Why is command upholding horrible calls?

J5V · July 29, 2024, 10:57:53 PM

I've been a Bomber fan since my first blue and gold game when I was a wee lad some 60 years ago. One opinion I'd like to share with my fellow Bomber fans is that we have suffered at the hands of bad officiating many times before but without doubt the two absolutely worse teams for us to get screwed against are, in the West, Saskatchewan, and in the East, Toronto. It has happened with other teams too but those are the worst. That has been my experience in watching this team over the years and it's not that I have some kind of bias against either one of those cities -- I actually like Saskatchewan and have many friends there. They have always treated me well. I have lived and worked in Toronto for many years and also have many friends there. But this born and bred Winnipeg boy knows when it comes to those two teams ... watch out!

BBFANDM · July 30, 2024, 03:29:31 AM

If the CC isn't willing to overturn calls then you may as well dispand the CC and go back to the way it was. I would rather live with the original call than wait 5 minutes to found out the CC isn't willing to do their jobs

ichabod_crane · July 30, 2024, 04:56:00 AM

Quote from: J5V on July 29, 2024, 10:57:53 PMI've been a Bomber fan since my first blue and gold game when I was a wee lad some 60 years ago. One opinion I'd like to share with my fellow Bomber fans is that we have suffered at the hands of bad officiating many times before but without doubt the two absolutely worse teams for us to get screwed against are, in the West, Saskatchewan, and in the East, Toronto. It has happened with other teams too but those are the worst. That has been my experience in watching this team over the years and it's not that I have some kind of bias against either one of those cities -- I actually like Saskatchewan and have many friends there. They have always treated me well. I have lived and worked in Toronto for many years and also have many friends there. But this born and bred Winnipeg boy knows when it comes to those two teams ... watch out!

Don't forget those Esks in the 1970's and 1980's who ALWAYS seemed to get the calls no matter what team they played. No replay challenges/reviews back then either. Once hosed you could do nothing about it except whine after the game. 1981 GC and 1982 Western final were total hose jobs by officiating of teams vs Edmonton in that era.

TecnoGenius · July 30, 2024, 11:29:23 AM

Quote from: dd on July 29, 2024, 05:48:18 PMI don't think MOS's challenge vs Calgary had anything to do with the bogus calls made in Regina or Toronto. Just coincidence. Refs make bad calls all the time, we've just had some doozies go against us. The one on Demski was close, it wasn't overly bad, just the call didn't go our way and they scored a TD on the play which makes it sting all the more.

Taken in isolation, maybe you could argue that. But after the SSK game where basically nothing but being in a hip pocket got us flagged for DPI -- TWICE! -- it's hard to swallow what every fan in the league knows is DPI being called AND REVIEWED as non-DPI!

TecnoGenius · July 30, 2024, 11:31:23 AM

Quote from: RebusRankin on July 29, 2024, 08:55:17 PMCC is just incompetent, no explanation and its getting worse.
Reffing is also incompetent and its getting worse too.

Yes, this isn't just command. The refs have been botching on-field calls at a far higher rate this season (so far). I don't know if it's refs being too green, or maybe even too old (like #22), or bad contact lenses... but reffing is costing us a lot more yards, points and games this year compared to last.

If command is almost never going to overturn subjective calls, then it's even more critical the on-field refs get things right!

Very frustrating.

TecnoGenius · July 30, 2024, 11:36:48 AM

I will add one thing to those saying command should ignore/throwaway the call on the field and then make the right call, instead of "upholding"/"overturning" the on-field call (kind of devil's advocate here):

The assumption must be that the on-field refs can see more than command can see. Let's admit it: the TSN/CFL camera coverage is pretty weak compared to the NFL. Not often a lot of eyes on every critical player/play.

Maybe what needs to occur is command doesn't work in isolation but has to directly argue/confirm with the ref(s) who saw the play / threw the flag. Right now it's like: ref X throws his flag ("DPI") then command does its thing without saying "hey X tell us what you saw... we didn't see it that way... are you sure you saw Y... we have an angle that says Y didn't occur... if Y didn't occur would you retract your flag...".

I know they are on headset to the head ref, but I don't think each peon ref chats with command. For this to work in a timely manner, every single official would have to have a headset at all times.

Throw Long Bannatyne · July 30, 2024, 12:07:10 PM

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 30, 2024, 11:36:48 AMI will add one thing to those saying command should ignore/throwaway the call on the field and then make the right call, instead of "upholding"/"overturning" the on-field call (kind of devil's advocate here):

The assumption must be that the on-field refs can see more than command can see. Let's admit it: the TSN/CFL camera coverage is pretty weak compared to the NFL. Not often a lot of eyes on every critical player/play.

Maybe what needs to occur is command doesn't work in isolation but has to directly argue/confirm with the ref(s) who saw the play / threw the flag. Right now it's like: ref X throws his flag ("DPI") then command does its thing without saying "hey X tell us what you saw... we didn't see it that way... are you sure you saw Y... we have an angle that says Y didn't occur... if Y didn't occur would you retract your flag...".

I know they are on headset to the head ref, but I don't think each peon ref chats with command. For this to work in a timely manner, every single official would have to have a headset at all times.

The other thing is the official does not always see the play in question in it's entirety and has to make a split second ruling to keep the game moving along. How often is that decision a wild-*** guess because their eyes were focused elsewhere, which is completely understandable with so much action going on.

An assertive call is a good bluff to save face among fellow officials and supervisors and suggests competence, it's human nature not to want to be exposed. So in many cases CC is confirming a wild-*** guess in order to support the personnel's on field bluff.

TBURGESS · July 30, 2024, 02:19:33 PM

The CC should never overturn SUBJECTIVE calls. They are there to overturn OBVIOUS mistakes.

TecnoGenius · July 31, 2024, 09:40:19 AM

Quote from: TBURGESS on July 30, 2024, 02:19:33 PMThe CC should never overturn SUBJECTIVE calls. They are there to overturn OBVIOUS mistakes.

Then CC cannot overturn DPI ever again. And hey, that's kind of what they've been doing!

Junkie: how many DPIs have been overturned (either direction, and each direction) this season? I have a funny feeling called-DPIs have almost never been overturned this season.

TBURGESS · July 31, 2024, 02:48:37 PM

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 31, 2024, 09:40:19 AMThen CC cannot overturn DPI ever again. And hey, that's kind of what they've been doing!

Junkie: how many DPIs have been overturned (either direction, and each direction) this season? I have a funny feeling called-DPIs have almost never been overturned this season.

Of course they can overturn DPI's, when they are OBVIOUS mistakes. Note that OBVIOUS doesn't mean to the fans. (FTR: I would have called DPI on the Demski pick 6)