Coaches show ...

[The Zipp]

Anyone listen and care to summarize?

[Jesse]

I'll probably listen tomorrow if you can be patient, lol.

[ichabod_crane]

I see in my crystal ball Mike O'Shea saying.....WE ARE PROGRESSING EACH GAME!

Think they are on the verge of falling down a slope soon if something not shaken up! I was optimistic to last weekend they could flip this season around, but something is DEFINITELY off with this team on offence especially all this season. No more just taking to to gel or shaking the rust off. That won't cut it anymore!   Thankfully Stamps sucking too and Bombers still in the playoff hunt. Could have beaten BC last home game and even on the road in Sask. Close but no cigar and a string of losses does not give me a lot of optimism. Up to the lads to shake the trees and get off the schneid once and for all already!!

[TecnoGenius]

Best show in a long time.  Here's the TLDR; longer Tecno breakdown:

- Don't panic

- Be urgent (that's a thin line of distinction!)

- DT pointing out how we have some winnable matchups later in the year, MOS silent (to the shock of no one)

- Won't speak to the Demski DPI/challenge vis a vis league opinion: league hasn't told him squat yet

- MOS says watch the earlier contact on the legs of Demski on the DPI and more twisting

- Full confidence in Buck.  We do play double TE.  We like the EZ corner fade even though it worked only once this season

- Lucky?  He's available, it's a closed practice, make your own guess

- Rourke?  MOS says he's good enough to stay down south

- The FG/gamble question: wanting to bleed more clock, worried about Grant, worried about a deep pass DPI, WFC always leads the league in 1Y sneak

- Demski mauling in the EZ in OT... he says it's not IC because the ball had been thrown.  I'm not positive on this one, but the angles provided don't show exactly when the ball left Zach.  I thought it was deducible it had not left, but I could be wrong

- MOS goes against what he said in post-game presser and now says he'll "always" go for it on 1Y gamble every time again.  He'd do it again in the same scenario.  "Trust the OL and Strev".  "Always [...] choose not to give the ball back" (in similar SY scenarios).  Yay MOS!  He 100% matches his previous stance and all my recent comments.  I'm in full agreement.  Be bold and keep control

- Sheed: "sure Kyle" has talked to him.  It's Sheeds b-day!

- Short weeks: get rest, give them "just enough" (new stuff?), they want to prove something after a loss


!!!!!!!!
DT spotted a good one!  4Q1:38 Dinwiddie calls timeout... but he has no timeouts left because a couple of plays earlier, well inside the 3 min warning, he had a failed challenge!  Refs stop the game, clearly hand-signalling and whistling and announcing "timeout TOR" and bottle-jockeys come on to water the TOR players.

Calling a TO when you have no TO left is normally a delay of game penalty and the 2nd & long Brady run turns into a free 1st down 10Y closer.  Then we may not be in the Strev gamble situation at all, or the calculus changes because we're even closer for a FG try.

Strangely enough, I can't find this specified anywhere in the rule book.  The only thing close is about throwing a challenge when you are lacking the proper ammo.  Still I think DT is right and if you call a TO without one you also get DoG.

Rule 10 - Replay
Section 6 - Misc
If a coach challenges when not having a challenge / timeout and the game is stopped as a result a delay of game penalty will be assessed.  (10Y)

So I went back to the 3 min warning to see what the TOs actually do, since DT and MOS agreed you usually lose 1 if you still have 2.  And the TSN/stadium screens should reflect that.  Oddly enough, WPG's stayed the same at 1 TO, but TOR's still showed 2 TO right up to when TOR challenged at 4Q2:18.  Then during the challenge TSN changes the chyron to show TOR only has 1 TO!  Doh... they realized their mistake.  Then when command announces the verdict, they (correctly) set TOR to 0 TOs.

At 4Q1:38 TOR then calls a TO that they clearly do not have.  A few seconds after that  there are 2 more strange whistles that don't usually occur.  They are not the blow-in whistle.  I think this is the refs realizing their mistake and trying to fix it.  However, DT is right: it shouldn't matter if the refs correct Dinwiddie... by the simple act of him calling for a TO they should be penalized.  This ref AND command mistake may have also cost us the game.  So many little things all game and if any single one goes our way we win, yet they all went against us.

Nerd DT and nerd Tecno would get along real well, methinks.

[The Zipp]

The league should have to explain what happened with the phantom time out. 

Ambrosie has failed to instill any sort of open communication and accountability.  The biggest football league in the world admits when they err - CFL just hides and hopes nobody notices. 

[bomb squad]

Yup. There's that culture of secrecy and  "it's none of your business" on full display again. When they realized their mistake they should have blown the whistle and explained that Toronto did not have a time out after all and therefore the clock will start when play is whistled in again. That's what the microphone is for and the game is for the fans.

[tlf]

Best show in a long time.  Here's the TLDR; longer Tecno breakdown:

- Don't panic

- Be urgent (that's a thin line of distinction!)

- DT pointing out how we have some winnable matchups later in the year, MOS silent (to the shock of no one)

- Won't speak to the Demski DPI/challenge vis a vis league opinion: league hasn't told him squat yet

- MOS says watch the earlier contact on the legs of Demski on the DPI and more twisting

- Full confidence in Buck.  We do play double TE.  We like the EZ corner fade even though it worked only once this season

- Lucky?  He's available, it's a closed practice, make your own guess

- Rourke?  MOS says he's good enough to stay down south

- The FG/gamble question: wanting to bleed more clock, worried about Grant, worried about a deep pass DPI, WFC always leads the league in 1Y sneak

- Demski mauling in the EZ in OT... he says it's not IC because the ball had been thrown.  I'm not positive on this one, but the angles provided don't show exactly when the ball left Zach.  I thought it was deducible it had not left, but I could be wrong

- MOS goes against what he said in post-game presser and now says he'll "always" go for it on 1Y gamble every time again.  He'd do it again in the same scenario.  "Trust the OL and Strev".  "Always [...] choose not to give the ball back" (in similar SY scenarios).  Yay MOS!  He 100% matches his previous stance and all my recent comments.  I'm in full agreement.  Be bold and keep control

- Sheed: "sure Kyle" has talked to him.  It's Sheeds b-day!

- Short weeks: get rest, give them "just enough" (new stuff?), they want to prove something after a loss


!!!!!!!!
DT spotted a good one!  4Q1:38 Dinwiddie calls timeout... but he has no timeouts left because a couple of plays earlier, well inside the 3 min warning, he had a failed challenge!  Refs stop the game, clearly hand-signalling and whistling and announcing "timeout TOR" and bottle-jockeys come on to water the TOR players.

Calling a TO when you have no TO left is normally a delay of game penalty and the 2nd & long Brady run turns into a free 1st down 10Y closer.  Then we may not be in the Strev gamble situation at all, or the calculus changes because we're even closer for a FG try.

Strangely enough, I can't find this specified anywhere in the rule book.  The only thing close is about throwing a challenge when you are lacking the proper ammo.  Still I think DT is right and if you call a TO without one you also get DoG.

Rule 10 - Replay
Section 6 - Misc
If a coach challenges when not having a challenge / timeout and the game is stopped as a result a delay of game penalty will be assessed.  (10Y)

So I went back to the 3 min warning to see what the TOs actually do, since DT and MOS agreed you usually lose 1 if you still have 2.  And the TSN/stadium screens should reflect that.  Oddly enough, WPG's stayed the same at 1 TO, but TOR's still showed 2 TO right up to when TOR challenged at 4Q2:18.  Then during the challenge TSN changes the chyron to show TOR only has 1 TO!  Doh... they realized their mistake.  Then when command announces the verdict, they (correctly) set TOR to 0 TOs.

At 4Q1:38 TOR then calls a TO that they clearly do not have.  A few seconds after that  there are 2 more strange whistles that don't usually occur.  They are not the blow-in whistle.  I think this is the refs realizing their mistake and trying to fix it.  However, DT is right: it shouldn't matter if the refs correct Dinwiddie... by the simple act of him calling for a TO they should be penalized.  This ref AND command mistake may have also cost us the game.  So many little things all game and if any single one goes our way we win, yet they all went against us.

Nerd DT and nerd Tecno would get along real well, methinks.

You def would get along with DT!

My eye opening moment of the show along with him chatting nicely with the older gentlemen (I love that!), was him saying he likes the guys he already has..in response to bringing in Bailey.  I don't know if that means he doesn't want to, or he's trying to brush off the question, but I was a bit discouraged by that.  I'd love Rasheed in just for his energy alone..and his blocking.

It was a great show last night.

[Jesse]

Best show in a long time.  Here's the TLDR; longer Tecno breakdown:

- Don't panic

- Be urgent (that's a thin line of distinction!)

- DT pointing out how we have some winnable matchups later in the year, MOS silent (to the shock of no one)

- Won't speak to the Demski DPI/challenge vis a vis league opinion: league hasn't told him squat yet

- MOS says watch the earlier contact on the legs of Demski on the DPI and more twisting

- Full confidence in Buck.  We do play double TE.  We like the EZ corner fade even though it worked only once this season

- Lucky?  He's available, it's a closed practice, make your own guess

- Rourke?  MOS says he's good enough to stay down south

- The FG/gamble question: wanting to bleed more clock, worried about Grant, worried about a deep pass DPI, WFC always leads the league in 1Y sneak

- Demski mauling in the EZ in OT... he says it's not IC because the ball had been thrown.  I'm not positive on this one, but the angles provided don't show exactly when the ball left Zach.  I thought it was deducible it had not left, but I could be wrong

- MOS goes against what he said in post-game presser and now says he'll "always" go for it on 1Y gamble every time again.  He'd do it again in the same scenario.  "Trust the OL and Strev".  "Always [...] choose not to give the ball back" (in similar SY scenarios).  Yay MOS!  He 100% matches his previous stance and all my recent comments.  I'm in full agreement.  Be bold and keep control

- Sheed: "sure Kyle" has talked to him.  It's Sheeds b-day!

- Short weeks: get rest, give them "just enough" (new stuff?), they want to prove something after a loss

Techno broke it down pretty well.

- on the match-ups later in the season, DT pointed out that we're one win behind Calgary, who we have the season series with already, and then after the Banjo Bowl, we have two bye weeks, have three games against Edmonton and Hamilton, and play Montreal in the final game, who may be resting starters at that point.

- On Rasheed. MOS does say that Walters has reached out to the agent, but pours a lot of cold water on the prospect. Repeats he likes our guys. The caller specifically brought up Rasheed's blocking, but MOS says Clercius is big and strong and shouts out Johnson for throwing his little body around with a passion. Also brings up that it would be tough from a roster management perspective with injured guys eventually coming back.

[dd]

Ya, Bailey is not coming back to Wpg...MOS sticks with 'his guys', thats the way he's always been

[Pete]

Ya, Bailey is not coming back to Wpg...MOS sticks with 'his guys', thats the way he's always been

Hes happy with the guys we got and hes not going to admit hes wrong. Despite Johnson having done virtually nothing in 5 games, wheatfall also did zip in his limited use. Clerius shows promise but hes not at the level of Bailey yet, Bailey was also used to diversify running game.

[TecnoGenius]

Ya, Bailey is not coming back to Wpg...MOS sticks with 'his guys', thats the way he's always been

You have to always read around what MOS actually says.  There's certain things he'll always do that are kind of lies / kind of not.  One of these is "I like the group we have"... that never should be read as "we're not looking at Bailey": in fact he came right out and said he's bets KW has reached out!

But it's not a lie because he does like his group.  And kind of a lie because even if he didn't, he'd still say it because he's that kind of leader who will never throw a guy under the bus.

Now, when you should take careful note is when he goes out of his way to say something different and beyond what his normal platitudes are.  He's said he REALLY likes this group and it's the strongest group of rookies maybe ever.  THAT should make you pay attention and believe that at the very least he's not lying that indeed he (at least) likes this group.

[Nic16]

Hes happy with the guys we got and hes not going to admit hes wrong. Despite Johnson having done virtually nothing in 5 games, wheatfall also did zip in his limited use. Clerius shows promise but hes not at the level of Bailey yet, Bailey was also used to diversify running game.

3 catches for 111 yds in his 1st game before getting getting injured is far better than "zip".

Clercius and a guy like Wheatfall could be groomed for Bailey's role. But with that said, I think Bailey would be a bigger help to the O right now.

[Jesse]

3 catches for 111 yds in his 1st game before getting getting injured is far better than "zip".

Clercius and a guy like Wheatfall could be groomed for Bailey's role. But with that said, I think Bailey would be a bigger help to the O right now.

Wheatfall made one catch in broken coverage and ran a terrible route that kept him from getting in the end zone. I'm not saying he can't be good, but that one play didn't show much to me. He's definitely neutral in my mind right now.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

3 catches for 111 yds in his 1st game before getting getting injured is far better than "zip".

Clercius and a guy like Wheatfall could be groomed for Bailey's role. But with that said, I think Bailey would be a bigger help to the O right now.

I think moving Lucky onto the roster spells the end of Bailey coming back, they had enough time to consider a switchover and for whatever reason decided to stick with Lucky.  I would have preferred Bailey for his much needed contribution but didn't really expect it to materialize with so much water under the bridge.

[Waffler]

Demski is in touch with Bailey and he says:

"I talk to Sheed," he acknowledged. "He's in a place where he's trying to figure it out right now. I don't really know where his head's at. I know he wants to play football. I also know that he has a lot of figuring out to do. I'm going to give him space.
"At the same time, it would be sweet to see him put the jersey over the pads again."