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« on: January 08, 2020, 04:17:38 PM »

I just read the CFLPA memo to players on the CBA changes, as posted at 3downnation.

Based on what I read, I am serving notice that this will be my last year as a season ticket holder, and probably the last that I follow the league closely on-line throughout the year.  I have already committed to my seatmates for the current season, so I guess this year will be the long goodbye.

I know different people have different opinions, but the idea of creating Fake Canadians by designating 3 year American vets as Canadians for the starting ratio is reprehensible.  Not only does it remove Canadians from starting positions, but it does it in such a duplicitous way. Instead of just dropping the ratio requirement lower, we create ersatz Canadians.  It's snake oil, pure and simple. 

For me, seeing how GMs and coaches manage the ratio is the most entertaining part of the off-season discussion, and is what makes the draft and free agency strategy so important.  With this development, the importance of the CFL draft is negligible. 

Only time will tell if Ambrosie's vision is necessary for the economic survival of the league.  But if changing into something unrecognizable is the cost of survival, well, I just can say that I really want no part of it. 
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« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2020, 04:27:56 PM »

I think this is the section you mentioned. You may be reading too much into it. The imports involved are already starters. Saying S. Bryant can replace an injured Canadian OL doesn't carry much weight. The only way this happens in practice is if a DI is capable of being the replacement. We don't generally see DI's stay with a team or even in the CFL that long without becoming actual starters?

In Winnipeg Medlock obviously falls into the long term player but he's a specialist and has nobody to replace.

Teams will be eligible to name as National Starters a maximum of three (3) Players per game who have become National Players by virtue of the Amended definition of National, i.e. Americans who have played with the same C.F.L. team for three (3) consecutive years or who have played four (4) years in the C.F.L. These three (3) players only apply to the starter ratio, and not to the roster allocation.

In the event of a game injury to any of the Club?s ten (10) National Starters, the injured player(s) can be replaced by either a National or any other American on the roster who qualifies under the Amended definition of National above.

During each season, Section 8, sub-sections 1, 2 and 5 of the C.F.L. By-Laws (Appendix ?E? to the Collective Agreement) shall be amended and shall be deemed to be amended as follows:

1. For the 2020 and 2021 seasons, the Commissioner shall maintain in the League office a registry of Players under contract with each Member Club. Prior to the commencement of the regular season schedule each Member Club shall, in accordance with a timetable prescribed by the Management Council, establish its active Roster at:

a maximum of 45 Players, including 2 Players who shall be identified as quarterbacks and 43 other Players, of whom not more than 20 may be Americans, or

2. Prior to the commencement of the regular season schedule, each Member Club shall in accordance with the timetable prescribed by the Management Council, establish its reserve Roster of 1 Player.

5. A Member Club shall be permitted to dress for a regular season or playoff game or League Championship Game its active Roster as described in paragraph 1. The Players identified as quarterbacks shall be permitted to alternate for each other during the game at the quarterback position exclusively and shall not be permitted to enter the game at another position, under any circumstances. For the purposes of this paragraph, the duties of the quarterback position may include punting, place kicking, kicking off or holding the ball for the kicker on a convert or field goal attempt. A National quarterback will be considered one of a Club?s starting National Players as long as he remains on the field at the quarterback position. When the Member Club dresses its full quota of American Players four shall be designated Americans and designated as special team Players who may enter the game at another position only upon the understanding that another American Player is required to leave the game for that play.

When the Member Club dresses 19 American Players, three shall be designated Americans and designated as special team Players who may enter the game at another position only upon the understanding that another American Player is required to leave the game for that play.

When the Member Club dresses 18 American Players, two shall be a designated Americans and designated as a special team Players who may enter the game at another position only upon the understanding that another American Player is required to leave the game for that play.

The designated Americans shall only be allowed to participate on the special teams; provided however, a designated American may be directly substituted to replace another American Player provided the said American Player being replaced is on the same side (offensive or defensive) that the designated American will be playing on. The designated American may replace any other American Player during the game on either side of the ball on the understanding that the Player that he replaces may not re-enter that game.

Teams will be eligible to name as National Starters a maximum of three (3) Players per game who have become National players by virtue of the Amended definition of National i.e. Americans who have played with the same C.F.L. team for three (3) consecutive years or who have played four (4) years in the C.F.L. These three (3) Players only apply to the starter ratio, and not to the roster allocation. In the event of a game injury to any of the Clubs? ten (10) National Starters, the injured player(s) can be replaced by either a National or any other American on the roster who qualifies under the Amended definition of National.

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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2020, 04:37:31 PM »


   
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I think this is the section you mentioned. You may be reading too much into it. The imports involved are already starters. Saying S. Bryant can replace an injured Canadian OL doesn't carry much weight. The only way this happens in practice is if a DI is capable of being the replacement. We don't generally see DI's stay with a team or even in the CFL that long without becoming actual starters?



Teams will be eligible to name as National Starters a maximum of three (3) Players per game who have become National Players by virtue of the Amended definition of National, i.e. Americans who have played with the same C.F.L. team for three (3) consecutive years or who have played four (4) years in the C.F.L. These three (3) players only apply to the starter ratio, and not to the roster allocation.

The above is not limited to injury replacement.  In practical terms, the Bombers can now declare Stanley Bryant as a Canadian for starting ratio purposes.  That means they can reacquire Travis Bond, and Patrick Neufeld is on the bench.   They can do the same thing with Hardrick, and Desjarlais is now on the bench.  They can declare Darvin Adams a Canadian, go out and sign Derel Walker, and Wolitarsky becomes a sideline decoration. 

This is unacceptable to me. 
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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2020, 04:38:17 PM »

LOL. If I read this correctly we could now list Medlock as the # 2 QB. It would be suicide if we had a QB injury but I find it amusing.

We need to find the next Chuck Ealy or Don Jonas that could actually really play QB as well as be the primary kickers.
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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2020, 04:50:01 PM »

We are sorry to see you go and no doubt you have lots of fond memories of the CFL.

Best of luck in your future beyond this year-long goodbye. All the best.
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« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2020, 04:50:23 PM »

Nik Kowalski
@nik_kowalski #Bombers new Canadian players:

Adam Bighill
Justin Medlock
Kyrie Wilson
Mercy Maston
Brandon Alexander
Jermarcus Hardrick
Kenny Lawler
Jackson Jeffcoat

The following players would also qualify as Canadian next season if they are to re-sign with the #Bombers:

Darvin Adams
Stanley Bryant
Chandler Fenner
Willie Jefferson
Korey Jones
Charles Nelson
Drake Nevis
Craig Roh
Nick Taylor

17 new NI's if everyone signs.
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« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2020, 04:52:20 PM »

I just read the CFLPA memo to players on the CBA changes, as posted at 3downnation.

Based on what I read, I am serving notice that this will be my last year as a season ticket holder, and probably the last that I follow the league closely on-line throughout the year.  I have already committed to my seatmates for the current season, so I guess this year will be the long goodbye.

I know different people have different opinions, but the idea of creating Fake Canadians by designating 3 year American vets as Canadians for the starting ratio is reprehensible.  Not only does it remove Canadians from starting positions, but it does it in such a duplicitous way. Instead of just dropping the ratio requirement lower, we create ersatz Canadians.  It's snake oil, pure and simple. 

For me, seeing how GMs and coaches manage the ratio is the most entertaining part of the off-season discussion, and is what makes the draft and free agency strategy so important.  With this development, the importance of the CFL draft is negligible. 

Only time will tell if Ambrosie's vision is necessary for the economic survival of the league.  But if changing into something unrecognizable is the cost of survival, well, I just can say that I really want no part of it. 

It makes no sense.  Canadian talent has only gotten better.  Their are more Canadian players going to the NCAA, we are beating the yanks at the U18 and U19 juniors.  Even Mexico and Japan have beat them.  The US, even have some kids on their roster going to Division 1 school.

We have Canadian DEs like Boateng and Smith beating American tackles.  Canadian DBs like Woodson and Bouka who get a chance to play DHB, when usually the DI at DB would fill that in game.  A QB like O'Connor who has a bright future if given the chance.  We have had guys like Cornish, Harris and Messam all lead the league in rushing.
LBs like Ackie, Lokombo, Muamba, Shorthill, Briggs, Greenwood, who have all played well as starters, or guys who have filled in for injuries and excelled.
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« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2020, 04:58:41 PM »

   
The above is not limited to injury replacement.  In practical terms, the Bombers can now declare Stanley Bryant as a Canadian for starting ratio purposes.  That means they can reacquire Travis Bond, and Patrick Neufeld is on the bench.   They can do the same thing with Hardrick, and Desjarlais is now on the bench.  They can declare Darvin Adams a Canadian, go out and sign Derel Walker, and Wolitarsky becomes a sideline decoration. 

This is unacceptable to me. 

....or Alexander plays in place of Hecht and we no longer have to worry about the ratio issue on D. even if Kongbo never returns.
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« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2020, 05:02:03 PM »

Nik Kowalski
@nik_kowalski #Bombers new Canadian players:

Adam Bighill
Justin Medlock
Kyrie Wilson
Mercy Maston
Brandon Alexander
Jermarcus Hardrick
Kenny Lawler
Jackson Jeffcoat

The following players would also qualify as Canadian next season if they are to re-sign with the #Bombers:

Darvin Adams
Stanley Bryant
Chandler Fenner
Willie Jefferson
Korey Jones
Charles Nelson
Drake Nevis
Craig Roh
Nick Taylor

17 new NI's if everyone signs.

If not sure Lawler, Nelson or K. Jones qualify under the new rule. Regardless nearly every player is already a starter. The few that aren't would be DI's at best and who would they replace as injured starting Canadians.

4 players in the group of if we re-sign and probably not returning.
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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2020, 05:06:28 PM »

....or Alexander plays in place of Hecht and we no longer have to worry about the ratio issue on D. even if Kongbo never returns.

That's not what it says. It says during in game injury. Alexander will already be starting.

A slippery slope though. I suppose if we had a DB as a DI he could replace Alexander at DHB or CB and then Alexander could replace a Canadian at safety.

That's a lot of if's and just adds more confusion.
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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2020, 05:09:13 PM »

If not sure Lawler, Nelson or K. Jones qualify under the new rule. Regardless nearly every player is already a starter. The few that aren't would be DI's at best and who would they replace as injured starting Canadians.
Teams will be eligible to name as National Starters a maximum of three (3) Players per game who have become National Players by virtue of the Amended definition of National, i.e. Americans who have played with the same C.F.L. team for three (3) consecutive years or who have played four (4) years in the C.F.L. These three (3) players only apply to the starter ratio, and not to the roster allocation.

3 of of the 17 players can be designated as National Starters.

Not sure what good it does because it also says:

In the event of a game injury to any of the Club?s ten (10) National Starters...


Sounds like the number of national starters goes up by 3 (Used to be 7). Those 3 spots are taken by vet imports. Kinda a wash.
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« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2020, 05:16:06 PM »

Teams will be eligible to name as National Starters a maximum of three (3) Players per game who have become National Players by virtue of the Amended definition of National, i.e. Americans who have played with the same C.F.L. team for three (3) consecutive years or who have played four (4) years in the C.F.L. These three (3) players only apply to the starter ratio, and not to the roster allocation.

3 of of the 17 players can be designated as National Starters.

Not sure what good it does because it also says:

In the event of a game injury to any of the Club?s ten (10) National Starters...


Sounds like the number of national starters goes up by 3 (Used to be 7). Those 3 spots are taken by vet imports. Kinda a wash.

It's a little like designating the DI's. We do that before the game and they can be substitutes as set by rule.

The only way I see this changing anything is if one of those 3 players is already a DI and capable of replacing a Canadian starter. He'd also have to be better than the Canadian back ups we already have.

Something new to watch in 2020. More of a very, very small ripple than anything really having any impact. Unless this is step 1 before they take away the in game injury comment and make veteran imports as grandfathered Canadians.  IE: the Ron Lancaster rule.



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« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2020, 05:16:37 PM »

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?A? Grid ? 1st or 2nd round CFL Draft Choice

    Base Salary (max.)    Max. Sign or Housing (Optional)    50% + 1 based on offence and defence snaps (Optional)

1st Year    $65,000    $7,500    $7,500

2nd Year    $65,000    $7,500    $7,500

3rd Year    $65,000-$71,500 max.    $7,500    $7,500

?B? Grid ? 3rd or 4th round CFL Draft Choice

    Base Salary (max.)    Max. Sign or Housing (Optional)    50% + 1 based on offence and defence snaps (Optional)

1st Year    $65,000    $5,000    $7,500

2nd Year    $65,000    $5,000    $7,500

3rd Year    $65,000-$71,500 max.    $5,000    $7,500

?C? Grid ? 5th round or higher CFL Draft Choice plus undrafted

    Base Salary (max.)    Max. Sign or Housing (Optional)    50% + 1 based on offence and defence snaps (Optional)

1st Year    $65,000    $2,500    $7,500

2nd Year    $65,000    $2,500    $7,500

3rd Year    $65,000-$71,500 max.    $2,500    $7,500

Note: No other bonus payments (inside an addendum) are permitted (i.e. no per Sacks, All-star, or Outstanding Player, etc. payments)

All Global players will be required to sign a minimum 2 + 1(option) first contract.

All American players will be required to sign a minimum 1 + 1(option) first contract.

Note: No restrictions on bonus payments to Global or American Players.


Max salaries for draft picks also in the memo. 65K base salary for a 1st or 2nd rounder seems pretty darn low.
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« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2020, 05:25:44 PM »

   
The above is not limited to injury replacement.  In practical terms, the Bombers can now declare Stanley Bryant as a Canadian for starting ratio purposes.  That means they can reacquire Travis Bond, and Patrick Neufeld is on the bench.   They can do the same thing with Hardrick, and Desjarlais is now on the bench.  They can declare Darvin Adams a Canadian, go out and sign Derel Walker, and Wolitarsky becomes a sideline decoration. 

This is unacceptable to me. 

Actually it's 10 staring nationals.  Seven must be actual Nationals and the other three can be an import, who have been with the team for three years or in the CFL for four.  So you would still have to start guys like Desjarlais and Neufeld at guard or replace a import position, with a national.  It's kind of similar to the old rule where if a Import gets their Canadian citizenship, then they could be classified as nationals.  Guys like Angelo Mosca, did this.

The replacing of a national in game with an import is going to be hard, because not many teams have veteran imports backing up.  An example would be you guys starting Jefferson and Jeffcoat at DE with Roh as a backup and he is not a DI, Thomas goes down at DT, you can then put Roh in Thomas's spot, but you couldn't do that with a rookie import as your backup.
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« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2020, 05:34:05 PM »

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The Players identified as quarterbacks shall be permitted to alternate for each other during the game at the quarterback position exclusively and shall not be permitted to enter the game at another position, under any circumstances. For the purposes of this paragraph, the duties of the quarterback position may include punting, place kicking, kicking off or holding the ball for the kicker on a convert or field goal attempt
Looks like QB's won't be able to play special teams any more unless they are kicking or holding.
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