Coaches show ...

[Jesse]

IMO - they should have released these mistakes days after the game (by the Tuesday after) and posted on social media that they were wrong and even a generic statement about "feedback" given to the officials involved in the decisions.

Ambroise actually seems to think CFL fans are dumb or not worth the time and effort to be up front with them.

This is a quick way to get even less qualified refs on the field, tbh.

Why the shot at Ambrosie and the CFL when no sports league does what you're asking?

[The Zipp]

This is a quick way to get even less qualified refs on the field, tbh.

Why the shot at Ambrosie and the CFL when no sports league does what you're asking?

The NFL does a better job of admitting their mistakes in officiating - more details and more timely...we actually have better processes in regards to challenges and command centre we just aren't closing the loop and that is on Ambrosie.

If MOS hadn't mentioned this - how would we have known?  Was something issued earlier by the CFL?  I might have missed it if there was something but I am pretty on top of CFL news.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Wow.  So... now what.  Say what we all knew to be true already a few weeks later.

That play was the whole game.  Without that play we win that game and are +2 in the standings, not only helping us outright in the W, but also making it easier to xover vs potential 3rd place TOR.  Oh ya, and we also would have still had our challenge and timeout.  What a shambles.

Did the CFL release a public statement or is this MOS passing on confidential material?  Can he get in trouble for it?

I want a public apology like the CFL did last time they robbed us with the CGY "no-end" game.  I also want command center reprimanded, especially since they are now seemingly changing who is running it each week. I'm pretty sure it was Bradbury that night.  Not like Valesi is any better, but I'm not sure I want Valesi adjudicating anything related to our games.

Now... when are they going to apologize for the SSK fake DPIs?

I would be more comfortable hearing the names of unrecognized personnel manning the CC, instead of 2 individuals that have a long history with the CFL and probably no real sense of neutrality towards the existing officials. Wasn't there a reason they were removed from the field?  Neutrality being the key word and not just a perpetual continuation of the old boys network in all aspects of the CFL.

[ModAdmin]

3rdDownNation's take on the CC reviews...

https://3downnation.com/2024/08/13/opinion-its-time-for-cfl-video-review-to-be-greatly-reduced/

[J5V]

Wow.  So... now what.  Say what we all knew to be true already a few weeks later.

That play was the whole game.  Without that play we win that game and are +2 in the standings, not only helping us outright in the W, but also making it easier to xover vs potential 3rd place TOR.  Oh ya, and we also would have still had our challenge and timeout.  What a shambles.

I've been saying it for years. The Toronto Sports Network and the CFL will always always always favour the Argos. It's been that way since I was a kid and that was a very long time ago.

If it's any consolation, we aren't the only team to suffer from Argo bias. All teams have had their turn. When we beat the Argos, savor it.

[TecnoGenius]

3rdDownNation's take on the CC reviews...

Meh.  Bad take.  If you do away with command then you get the NFL situation where the biggest games of all can be completely ruined by a bought-off or incompetent ref on a rogue DPI.  I still remember that SuperBowl a long while back where the worst DPI of absolutely nothing rigged the whole game near the end, and no one could challenge it.  I haven't respected the NFL since.  It's a trash league rigged for Vegas where the spectacle is more important than the integrity.  I don't want the CFL to become the same thing.

I am of the opposite mind: make the game more perfect.  Genius was brought in to add all this great tech.  So let's use it.  Let's make it faster (the main gripe) and easier to get more calls perfect.  More cameras, more eyeballs, more tech, more Aards laserbeams, more instant and automatic "making things right".  The key is to achieve this while upping the pace of the game.  They make it sound like they are mutually exclusive.  They don't have to be.

I'm glad to see their last point: have the same dude/dudette running command every week.  Didn't it used to be Ireland was always the guy?  And wasn't it 100% Bradbury last season?  Ya, rotating with Valesi who is a on-field ref some weeks is just dumb.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

I'm fine with it as it is. I'd be okay if they got rid of the ticky tack roughing the passer challenges though. Did a hand graze the helmet? Was it forceable? 

[bomb squad]

I don't like the 3-down take. Not even going to bother addressing anything in it. Off the mark by a mile.

I think they're on the right track with the review process. It's not a perfect science and never will be. Just need to keep tweaking it, working on consistency, and improving it. 

I'll keep saying it though, I think the CFL would be well-served by being more transparent with their officiating process. They're still afraid for some reason. Really, I don't think they have anything to lose.

I'd like to see them work with TSN to do a feature on how the Command Center operates. How do they come to a decision? Who is involved in the decision? What are their credentials? I'm sure the head CC ref doesn't work in isolation when coming to a decision. I think that would be interesting and helpful to all. 

[Pete]

what id like to see in the meantime is the officials giving a more comprehensive explanation of the command center decision ie  the ruling on the field stands vs there is no interference as the defenders action had no impact on the receiver's ability to catch the ball. or the defender arrived at the same time as the ball.
 Even if its given to the tsn booth much as they are likely currently giving the coaches an explanation,,,or should be.
It certainly shouldnt take 5 or 6 days to do so as it is now
(and would also not subject us to Suitors explanation as he sees it)

[bomb squad]

I have to wonder too if the admission on the Demski call came after the overturned non dpi call against Ottawa in OT 1 of the OTT/SSK game. Perhaps they felt they had to admit the Demski mistake because that ruling was obviously inconsistent with the overturn standard used in the OTT/SSK game? Likely not, but still makes me wonder a bit. Or, do they admit they were both wrong?

[J5V]

what id like to see in the meantime is the officials giving a more comprehensive explanation of the command center decision ie  the ruling on the field stands vs there is no interference as the defenders action had no impact on the receiver's ability to catch the ball. or the defender arrived at the same time as the ball.
 Even if its given to the tsn booth much as they are likely currently giving the coaches an explanation,,,or should be.
It certainly shouldnt take 5 or 6 days to do so as it is now
(and would also not subject us to Suitors explanation as he sees it)

To his credit, Suitor did say that he didn't understand the calls and that there was no DPI there against the Bombers.

[TecnoGenius]

To his credit, Suitor did say that he didn't understand the calls and that there was no DPI there against the Bombers.

Yes, Suitor (or whoever was doing the game) did agree with me & the fanbase on most of the horrifically bad calls coming out of command this season.  Ya, he's been wrong in the past, but doing ok this year.

The calls were literally so bad that even Suits could recognize them as duds!

[TecnoGenius]

I have to wonder too if the admission on the Demski call came after the overturned non dpi call against Ottawa in OT 1 of the OTT/SSK game. Perhaps they felt they had to admit the Demski mistake because that ruling was obviously inconsistent with the overturn standard used in the OTT/SSK game? Likely not, but still makes me wonder a bit. Or, do they admit they were both wrong?

Could be.  I had stopped getting mad by that point but I made the same mental note that "hey, isn't this the opposite of what you did in our various games?".

Maybe MOS sent them some film showing the similarities and the league was forced to clarify the standard, and thus admit wrongdoing?

Me waiting for the league to officially say something about our botched calls:

[TecnoGenius]

They always say they want more explanations from command but they don't want them because it will slow the game down.

Ok, so do this:

Do what they're currently doing, but immediately put the extra details and clarification and justification into a cfl.ca page (game tracker?) as fast as they can (within 3-5 mins after relaying the call to the official?).

Voila, we all get more detail in realtime and not a second of delay was added to the game.  Everyone's happy.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Yes, Suitor (or whoever was doing the game) did agree with me & the fanbase on most of the horrifically bad calls coming out of command this season.  Ya, he's been wrong in the past, but doing ok this year.

The calls were literally so bad that even Suits could recognize them as duds!

Don't be surprised if Glenn Suitor is listed in those the CFL chooses to fine this coming week!