Zero emission by 2035 in Canada

[Pigskin]

Yeah, squeezing amps out of old panels can be tough, although with the energy efficiencies of LEDs now, in my store we were able to add a lot by saving over 100 amps in lighting alone.  Your condo might look at combining some of the outdoor lighting into fewer circuits, thus freeing up some spots in the panel. 

If its coming out of your personal panel which is full, again, lighting circuits were set up based on 6 or 7 light fixtures tops, but with LED lights, they can serve 15 or more on a single 15 amp breaker.  You should be able to gang some of those circuits onto fewer breakers, and free up the 2 spots you need for a 240 level 3 charger.

The cost comes in the cabling, copper is ridiculous. I've seen guys put in a box to convert to aluminum for the run to the charger, costs extra for the box, but saves a ton on the cable if its over a 100' run.

 

These are all good ideas and have already been done in this building. The extra power from the interior/exterior lighting upgrade went to the new AC/heating splits. The point was, most people will not be able to afford the upgrades require to install a level 2 charging system at $1500 to $2000. We were lucky we have 2 under ground parking spots each having a dedicated 15 amp break. So, our permit allowed us to upgrade the wiring, and change out the breaker.

[Blueforlife]

Zero emissions is much bigger than just vehicles, will take a considerable effort to get the most poluting industries on board.  I hope we can for the next generations quality of life.  We have killed the earth for too long, change is way overdue but people don't like change.

[markf]

Canada is a laggard in the transition. Too bad, since it is happening rapidly in other parts of the world. Africa may be skipping from not much power generation straight to renewable with Chinese products.

Harper was right.... China is "stealing" our jobs. He just had the wrong jobs.  Our future jobs in renewable.

It's a shame cause we have everything needed to do it here.

Course they're not "stealing" them. They're just smarter than us. We're giving it to them by doing nothing.

BYD cars... they have passed the stringent European safety tests with high marks. They are well made. They are inexpensive. We can not buy them. Yet.

"BYD's new Sealion 05 EV is finally here, and it's even better than expected. The mass-market electric SUV is loaded with BYD's "God's Eye" smart driving tech, has up to 323 miles of driving range, and starts at just around $16,000. It even has a built-in refrigerator."

https://electrek.co/2025/03/25/byds-sealion-05-ev-electric-suv-cheaper-than-it-looks/

Little stuff here and there B.C. ordered some electric ferries. Made in China.

"BC Ferries CEO Nicholas Jimenez says the decision to go overseas was about getting "the best deal for British Columbians and getting the best deal for BC Ferries.""

Harbour air Victoria is switching to electric planes..... American made.

While Alberta makes it more difficult to build renewable.

[blue_or_die]

Yeah, squeezing amps out of old panels can be tough, although with the energy efficiencies of LEDs now, in my store we were able to add a lot by saving over 100 amps in lighting alone.  Your condo might look at combining some of the outdoor lighting into fewer circuits, thus freeing up some spots in the panel. 

If its coming out of your personal panel which is full, again, lighting circuits were set up based on 6 or 7 light fixtures tops, but with LED lights, they can serve 15 or more on a single 15 amp breaker.  You should be able to gang some of those circuits onto fewer breakers, and free up the 2 spots you need for a 240 level 3 charger.

The cost comes in the cabling, copper is ridiculous. I've seen guys put in a box to convert to aluminum for the run to the charger, costs extra for the box, but saves a ton on the cable if its over a 100' run.

 

My coworker has a Model 3 and creatively got around this by running a 240 plug through a hole he drilled and backfilled in a basement window sill to his laundry room conveniently located next to his driveway a wall away. He put in a switcher so the drier and charger won't supply in parallel and trip the breaker.

He has an electrical background and was able to do this safely. Can't speak to that or oversimplify but I thought it was a creative solution.

[J5V]

Regarding EVs, I'll wait for the guinea pigs to see how healthy it is to be sitting on humongous lithium batteries for extended periods of time.

If everyone suddenly had EVs and were charging them overnight the grid would be overwhelmed and would require a massive investment in infrastructure. Who's paying for that? People can't afford to eat and pay rent. Seems bizarre to be even talking about this now.

[blue_or_die]

Regarding EVs, I'll wait for the guinea pigs to see how healthy it is to be sitting on humongous lithium batteries for extended periods of time.

If everyone suddenly had EVs and were charging them overnight the grid would be overwhelmed and would require a massive investment in infrastructure. Who's paying for that? People can't afford to eat and pay rent. Seems bizarre to be even talking about this now.

What do you expect to come from sitting over batteries?

[blue_gold_84]

What do you expect to come from sitting over batteries?

Certainly not the same stuff emitted from ICE vehicles...

[J5V]

What do you expect to come from sitting over batteries?

We're not talking about little batteries here. These things are humongous and the direct effects of magnetic fields/EMF from lithium batteries on the human body are not well-documented, hence my use of the term "guinea pigs". We simply don't know. The WHO is concerned about it though ... Radiation-Electromagnetic-fields The current debate is centred on whether long-term low level exposure can evoke biological responses and influence people's well being.

Certainly not the same stuff emitted from ICE vehicles...

EVs actually have a higher initial carbon footprint than ICEVs due to the energy-intensive battery manufacturing process. Lithium mining is nasty business.

It is a strange thing to drive by and see EVs plugged into a charging station being fed by diesel generators.

[blue_gold_84]

EVs actually have a higher initial carbon footprint than ICEVs due to the energy-intensive battery manufacturing process. Lithium mining is nasty business.

The initial footprint claim, while valid, pretty much goes out the window when data consistently demonstrates that ICE vehicles contribute a comparatively larger footprint over time compared to EVs. More info: https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/electric-vehicles-contribute-fewer-emissions-than-gasoline-powered-cars-over-their-lifetimes/



Oil and gas extraction is just as nasty a business, and that's been well documented over several decades now.

[J5V]

The initial footprint claim, while valid, pretty much goes out the window when data consistently demonstrates that ICE vehicles contribute a comparatively larger footprint over time compared to EVs. More info: https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/electric-vehicles-contribute-fewer-emissions-than-gasoline-powered-cars-over-their-lifetimes/

Oil and gas extraction is just as nasty a business, and that's been well documented over several decades now.

The initial footprint claim is valid as the graph shows and doesn't go out the window, lol. What the graph doesn't account for, and why I alluded to the diesel charging stations, is where is that electricity coming from to charge these EVs? Are we burning diesel, gas, and/or coal to charge these EVs? If we all started driving EVs solar and/or wind isn't going to meet the demand and I'm not seeing any nuclear plants (that take decades to build) going up.

[J5V]

Oil and gas extraction is just as nasty a business, and that's been well documented over several decades now.

This is absolutely true and I've seen the dead waterfowl floating in the toxic oil sand tailings ponds. For now though, I believe oil still has a role to play in the energy sector.

I have LIFEPO4 batteries and solar panels/chargers in and on my boat. I'm not against alternative energy sources of which my favorite is hydrogen, but we have put the cart ahead of the horse on the EV front. We need massive investment in electrical infrastructure before we can roll out EVs to everyone and it needed to be completed years ago.

[blue_gold_84]

The initial footprint claim is valid as the graph shows and doesn't go out the window, lol. What the graph doesn't account for...

It says right in the graph near the top: Emissions are based on the average electricity mix in the United States.

As for Canada, we're probably in a more enviable position considering almost 60% of our electricity comes from hydroelectricity, and nearly 80% comes from sources other than oil & gas: https://www.iea.org/countries/canada/electricity

[blue_or_die]

We're not talking about little batteries here. These things are humongous and the direct effects of magnetic fields/EMF from lithium batteries on the human body are not well-documented, hence my use of the term "guinea pigs". We simply don't know. The WHO is concerned about it though ... Radiation-Electromagnetic-fields The current debate is centred on whether long-term low level exposure can evoke biological responses and influence people's well being.

Batteries do not emit strong electromagnetic fields, though. Do you have a source that legitimately points out this type of risk with LIBs? I've never heard of anything like this and I work in the field.

The WHO link just says that EM is a risk, which is true, but does not tie in to batteries. Perhaps you posted the wrong url?

[blue_or_die]

It is a strange thing to drive by and see EVs plugged into a charging station being fed by diesel generators.

Where is this the case, though? With the exception of some experimental chargers, every charger I've encountered has been hardwired to mains power.

[markf]

My spidey sense detects an Albertan in the thread.

🙂

Re hydrogen

https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Hydroelectric/What-Happened-to-the-Green-Hydrogen-Boom.html


Advances in battery tech are happening rapidly... solid state batteries are coming in a few years.

Mercedes : "The solid-state battery in the EQS-based vehicle allows for up to 25 % more driving range compared to the same battery weight and size of a corresponding standard EQS battery. Further weight and energy efficiency is achieved through passive battery cooling. The development vehicle is expected to have a range of over 1,000 km (620 miles)"


Battery swap. Battery storage. Electrification of trucks, heavy equipment. Planes. Green Steel factories. Green cement. Peaking power plants.

It's all coming. We should get in on it.