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Author Topic: Information on a Reduced Season [UPD: 2020 Season Officially Cancelled]  (Read 8382 times)
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« Reply #165 on: August 09, 2020, 09:26:59 AM »

No one is addressing the "what if" the virus situation doesn't change by spring 2021?  2022?  What if there's this steady trickle of cases for years; what if there's no viable vaccine that actually does anything useful?

So then are we going to cancel 2021 and 2022 also?  If the situation is the same then as it is now, and they find a way to play then, then what excuse do they have for not playing now?

It's so stupid.  Figure out a way to open it up now, because there's a greater than zero chance that they'll have to figure it out for 2021 anyhow.  Let's stop cowering in fear.  Are we mice or men?  We control our own destiny, not some strand of RNA that, by some definitions, isn't even "alive".

Covid isn't going to kill a single current CFL or NFL player.  Not one.  I'll bet the house on it.  Protect the vulnerable populations, but for the rest of us looking at the 0.1% or better odds, let's get back to playing (and working, and whatever it is that you do).

Let's play ball.  I still say Ambrosie makes it happen.
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« Reply #166 on: August 09, 2020, 01:04:18 PM »

No one is addressing the "what if" the virus situation doesn't change by spring 2021?  2022?  What if there's this steady trickle of cases for years; what if there's no viable vaccine that actually does anything useful?

So then are we going to cancel 2021 and 2022 also?  If the situation is the same then as it is now, and they find a way to play then, then what excuse do they have for not playing now?

It's so stupid.  Figure out a way to open it up now, because there's a greater than zero chance that they'll have to figure it out for 2021 anyhow.  Let's stop cowering in fear.  Are we mice or men?  We control our own destiny, not some strand of RNA that, by some definitions, isn't even "alive".

Covid isn't going to kill a single current CFL or NFL player.  Not one.  I'll bet the house on it.  Protect the vulnerable populations, but for the rest of us looking at the 0.1% or better odds, let's get back to playing (and working, and whatever it is that you do).

Let's play ball.  I still say Ambrosie makes it happen.


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« Reply #167 on: August 09, 2020, 02:05:52 PM »

I agree.  Just look at what is happening in Sturgess with the bikers.  The consequences will be seen down the road. Cry
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« Reply #168 on: August 09, 2020, 02:26:07 PM »

Even sports that are living in bubbles have had players come down with Covid. While that may have been the result of having it prior to leaving home or due to air travel is not known.

In a few cases players have broken the bubble confinement protocols. Young players like to party and socialize etc.

The NFL is too large a group to isolate for an entire season which is currently planned. That means air travel every week for half the teams. Players will return home and / or be free to do whatever they normally do pre-covid.

It's reasonable to expect some players will become infected once the season starts. What the trickle down effect is within the teams is only speculation. Predicting there is no risk of anybody dying is more hopeful than realistic. Players dying are not the only group to consider in this equation.

Many players are still concerned about the long term safety protocols.

Keep in mind that recovering from covid can still leave people with life altering permanent side effects. That's true for both young and old people.

Counting players, coaches, refs, broadcast crews, cleaning crews there are probably 3000 - 4,000 people involved with the NFL. Calculating the contact of players outside of the game is beyond calculation.

However, 0.1% of 3,000 - 4,000 means 3 or 4 deaths based on the posters comments. 

It's not hard to see why university and college sports are being cancelled in their entirety across North America.

Short seasons in bubbles is less risk but there is still risk involved.




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« Reply #169 on: August 09, 2020, 02:51:23 PM »

You are being a little naive.

In the USA, protocols were not followed because of economic pressure .
Those southern, if not all states could not afford to stay quarantined,  or. Bars closed..or  any business for that matter.
It's. Kind of scary Americans apparently are so economically fragile.

In Canada, slightly less so.  But how long can Trudeau stick handle and give out money endlessly.  The Socialistic. History of our economy makes dealing with this 1st phase of covid,  manageable.  A less radical population also helps.

However, the long term this "hand out" support isn't sustainable. So, at some point, yeah, open up for business.  You may catch the virus, but will fight it off. Yes as was mentioned,  suseptable people will catch it, and may or may not fight it off. Worst case scenario, they may die. Just a fact of life.  Hopefully science will, prevail and produces a cure of prevention. Most people will fight it off.

That is the dilemma. The unknown isn't it?  Does society risk going back to work and likely catching it, or. Hide away.?

Smart money says cancel the season.  Painful, but at least a certain reduction in illness, and economic status.
A vaccine or cure will likely be available at the latest by Feb 2021?  Can the CFL survive? In some way.  Maybe weak teams, like in a herd of animals Die off. 

I hate Having that opinion
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« Reply #170 on: August 09, 2020, 03:06:17 PM »

Who said definitively a vaccine will be available early in 2021? That's apparently the most optimistic outlook but optimism means little in the world of science.

This pandemic has exposed what's wrong with our collective economic and societal models. And neither of those appear to be sustainable without monumental changes. The "normal" we knew six months ago is the past now.

And the attitude "people will die all the same, so let's just reopen everything" is disgusting and callous. Compassion and empathy seem elusive for many - and that's probably the worst reality being faced in 2020.
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« Reply #171 on: August 09, 2020, 03:44:14 PM »

You are being a little naive.

In the USA, protocols were not followed because of economic pressure .
Those southern, if not all states could not afford to stay quarantined,  or. Bars closed..or  any business for that matter.
It's. Kind of scary Americans apparently are so economically fragile.

In Canada, slightly less so.  But how long can Trudeau stick handle and give out money endlessly.  The Socialistic. History of our economy makes dealing with this 1st phase of covid,  manageable.  A less radical population also helps.

However, the long term this "hand out" support isn't sustainable. So, at some point, yeah, open up for business.  You may catch the virus, but will fight it off. Yes as was mentioned,  suseptable people will catch it, and may or may not fight it off. Worst case scenario, they may die. Just a fact of life.  Hopefully science will, prevail and produces a cure of prevention. Most people will fight it off.

That is the dilemma. The unknown isn't it?  Does society risk going back to work and likely catching it, or. Hide away.?

Smart money says cancel the season.  Painful, but at least a certain reduction in illness, and economic status.
A vaccine or cure will likely be available at the latest by Feb 2021?  Can the CFL survive? In some way.  Maybe weak teams, like in a herd of animals Die off. 

I hate Having that opinion

Well you're at least half right about the USA and the economic pressures. I'd say the other half are those that feel they have the right to take a " me 1st " attitude in all things.

No doubt the economic pressures are real for the entire populations.

I'd say that if more people were willing to follow some / more of the safety protocols, they'd have an opportunity to open up more or sooner.

There is no perfect solution at the moment.  Caution still needs to be taken.
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« Reply #172 on: August 09, 2020, 04:32:30 PM »

I agree with you guys.
I like to be aggressive and an optimist /idealist.  However, as time has progressed these last. 30 days, I find the argument against opening the CFL more logical.  As I said I Hate it.

As a SR high school teacher, and returning to school in three weeks, I wonder what the process will be, and as a type 2 diabetic with high blood pressure( all under control for many years) I now ask am I Walking into a hornets nest.?

Nothing has been directed from MB Ed or my division ...lots of scuttlebut, even other divisions have stated some plans.

But as we have been discussing, lots of uncertainty, with different beliefs.
I can only guess this is prevalent among many in society, including the CFL

What is encouraging is that the NHL has proven successful, using the basics, of social distancing, masks in cllose qtrs, and stay at home if sick.

I would think the CFL can do the same, howeber, not sure if a Winnipeg. Bubble would be liveable.
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« Reply #173 on: August 09, 2020, 05:13:47 PM »

MLB season now in jeopardy. 10+ players or staff have tested positive in St Louis. Multiple other teams have had issues and had games re-scheduled.

Where or when they decide to draw a line in the sand is a TBD.
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« Reply #174 on: August 09, 2020, 05:34:03 PM »

Covid death rate in US is about 4.88% of the population, not .1%. Half of the players are from the US.
Covid death rate in Canada is about 2.43%, not .1%. (See: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/)

It's not just the players, it's also the coaches, the doctors, the trainers and all other support staff who need to be taken into account, then it's everyone they contact. Even if no players die, they could pass it on to people who do die.

Next year we will have significantly more data regarding the pandemic. We may even have a vaccine. We will certainly know from other sports leagues that do start up this year, what works and what doesn't. The CFL can't afford an outbreak like the NFL can, because we're not made of money.

The CFL has handled the pandemic horribly so far. First they made a ridiculous ask of the federal government without even involving the PA. They've now made a realistic ask, but still haven't worked everything out with the PA. They want the government to ignore the 2 week isolation rule for players/coaches coming into Canada just so they don't have to pay the 2 week isolation. That makes financial sense, but doesn't make any pandemic sense. I for one wouldn't trust them to do everything right inside the bubble, because they obviously rank financial sense above safety.
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« Reply #175 on: August 10, 2020, 12:31:46 AM »

It seems it's the. Classic "one step forward, two steps back."
There seem to be a lot of dumb people down there! Lol!
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« Reply #176 on: August 10, 2020, 02:30:06 PM »

No problem. It's staggering to think about it.  So far I don't know anybody that has had it or died from it.

On one hand I can understand people wanting / needing to get back to work regardless of the consequences.

Society can't survive indefinite quarantines and / or unemployment.

However there is a difference between taking precautions and letting the chips fall where they fall recklessly. Many decisions are big money decisions where money is talking ( NFL ) for example.

That's reckless IMO.



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« Reply #177 on: August 13, 2020, 08:31:13 PM »

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Being told Public Health Agency of Canada continues to have discussions with @CFL regarding its healthy-and-safety protocols for an abbreviated season. Therefore no formal decision yet on league?s request for a $30 million, no-interest loan from federal government. #waitinggame
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« Reply #178 on: August 13, 2020, 11:10:31 PM »

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Being told Public Health Agency of Canada continues to have discussions with @CFL regarding its healthy-and-safety protocols for an abbreviated season. Therefore no formal decision yet on league?s request for a $30 million, no-interest loan from federal government. #waitinggame

The long version of ?no news?
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« Reply #179 on: August 14, 2020, 02:26:45 AM »

Mite be time to put a fork in it.
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