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« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2020, 05:17:55 PM »

Umm - there is reason to think he's not going to be "heavily involved in running downs" like Streveler. I would point to the fact that he is not Streveler and therefore cannot do those things.

Did Nichols 'sulk'? You said everyone we sign is a 'team first guy' or is that not true today because it doesn't happen to fit the narrative?

I am looking forward to seeing what Buck can do, but your logic is faulty. The guy "knows injuries" because he could never figure out how to protect himself while playing. That's good? I guess?

So many lol's in aards' statement.

I would be very shocked if McGuire sees the field outside of injury. We've never seen MOS pull starters in situations late in game sor anything like that. The use of Strev was completed unprecedented and unique to his abilities.

I am a little shocked at aards for throwing Nichols under the bus already. Streveler's use predates Collaros joining the team by about two years. Nice little pot shot for a guy who did nothing but good for this team. Also, you're right in pointing out how hypocritical it is for him to call Nichols selfish when we don't sign selfish players.

Just throwing incorrect, inconsistent, and insulting narratives out there. Poor form aards.
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« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2020, 05:20:06 PM »

Sid Crosby was close to having to retire...multiple concussions in short order..several from basically minimal contact, similar to Zack...but has gone what...almost 8 years now with none....possibly Zack is on that trajectory...risky banking on it, but hey it's possible

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« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2020, 05:25:06 PM »

Some folks seem to be severely under estimating what Streveler did for us last year. In just his 2nd year, he started and won games. He was instrumental in winning other games when Nichols/Collaros started. I doubt we would have beaten Calgary in the playoffs if it wasn't for Streveler's running for example. Losing Streveler is huge IMO and no... I don't expect McGuire will be able to run like Streveler did. I hope he can throw the ball better though.
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« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2020, 05:26:45 PM »

Some folks seem to be severely under estimating what Streveler did for us last year. In just his 2nd year, he started and won games. He was instrumental in winning other games when Nichols/Collaros started. I doubt we would have beaten Calgary in the playoffs if it wasn't for Streveler's running for example. Losing Streveler is huge IMO and no... I don't expect McGuire will be able to run like Streveler did. I hope he can throw the ball better though.

Not to mention his grit. Man played on a broken foot through an intense post season.
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« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2020, 05:28:36 PM »

The obvious concern is Collaros getting another concussion. However, we do not know to what degree his concussions were, and he has stated that he is now 100% recovered.

With that said, without knowing all the details nobody (unless you are a concussion specialist) can clearly state he is now more prone than anyone else to get a concussion. Many pro & amateur athletes had more than one concussion early in their career (my hand is up), but continued to play without getting another one...and to this day have zero symptoms Wink Cheesy

And regarding Sean McGuire, besides having a great name for a QB, he has the size & tools to go along with having a full year around an offence & GC winning team with little to no changes. Add in far more reps in practice as the backup and designed plays on game day, and hopefully he continues to develop into the QB the BB see him as.
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« Reply #35 on: February 13, 2020, 05:30:02 PM »

I have major concerns with the secondary and slight concerns with the DL.

I'll come out and admit this even though y'all will think I'm crazy, but it was my opinion that if it came down to Jefferson and Nevis, when you factor the cost (and henceforth the money available to the rest of the roster) and strength of depth, I'd have taken Nevis. And don't get me wrong, I'm a HUGE Jefferson fan. I just really thought that the success of the D, especially against the run, came from the stove and refrigerator we had parked in the middle of the Dline. The price would have been less than half of Jefferson, and we could have re-upped Roh as the de facto starter (underrated) and heavily rotated McCallister. Looking at that DL as a group, it's possibly stronger in terms of potential penetration/opening for LBs. That said, having McCallister in as the new Roh will be great, and our DE rotation will obviously be tops in the league. Not sure about the middle, though.

We obviously lost two very, very good DBs to the NFL; one of which was the league interception leader and the other playing arguably the most difficult position in Canadian football. Our biggest asset left is Brandon Alexander, but it is perplexing to me that he we be wasted by playing one of the easiest spots to fill. Taylor is serviceable and Mike Jones has shown that he very well could be a baller (certainly was in the playoffs), but I would recommend we put Alexander at BHB, Jones as BCB, JJ at FHB, a no0b at FCB, and use the vet Taylor to be field general as our safety. That is all of course to say if we do go all Int in the secondary. In any case, it was not possible to replace Sayles and Rose apparently, so we have to flesh out the boundary side with our best available IMO.

you crazy bro...I wish we could have kept Nevis too but not at the expense of WJ...hoping Kongbo shakes loose at some point in early Oct.

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« Reply #36 on: February 13, 2020, 05:30:58 PM »

Some folks seem to be severely under estimating what Streveler did for us last year. In just his 2nd year, he started and won games. He was instrumental in winning other games when Nichols/Collaros started. I doubt we would have beaten Calgary in the playoffs if it wasn't for Streveler's running for example. Losing Streveler is huge IMO and no... I don't expect McGuire will be able to run like Streveler did. I hope he can throw the ball better though.

Streveler will be the unicorn for seasons to come.  Used properly, as he was in the playoffs, he was deadly in disrupting gameplanning.  
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« Reply #37 on: February 13, 2020, 05:35:21 PM »

you crazy bro...I wish we could have kept Nevis too but not at the expense of WJ...hoping Kongbo shakes loose at some point in early Oct.

Kongbo has his hands full cracking any part of the 9ers roster. Of course I wish him big time luck in doing it, but the odds would seem to be low.
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« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2020, 05:57:47 PM »

Some folks seem to be severely under estimating what Streveler did for us last year. In just his 2nd year, he started and won games. He was instrumental in winning other games when Nichols/Collaros started. I doubt we would have beaten Calgary in the playoffs if it wasn't for Streveler's running for example. Losing Streveler is huge IMO and no... I don't expect McGuire will be able to run like Streveler did. I hope he can throw the ball better though.

Well said. Streveler's skillset added a wrinkle to this offence that was challenging to defend when paired with Collaros. That playoff run basically solidified its effectiveness. Honourable mention to his insanely beautiful TD pass to Harris in the big game, too.

I still wonder how that tandem system could've worked earlier on in 2019 when Nichols was still playing.
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« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2020, 06:17:15 PM »

The obvious concern is Collaros getting another concussion. However, we do not know to what degree his concussions were, and he has stated that he is now 100% recovered.

With that said, without knowing all the details nobody (unless you are a concussion specialist) can clearly state he is now more prone than anyone else to get a concussion. Many pro & amateur athletes had more than one concussion early in their career (my hand is up), but continued to play without getting another one...and to this day have zero symptoms Wink Cheesy

And regarding Sean McGuire, besides having a great name for a QB, he has the size & tools to go along with having a full year around an offence & GC winning team with little to no changes. Add in far more reps in practice as the backup and designed plays on game day, and hopefully he continues to develop into the QB the BB see him as.

It's fair to say Collaros is a "concussion denier" and either doesn't believe in the proven science or is leaving his fate in the hand's of Jesus.....probably the latter.  Grin
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« Reply #40 on: February 13, 2020, 06:21:12 PM »

Yup.. he's going to get hit.  Did in the 4 games he played last year for us, while he was busy getting us to the finish line.   And he survived all the hits quite well.

We won't have Streveler this year, but no reason to think McGuire is not going to be heavily involved on running downs, and like Streveler, pulling it every now and then for a huge pass.

One big difference is unlike the Warrior Nichols, Collaros isn't going to sulk if he doesn't get every snap.   Streveler was utilized a lot more behind Collaros than Nichols.  And that kept Collaros upright during the playoff run...

 With Buck, who knows injuries, you can bet that Collaros will be protected.  Can he be protected against a Lawrence type dirty hit?  No one can.  
In 44 games McGuire had 326 rushing yards, averaging 1.4 ypc. He also had 2 punts for 79 yards. Guess we're gonna see him in the punt game too?

Also, out of curiosity, when did Nichols "sulk" about not getting every snap? Oh that's right, he didn't. Just like he never publicly aired his displeasure for the Bombers targeting Collaros.

Please keep making stuff up, it's kinda funny
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« Reply #41 on: February 13, 2020, 06:22:40 PM »

I mean, we were concerned with Nichols/Steveler to start the season last year, then we all feared everything was lost when Nichols went down.  Streveler then went on to pull off several wins and his grit continued to show even when Nichols and Collaros were our starters.  I think we are starting this year with the same expectations, we have an unknown, we have the possibility for injuries, and our team as every other team, will need to rely on the success of the backup when the starter goes down.  I'm not willing to say our year is done if it is to happen, just as Saskatchewan's wasn't, nor was Hamiltons, and neither was Calgary last year when they had similar question marks and similar concerns to start the season.
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« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2020, 06:55:28 PM »

So many lol's in aards' statement.

I would be very shocked if McGuire sees the field outside of injury. We've never seen MOS pull starters in situations late in game sor anything like that. The use of Strev was completed unprecedented and unique to his abilities.

I am a little shocked at aards for throwing Nichols under the bus already. Streveler's use predates Collaros joining the team by about two years. Nice little pot shot for a guy who did nothing but good for this team. Also, you're right in pointing out how hypocritical it is for him to call Nichols selfish when we don't sign selfish players.

Just throwing incorrect, inconsistent, and insulting narratives out there. Poor form aards.

Not throwing Nichols under the bus, he had his way, and I always disliked that he would never let the other QB's take any snaps, even deep into garbage time.  As to MOS not pulling him, again, we don't know what sitting Nichols might have done from a confidence standpoint... but it seemed that we were able to do it far more with Collaros than Nichols.

When Collaros came in, Streveler was used in a different capacity than with Nichols.  We didn't start the year with a "two headed monster"...  even though we knew Streveler's abilities.  Yes, Streveler got in for his short yardage, and then maybe one play.  With Collaros, he had more packages, and instead of short yardage dives, he came in on running downs as well...

Buck as a player went head first into the fray, and it cost him.  Buck as an OC may have a different outlook is all I'm saying...

Until we get into the pre-season, we have no idea what the offense or even the QB corps is going to look like...
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« Reply #43 on: February 13, 2020, 06:57:08 PM »

It's fair to say Collaros is a "concussion denier" and either doesn't believe in the proven science or is leaving his fate in the hand's of Jesus.....probably the latter.  Grin

Collaros admits to having a concussion...so no it?s not fair to say.

Proven science states a person can return to normal activity (or sport) once given approval by a concussion specialist. And depending on the cause, severity of the concussion(s), type of activity, and believe it or not - your genetics...a specialist will advise you on staying away from the activity or actually encourage you to go back to it.

Collaros is not the first nor will he be the last to return to his sport post-concussion(s). I guess athlete?s like Andrew Copp, Crosby, Bergeron etc...are concussion deniers and leaving their fate in the hands of Jesus Roll Eyes
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« Reply #44 on: February 13, 2020, 07:03:36 PM »

Not throwing Nichols under the bus, he had his way, and I always disliked that he would never let the other QB's take any snaps, even deep into garbage time.  As to MOS not pulling him, again, we don't know what sitting Nichols might have done from a confidence standpoint... but it seemed that we were able to do it far more with Collaros than Nichols.

When Collaros came in, Streveler was used in a different capacity than with Nichols.  We didn't start the year with a "two headed monster"...  even though we knew Streveler's abilities.  Yes, Streveler got in for his short yardage, and then maybe one play.  With Collaros, he had more packages, and instead of short yardage dives, he came in on running downs as well...

Buck as a player went head first into the fray, and it cost him.  Buck as an OC may have a different outlook is all I'm saying...

Until we get into the pre-season, we have no idea what the offense or even the QB corps is going to look like...

I must've missed when Nichols was the head coach. You do realize even when Streveler was our starter there were times when he could've/should've been pulled with an out of reach game either way, yet he stayed in, right?

You aren't saying "Buck might just put a different QB in for design run plays", you're implying that those plays will happen still, and with a QB who didn't average even 2 yards per carry in college.
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