signing Rourke/Betts. So let's say they finish the season 350k over the cap & are also fined a 1st round pick. They'll get at least that back when they trade one of the QBs this off season. Plus they'll get another 2nd round pick for being in the top 2 for snaps played by a 🇨🇦

If I'm Doman/Campbell/McEvoy this is an absolute no brainer.
#BCLions desperately need some pass rushing help & to restore confidence in the room. They've never run from the fact that they're all in. Doman has demonstrated time & again in order to make money in this league you need to spend it. This is what committed ownership looks like🤷🏽�♂️

[TecnoGenius]

Lots of talk about the @CFL salary cap:
1. It's a soft cap
2. #BCLions will not be the first team to go over the cap in a year they host the #GreyCup

What a bunch of hooey to make themselves feel better for crapping all over the cap.  There is a spirit to the cap, and that is that teams ostensibly try to work within it.  Overages due to IRs, etc., are one thing.  Blowing up your cap on purpose by $350k is another!

Yes, teams have gone over before, but I'm not sure by $350k.  Not in recent history, anyway.  Hosting a home GC doesn't give you license to just blow all cap rules!

Isn't BC a "have not team" and receiving equalization payments from us/others?  Ya, how do you square that circle?  Poor BC needs money, yet they'll pay 3-for-1 fines on their overages?  Teams that go over by more than $100k should not get e.q. payments!!

BC is pursuing a course that destroyed SSK for half a decade after their all-in 2013 GC.  Is that really what they want to do?  What if they get beaten (again) by someone in the WDF?

What BC has done here with the Farhan leak is stick their tongue out at the entire league and its tiny rules, showing how they'll work past all of the penalties like DP losses and fines.

It's disgusting.  It was disgusting when they brought in Rourke when everyone knew they were over$$, and it's doubly disgusting now that they brought in Betts for completely unreasonable money.  This isn't just about BC cheating to buy their way to a talent advantage, it's also about stealing talent away from other teams that would have been the high bidder, within the SMS.  This hurts TOR or CGY or EDM or WPG who may have wanted to hire and had a shot at hiring Betts legitimately.

Really harms the image of the league, and I hope Ambrosie speaks out about it.  Otherwise, what's to stop WPG from going $1M over the cap in 2025 to ensure their GC victory??  We have the real, outside-the-sms cash, after all.

[GOLDMEMBER]

Lions all in indeed. That gotta lose draft picks because of this crap?

Lets EE if they experience any turnaround even with pricey Betts back.

[The Zipp]

 No trophies given or parades happening because a team stayed under the cap...just win baby and the rest will sort itself out. 

Betts wanted to return to BC and they figured out a way to make it happen - no issues. 

[Blue In BC]

Farhan said 145k for 7 games so that would be 372k over a full season. So he didnt take a discount for the remainder of the season.

Also, dont expect any players getting released as a result. The Lions are all in trying to be in the Grey Cup so they are willing to pay the SMS penalties.

If that's what he agreed to then that's totally insane. Lions will go over the SMS and accept the fine and / or loss of a draft pick.

Betts is a nice addition but he isn't worth that amount of money. How do they retain him past the end of the year?

YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe Farhan is wrong. I could see the $145K as the amount for a full season with the last 7 games just pro rated from that amount.  I can't see him earning $20K per game for the last 7 games. That's more than any player not a QB???

[blue_gold_84]

A nice but pretty steep acquisition for the Lions.

Not sure how much this helps them, particularly with how their offense has struggled the last month or so.

[Pete]

The over the cap amount PLUS the ridiculous marketing amount paid Rourke truly makes a mockery of the cap, and like most loopholes will be followed by others maybe even mtrl this year.Its not good financially for the league or for parity
Having said that if it was walters we:d all be pumped

[Jesse]

This is what Farhan said:

Lots of talk about the @CFL salary cap:
1. It's a soft cap
2. #BCLions will not be the first team to go over the cap in a year they host the #GreyCup
3. A home playoff game will more than cover the cost of Betts salary & any fine
4. The Lions were tight to the cap before signing Rourke/Betts. So let's say they finish the season 350k over the cap & are also fined a 1st round pick. They'll get at least that back when they trade one of the QBs this off season. Plus they'll get another 2nd round pick for being in the top 2 for snaps played by a 🇨🇦

If I'm Doman/Campbell/McEvoy this is an absolute no brainer.
#BCLions desperately need some pass rushing help & to restore confidence in the room. They've never run from the fact that they're all in. Doman has demonstrated time & again in order to make money in this league you need to spend it. This is what committed ownership looks like🤷🏽�♂️

He's talking in circles. If it's soft cap and teams can just pay out marketing money, then there would be no fines or "going over".

I really don't think he understands what he's talking about.