Riders at TiCats GDT

[GOLDMEMBER]

GO TABBIES GO!!!!!

I?d like to see a repeat of there last game against the BB

Go Fajardo Go LOl

[GOLDMEMBER]

Cody cannot find the open receiver sack!

[The Zipp]

Darn.  That will be PI

[The Zipp]

Wow. 

How is that not PI??

[The Zipp]

And Dane serves up a duck

[The Zipp]

Stupid big play belt...

[The Zipp]

How did we lose to Hamilton???

These teams STINK!!

[Pete]

How can a team get behind a quaterback like Dane Evans who continually shoots his team and himself in the foot

[Knocker42]

How did Evans throw 5 TDs against Wpg.  There should be an inquiry!
The guy is brutal tonight!

[The Zipp]

It was worth it just to hear Andre make that call. 

Pure gold !!

[Horseman]

That 1st half ending was FUBAR'd by Proulx, Ham did touch the ball after the Sask kicked it, the Sask kicker does not have to give 5 yards but the other Sask players do, which they did not. It should have been Ham ball and they would have kicked a FG.

[The Zipp]

Now Andre is just making up calls I have never heard before. 

"Closing the line..."

Thanks for clarifying Duane...means no end. 

[BlueInCgy]

The only thing more brutal than this game is listening to the Riders play by play guys because TSN doesn?t play well with my VPN?.they may actually be worse than the Riders

[Jesse]

The only thing more brutal than this game is listening to the Riders play by play guys because TSN doesn?t play well with my VPN?.they may actually be worse than the Riders

That just sounds gross.

[pjrocksmb]

Enjoying this game

[Sergio105]

How did we lose to Hamilton???

These teams STINK!!

I'm not sure which QB is more brutal - Fajardo or Evans???

[BlueInCgy]

That just sounds gross.

It literally does.

You don?t appreciate just how good Knuckles or Mark Stephens are until you have to listen to these guys.

But I can read the GDT on rderfans in parallel which is fun.

[Tiger]

Best grounding penalty taken by Fajardo. 

Worst objectionable conduct penalty by Santos Knox

[dd]

Best grounding penalty taken by Fajardo. 

Worst objectionable conduct penalty by Santos Knox

Why did we ticats challenge that as it was so obvious it was in the end zone and a safety. Massive gaff by steinhauer, cost him 2 points and the ball

[GOLDMEMBER]

Now Andre is just making up calls I have never heard before. 

"Closing the line..."

Thanks for clarifying Duane...means no end. 

[pjrocksmb]

Hills beast

[GOLDMEMBER]

Danny Mac was a Cal find no?

[Pete]

Another bad penalty by hamilton, they just don't want to win

[pjrocksmb]

Will be good ending here

[pjrocksmb]

Risers suck boy

[The Zipp]

Faj had the open guy for the first down. Overthrown too high

[pjrocksmb]

Duck duck goose

[GOLDMEMBER]

Faj had the open guy for the first down. Overthrown too high

Riders in a tough spot! Calgary licking there chops.

[dd]

How on earth did we lose to hamilton??! They are awful

[GOLDMEMBER]

How on earth did we lose to hamilton??! They are awful

just one of those games. NOT a problem. Hamilton are losers. They had all the breaks game in that one.

[M.O.A.B.]

How on earth did we lose to hamilton??! They are awful

Sometimes we need the loss so our players be reminded how awful that feeling is.

[TecnoGenius]

It was worth it just to hear Andre make that call.   Pure gold !!

That 1st half ending was FUBAR'd by Proulx, Ham did touch the ball after the Sask kicked it, the Sask kicker does not have to give 5 yards but the other Sask players do, which they did not. It should have been Ham ball and they would have kicked a FG.

This play is going to need some major dissection by our forum over the next few days.  It even took all the refs and command many minutes to consult the rule book.  That's what I love about the CFL: each week we get another weird thing we've (almost) never seen that requires a deep dive into the rule book.

I think the key issue on this play, and Andre said it, was the kicker dribbled the ball (kicked it) as his first touch on it.  He's onside team A so I think the halo doesn't come into play, and since he dribbled it it becomes a free-for-all with no halo rules.  If any HAM touched it, it was after the dribble, that's why there's no no-yards.  However, I will have to hit the book to confirm this.

Why did we ticats challenge that as it was so obvious it was in the end zone and a safety. Massive gaff by steinhauer, cost him 2 points and the ball

Yes, this game had another wacky deep-dive rule book play: the not-safety.  I was thinking as I watched that Cody might have dodged the safety by having his arm over the goal line.  Seems kind of unfair to HAM: as the penalty was applied as going back 0 yards.  But SSK did lose the down.

[TecnoGenius]

I liked watching the game, and was pretty nervous for most of it.  SSK actually played better than HAM on both sides for nearly 3 quarters.  They were moving the ball and keeping up with ToP.  Their D was limiting what Evans could do.  I was getting worried SSK was going to pull off a win, as for a long while a couple of big plays and a FG would have given them the lead; then the chances for a TD drive with plenty of time.

It's ironic that in the end it was the SSK D that lost the game by allowing a, what, 9 minute drive to drain the 4th Q.  Their much vaunted D!  (Precisely what HAM did to us, BTW.)  Then Cody/Maas come out and crap the bed.  Ignore the run, which was just starting to work a bit.  Maas starts making Cody throw balls he can't do, and their WR/SBs suck donkey parts.

Cody never did dial in the longer ball (even when just a wide-out) with the wind.  Every single one sailed on him with the wind.  He needed to adjust, and he didn't.

A team with heart might have gotten that last drive TD.  But I knew SSK was a deflated, defeated team after watching them vs us 3 times.  They feel about themselves exactly what the fans are saying.  It's really too bad as they really had a chance to drive the field with the wind at the end for the win.

Following the Riders forum the whole time was fun.  It's interesting that they gave up on their team way too early, like in the 3rd Q, when SSK was still doing ok.

Like I said last week, SSK won't win another meaningful game and HAM gets the playoff spot with 2 wins vs free-spot OTT.  The funny thing was neither team really played like they cared to win tonight.  Doesn't matter, neither is/was going anywhere in the playoffs.  And those 4th Q misconduct penalties on HAM were completely inexcusable.  Almost gave SSK the game.

I guess my dream now is a threepeat of HAM vs WPG in the GC!  We would eat 'em raw.

[BlueInCgy]

Yes, this game had another wacky deep-dive rule book play: the not-safety.  I was thinking as I watched that Cody might have dodged the safety by having his arm over the goal line.  Seems kind of unfair to HAM: as the penalty was applied as going back 0 yards.  But SSK did lose the down.

In a larger game view, I really wish they?d address this in the next set of rule changes.  If you can?t move the ball back on penalties, move the markers.  Don?t reward teams with free plays because of poor field position.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

I honestly think Ottawa may beat the Ti-Cats, neither team deserved to win that game but Evans was unable to capitalize so many times, I was hoping they'd put in Schiltz who's pretty good coming off the bench.

[TecnoGenius]

In a larger game view, I really wish they?d address this in the next set of rule changes.  If you can?t move the ball back on penalties, move the markers.  Don?t reward teams with free plays because of poor field position.

That's a great idea!  Not sure how you'd tweak it to be fully fair and sensible.  But in this case moving the yards-to-go up, say, half the penalty yardage would make more sense than moving the sticks back 0 yards.  That said, we rarely see a penalty that gets reduced to 0 yards, because teams don't often start at their 1 

[TecnoGenius]

I honestly think Ottawa may beat the Ti-Cats, neither team deserved to win that game but Evans was unable to capitalize so many times, I was hoping they'd put in Schiltz who's pretty good coming off the bench.

Evans joins the hot & cold QB club (with VAJ & MBT)!  11-24 for 214y and 0 TD, 2 INTs!!  Holy cow that's horrifically bad.  Cody looked like Flutie out there compared to Evans stats.

Then again, Evans has almost no one left to throw to.  T.White was the only legit option and SSK clearly double-covered him all night.

But there's no way OTT can beat HAM when they're trying.  HAM can just give it to Hills every down.  What's OTT going to do?  Cry?

[BlueInCgy]

That's a great idea!  Not sure how you'd tweak it to be fully fair and sensible.  But in this case moving the yards-to-go up, say, half the penalty yardage would make more sense than moving the sticks back 0 yards.  That said, we rarely see a penalty that gets reduced to 0 yards, because teams don't often start at their 1 

It?s the same principle for half the distance back.  Team A is on their own 8, take a holding call on first down that isn?t declined.  Now it?s first and 14 after the penalty when it should be first and 20.  I get the rationale that you can?t penalize a play into either the offensive or defensive end zone, but it ends up being a quasi down over. 

[DM83]

Did lol! I was thinking the same thing near the end of the game.

[Horseman]

In a larger game view, I really wish they?d address this in the next set of rule changes.  If you can?t move the ball back on penalties, move the markers.  Don?t reward teams with free plays because of poor field position.

This is a great idea, it makes perfect sense.

[Blue In BC]

This play is going to need some major dissection by our forum over the next few days.  It even took all the refs and command many minutes to consult the rule book.  That's what I love about the CFL: each week we get another weird thing we've (almost) never seen that requires a deep dive into the rule book.

I think the key issue on this play, and Andre said it, was the kicker dribbled the ball (kicked it) as his first touch on it.  He's onside team A so I think the halo doesn't come into play, and since he dribbled it it becomes a free-for-all with no halo rules.  If any HAM touched it, it was after the dribble, that's why there's no no-yards.  However, I will have to hit the book to confirm this.

Yes, this game had another wacky deep-dive rule book play: the not-safety.  I was thinking as I watched that Cody might have dodged the safety by having his arm over the goal line.  Seems kind of unfair to HAM: as the penalty was applied as going back 0 yards.  But SSK did lose the down.

You're right about the dribble. It effectively becomes a fumble and a free for all after the kicker touched it first.

The non safety was the correct call IMO as well. This is the same as a player scoring a TD in that it's where the ball is ( forward ) when the knee touches down.

[3rdand1.5]

I almost feel bad for Fajardo, man was he best up yesterday. Every single blocker on that team should be embarrassed.

How did Dane put up those yards and TD's on us...He was terrible again. I don't think Hammy will go far with him moving forward, he is just way to inconsistent.

If nothing else this makes the final playoff spot really interesting. If I read it correct, they both play Cal in must-win games.....if so they both will play as hard as the can knowing their back are against the wall, while I don't wish injuries, I hope they both beat up physically on Cal.

[theaardvark]

Does Dickenson retain his job if he cuts Maas loose?  Maybe replace him with Lapo?  Lapo brings in "Hut HUT" to coach up the Oline so Fajardo does not get eaten alive?

[Blue In BC]

How did the Ti Cats manage to sack Fajardo 7 times while the Bombers didn't manage to do it once in the last game?

[bwiser]

Does Dickenson retain his job if he cuts Maas loose?  Maybe replace him with Lapo?  Lapo brings in "Hut HUT" to coach up the Oline so Fajardo does not get eaten alive?

The Riders are going to clean house when the season is over. I think Dickenson and Maas lose their job no matter if the Riders make the playoffs or not.

[jdrattops]

This play is going to need some major dissection by our forum over the next few days.  It even took all the refs and command many minutes to consult the rule book.  That's what I love about the CFL: each week we get another weird thing we've (almost) never seen that requires a deep dive into the rule book.

I think the key issue on this play, and Andre said it, was the kicker dribbled the ball (kicked it) as his first touch on it.  He's onside team A so I think the halo doesn't come into play, and since he dribbled it it becomes a free-for-all with no halo rules.  If any HAM touched it, it was after the dribble, that's why there's no no-yards.  However, I will have to hit the book to confirm this.

I finally had a chance to watch this game and slowed this play down on the PVR.  Believe or not the correct call was made on the field, Andre just lost his words in his explanation.  As an official, here is how the play played out:

The punter is always onside and had the first touch after the ball crossed the line of scrimmage, legal touch.  He dribbles the ball, so all Sask players behind the dribble including himself are onside, the remainder are offside but do not have to give yards, they just can't touch the ball.  Hamilton player touches the ball (not with his foot) and hits it forward unintentionally, so the ball now becomes live for everyone on the field.  Sask players recover.  The first down mark doesn't matter at this point as the touches constitute a change in possession.  Andre's explanation is classic Andre, the guy is a CFL legend and will be a future HOF.

[bomb squad]

Not one of Evans best games for sure, but he did enough at the right times to pull out a win. That 7 minute drive against the wind in the 4th was impressive. While Hills was the man, Evans did make several key 2nd and long conversions with some nice strikes into the middle at critical times. IMO his issue is he's too hyper. Needs to calm down a bit and I think he'll be a fine qb in this league.

[bomb squad]

I liked watching the game, and was pretty nervous for most of it.  SSK actually played better than HAM on both sides for nearly 3 quarters.  They were moving the ball and keeping up with ToP.  Their D was limiting what Evans could do.  I was getting worried SSK was going to pull off a win, as for a long while a couple of big plays and a FG would have given them the lead; then the chances for a TD drive with plenty of time.

It's ironic that in the end it was the SSK D that lost the game by allowing a, what, 9 minute drive to drain the 4th Q.  Their much vaunted D!  (Precisely what HAM did to us, BTW.)  Then Cody/Maas come out and crap the bed.  Ignore the run, which was just starting to work a bit.  Maas starts making Cody throw balls he can't do, and their WR/SBs suck donkey parts.

Cody never did dial in the longer ball (even when just a wide-out) with the wind.  Every single one sailed on him with the wind.  He needed to adjust, and he didn't.

A team with heart might have gotten that last drive TD.  But I knew SSK was a deflated, defeated team after watching them vs us 3 times.  They feel about themselves exactly what the fans are saying.  It's really too bad as they really had a chance to drive the field with the wind at the end for the win.

Following the Riders forum the whole time was fun.  It's interesting that they gave up on their team way too early, like in the 3rd Q, when SSK was still doing ok.

Like I said last week, SSK won't win another meaningful game and HAM gets the playoff spot with 2 wins vs free-spot OTT.  The funny thing was neither team really played like they cared to win tonight.  Doesn't matter, neither is/was going anywhere in the playoffs.  And those 4th Q misconduct penalties on HAM were completely inexcusable.  Almost gave SSK the game.

I guess my dream now is a threepeat of HAM vs WPG in the GC!  We would eat 'em raw.

I don't know, I think the emergence of Hills in the running game has made Hamilton a bit of wildcard there in the East now.

[Pete]

The Riders are going to clean house when the season is over. I think Dickenson and Maas lose their job no matter if the Riders make the playoffs or not.

I listened a bit to the Rider call in show, among the guys they want gone include, Evans,Cooper,Duke, Edam,Fajardo,AC Leonard,1/2 the offensive line,and of course ODay and the entire coaching staff!

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

I don't know, I think the emergence of Hills in the running game has made Hamilton a bit of wildcard there in the East now.

If LaPo would have found a RB like Hills he might still have a job, they desperately needed a strong running game to make his offence work.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Not one of Evans best games for sure, but he did enough at the right times to pull out a win. That 7 minute drive against the wind in the 4th was impressive. While Hills was the man, Evans did make several key 2nd and long conversions with some nice strikes into the middle at critical times. IMO his issue is he's too hyper. Needs to calm down a bit and I think he'll be a fine qb in this league.

Nah, Dane Evans is a headcase, he has adequate tools but not the mindset to put them to good use.  If I'm Steinauer I've seen enough this year to know not to tie my coaching career to Evans kite.  Maybe in time he can become another Trevor Harris, but after this season, I'd only trust him in a backup role. 

[TecnoGenius]

If LaPo would have found a RB like Hills he might still have a job, they desperately needed a strong running game to make his offence work.

Lapo did find Powell!  But he Powelled into the tub pronto along with Masoli, and thus Lapo is gone.  Funny how super bad luck can cost you your job in football.

[TecnoGenius]

The punter is always onside and had the first touch after the ball crossed the line of scrimmage, legal touch.  He dribbles the ball, so all Sask players behind the dribble including himself are onside, the remainder are offside but do not have to give yards, they just can't touch the ball.  Hamilton player touches the ball (not with his foot) and hits it forward unintentionally, so the ball now becomes live for everyone on the field.  Sask players recover.  The first down mark doesn't matter at this point as the touches constitute a change in possession.  Andre's explanation is classic Andre, the guy is a CFL legend and will be a future HOF.

I forgot the onside/offside dribble aspect.  The offisde-don't-give-halo thing doesn't ring a bell so I'll have to check that out, but I'll take your word for it for now!

I agree on Andre, I love that dude, and if refs can get in HoF, he deserves it.  I think the league will be worse off when he retires or heads to take over command center.

Which reminds me; always worth a chuckle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGLj4b--lXs
I jest because I love.

[TecnoGenius]

How did the Ti Cats manage to sack Fajardo 7 times while the Bombers didn't manage to do it once in the last game?

Cats were bringing lots of heat all game.  We still mostly tried to get through with 4.  Plus, Hickson was still in vs us and he's a much better blocker than the straight-off-the-plane Cooper.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

How did the Ti Cats manage to sack Fajardo 7 times while the Bombers didn't manage to do it once in the last game?

Plus the Elks sacked him 8 times with only 3 rushers.  I think without Jeffcoat the Bombers were more concerned with containing Fajardo than sacking him, knowing if contained to the pocket he would have a hard time hitting receivers.  Both methods worked.

[dd]

Our pass rush has not been as dominating as they have been in past seasons. Is it the loss of Richardson and the blocking he demanded that is the difference?.

[Blue In BC]

Our pass rush has not been as dominating as they have been in past seasons. Is it the loss of Richardson and the blocking he demanded that is the difference?.

That's part of the reason. I think another reason is that our SAM and WIL have not been as active in blitzes and / or not as effective as in 2021. The scheme has changed somewhat once we lost Wilson to injury.  Rutledge is a rookie and bumped this week for Kramdi.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

That's part of the reason. I think another reason is that our SAM and WIL have not been as active in blitzes and / or not as effective as in 2021. The scheme has changed somewhat once we lost Wilson to injury.  Rutledge is a rookie and bumped this week for Kramdi.

I noticed Redha Kramdi is pretty fast, they sent him on blitzes a few times, he also hits like a ton of bricks.

[Blue In BC]

I noticed Redha Kramdi is pretty fast, they sent him on blitzes a few times, he also hits like a ton of bricks.

He did fine for his 1st start. Having a Canadian that can play is always a good thing. He's been good on ST's and now he's starting on defence so we'll see how he progresses over the next two games.

[Knocker42]

That's part of the reason. I think another reason is that our SAM and WIL have not been as active in blitzes and / or not as effective as in 2021. The scheme has changed somewhat once we lost Wilson to injury.  Rutledge is a rookie and bumped this week for Kramdi.

We do not have Richardson. We do not have Kongbo.  Jeffcoat has been out or playing hurt for much of the season.  Our linebacking crew has been missing a few guys and Bighill has a shoulder issue.  How could we NOT have a drop off?