Winnipeg Jets Discussion - 2021/2022 Season

[Jesse]

What are you talking about?

Hiring Ex-jets...

[GOLDMEMBER]

Hiring Ex-jets...

This and Chipman always seems to hire people whom has a history with him or the Jets. Chevy is never going anywhere plus Zinger Huddy Vincent Flaherty are all classic examples and are only released after super extended terrible play periods.. It is retread central with the Jets. It is not confidence inspiring.

[Jockitch]

To get, we the fans, a little more amped with the ?Bones? signing, it would be really terrific to hear
names of assistant coaches to gain our early confidence
Heard Arniel?s name mentioned weeks earlier as potential assistant ??. works for me

[blue_gold_84]

Hiring Ex-jets...

A totally different franchise/organization.

This isn't some "old boys club" hiring, though.

[Jesse]

A totally different franchise/organization.

This isn't some "old boys club" hiring, though.

You?re entitled to your opinion.

There is quite a long history of hiring practices within this organization that indicates otherwise though?

[blue_gold_84]

You?re entitled to your opinion.

There is quite a long history of hiring practices within this organization that indicates otherwise though?

Such as?

[Pigskin]

After Barry it did matter who we signed, most fans were not going to be happy.

[Jesse]

After Barry it did matter who we signed, most fans were not going to be happy.

100% and I freely admit I was going to be disappointed no matter what. But this kind of reeks of either having no viable options that wanted to come here - or just the buddy system.

Such as?

Heisinger, Chevy, Claude Noel, Wade Flaherty, Mark Morrison, Eric Dubois, Drew Macintyre, Jimmy Roy, Mike Keane?.essentially the whole front office staff to be honest.

Now we?re going to hire Bowness, Arniel, and Baumgartner to make up our coaching staff.

[Pigskin]

Seriously, does that inspire confidence?

At best former fourth line guys or never we?re

I fear the leadership is severely absent.

Career non winners
Sorry, but this does not motivate me to purchase a ticket.

I don't really care if the coach is a 1st. line or 4th. line former player. As long as he can help improve this team.

[blue_gold_84]

Heisinger, Chevy, Claude Noel, Wade Flaherty, Mark Morrison, Eric Dubois, Drew Macintyre, Jimmy Roy, Mike Keane?.essentially the whole front office staff to be honest.

Now we?re going to hire Bowness, Arniel, and Baumgartner to make up our coaching staff.

How are Cheveldayoff, Morrison, or Dubois "old boys club" hires? Also, the majority of those you named are all part of the Moose organization more than anything. Noel hasn't been here for over eight years and his replacement wasn't an "old boys club" hire, either.

Bowness has never been an employee of the Jets 2.0 in any capacity. Furthermore, who would be a better fit here based on Trotz declining and the Bruins getting the jump on Montgomery?

This whole narrative about favoritism seems like a weird hill upon which to die when complaining about Bowness being hired as HC. The valid criticism should be what he brings to the table as a coach, IMO.

Sorry, but this does not motivate me to purchase a ticket.

Then don't.

[dd]

Been coaching since 1988, and only been in he playoffs 3 times, never won nothing. Nothing else to say. Do you think he?s amasingly going to start winning here?? No, we re not. Gross signing that screams we couldn?t get a real coach

[blue_gold_84]

Been coaching since 1988, and only been in he playoffs 3 times, never won nothing. Nothing else to say. Do you think he?s amasingly going to start winning here?? No, we re not. Gross signing that screams we couldn?t get a real coach

What "real" coach would you like instead? What an insipid comment.

And FWIW, he had a winning record in Dallas.

[GOLDMEMBER]

How are Cheveldayoff, Morrison, or Dubois "old boys club" hires? Also, the majority of those you named are all part of the Moose organization more than anything. Noel hasn't been here for over eight years and his replacement wasn't an "old boys club" hire, either.

Bowness has never been an employee of the Jets 2.0 in any capacity. Furthermore, who would be a better fit here based on Trotz declining and the Bruins getting the jump on Montgomery?

This whole narrative about favoritism seems like a weird hill upon which to die when complaining about Bowness being hired as HC. The valid criticism should be what he brings to the table as a coach, IMO.

Then don't.

Moose Jets whatever lots of retreads from previous organizational relationships established. Sure there are a couple non club members but the re hashes are obvious. Arniel and Baumgartner back here only further solidifies my opinion. I think Chevy and Chipman had a previous forged relationship as executives in the AHL prior to Jets 2.0.

Who knows how many actual other options the Jets had is the other angle. How many wanted to come here to be HC? Certainly Trotz did not after two visits here. Cassidy likely did not even consider here.

[Jesse]

How are Cheveldayoff, Morrison, or Dubois "old boys club" hires? Also, the majority of those you named are all part of the Moose organization more than anything. Noel hasn't been here for over eight years and his replacement wasn't an "old boys club" hire, either.

Bowness has never been an employee of the Jets 2.0 in any capacity. Furthermore, who would be a better fit here based on Trotz declining and the Bruins getting the jump on Montgomery?

This whole narrative about favoritism seems like a weird hill upon which to die when complaining about Bowness being hired as HC. The valid criticism should be what he brings to the table as a coach, IMO.

Then don't.

I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make - it's pretty well established that this organization feels more comfortable hiring those which with they've had a previous relationship. That's why there are so many former Moose on the roster as opposed to the most qualified NHL people out there. They are loyal to those who have been loyal to them - for better or for worse.

You going to tell me that Bowness called all his people and Arniel and Baumgardner were the top names who got back to him? Or that True North said, these are guys we know who need work?

[blue_gold_84]

I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make - it's pretty well established that this organization feels more comfortable hiring those which with they've had a previous relationship. That's why there are so many former Moose on the roster as opposed to the most qualified NHL people out there. They are loyal to those who have been loyal to them - for better or for worse.

You going to tell me that Bowness called all his people and Arniel and Baumgardner were the top names who got back to him? Or that True North said, these are guys we know who need work?

My point is the "old boys club" narrative is a fabricated one and I provided the rationale and coaches to show why that is. The "loyalty over winning" narrative is also pretty weak considering how - outside of this past season* - the team's done more winning than losing in recent history.

The Jets didn't get the man they wanted to be HC; he declined. What more qualified coaches currently unemployed would you prefer to see? Is there a better option than Bowness? I can't think of one.

I'm at a loss to understand what you mean by "former Moose on the roster as opposed to the most qualified NHL people out there." Unless you're saying the AHL side of the operation is loyal to former Moose players, in which case I'd agree. But the Moose aren't the team that needed new coaches, so it's a bit of a moot point.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but don't a lot NHL organizations operate with loyalty in mind? The Jets aren't some unique case from what I can tell.

The presser this morning made me at least cautiously optimistic about the new head coach, who made it sound like he's going to tackle the issues head on and fix what needs fixing. The talent is there.

* and there were several factors that played into it, far more relevant than "loyalty to familiar faces" or what have you