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« on: August 02, 2019, 01:22:13 AM »

He is not a elite quarterback!!
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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2019, 01:24:22 AM »

Wil goes animal causes a fumble and recovers it and offence blows it. No excuse for that...non
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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2019, 01:29:16 AM »

He is not a elite quarterback!!

He is at the most a good backup QB. He is not even a good starter. I would take most QB's in this league right now who are starting for their teams right now. They all look athletic. Nichols is just god awful at everything except handing off the ball.
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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2019, 01:30:55 AM »

Somebody throw a bag of money Kevin Glenn.  I am only half kidding.
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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2019, 01:43:17 AM »

This was suppose to be our year but LaPolice is way too conservative in his play calling when we are up.. it let's other teams catch up.
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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2019, 01:45:55 AM »

Nichols has shown he can be successful with an elite team around him, but our OL isn't what it once was and he can't adapt. He's taking off (which is immediately a lost play) and locking onto his first read.
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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2019, 01:47:14 AM »

169 YARDS PASSING.  Against the Argos!  Bethel Thompson passing for almost 350 against our "stellar" D     Cry   Bighill has not been a difference maker at all.  
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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2019, 01:47:42 AM »

He sucks he still can't get rid of the ball under pressure! How long has he been in yhe league??
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« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2019, 01:48:43 AM »

We need better receivers or a better QB.... no way around it. We can't keep winning with under 200 yards passing..




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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2019, 01:49:22 AM »

backup quarterback at best. Edmonton figured that out!
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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2019, 01:52:48 AM »

Nichols is fine. If Harris is running hard and you can drive with short passes and check downs. With the game on the line and you absolutely need a 1st down, is he the guy you want? Honest answers.
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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2019, 01:53:02 AM »

Fajardo is a better quarterback.
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« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2019, 01:55:36 AM »

Take a look at his performances in Edmonton. Inconsistent. Yet they went 5-2 with him. Pulled three times by Jones and eventually dumped. He's improved marginally but it's the same old story.
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« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2019, 01:57:15 AM »

Ever think it's Lapo's play calling? He seems to go into a heroin overdose from game to game and call a brutal game.
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« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2019, 02:02:08 AM »

We will never win a cup with him. They must either give it to strev or lose him in free agency or get someone else. Sad truth is our head coach will go with him and we as fans will suffer another year.
 
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« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2019, 02:05:17 AM »

Nichols is fine. If Harris is running hard and you can drive with short passes and check downs. With the game on the line and you absolutely need a 1st down, is he the guy you want? Honest answers.

No, if that?s all he can do, defended will play tight to the kind of scrimmage and that?s likely what happening now D coordinators are realizing we have zero mid to deep ball threats not attempts, so their DBs are playing right to the receivers. All that?s left after being blanketed is Harris as the check down 2-3 yards over the middle.
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« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2019, 02:05:59 AM »

5 and 0 and all kinds of hype about Nichols  and his efficiency.  2 bad losses and crickets.  I worry Nichols is not a winner.  He collapses under pressure ( not alone on the Bombers I am afraid)..  
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« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2019, 02:06:15 AM »

He is not a elite quarterback!!

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He is at the most a good backup QB. He is not even a good starter. I would take most QB's in this league right now who are starting for their teams right now. They all look athletic. Nichols is just god awful at everything except handing off the ball.

He is a starter.

He sucks he still can't get rid of the ball under pressure! How long has he been in yhe league??
He record suggests he doesn't suck.
backup quarterback at best. Edmonton figured that out!
He is a proven winner and starter.
Take a look at his performances in Edmonton. Inconsistent. Yet they went 5-2 with him. Pulled three times by Jones and eventually dumped. He's improved marginally but it's the same old story.
Take a look at his record with the Bombers.  Thank you.
Ever think it's Lapo's play calling? He seems to go into a heroin overdose from game to game and call a brutal game.
The drug reference isn't respectful.
We need better receivers or a better QB.... no way around it. We can't keep winning with under 200 yards passing..
We miss Adams and Walker wasn't good tonight.  Woli invisible.  Matthews will slowly help.  Patience.
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« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2019, 02:07:20 AM »

We will never win a cup with him. They must either give it to strev or lose him in free agency or get someone else. Sad truth is our head coach will go with him and we as fans will suffer another year.
 
full sky is falling panic post with no validity.  Nichols and MOS are here to stay and have brought success and stability to this ball club.  Deep breath.
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« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2019, 02:08:50 AM »

Ever think it's Lapo's play calling? He seems to go into a heroin overdose from game to game and call a brutal game.
This loss is 100% on Lapo, 100%.

You have a runningback and a running game they can?t stop, so why do you go away from it?!? Are you crazy?!? When Willie  reared thrust fumble and recovered it, all we had to do is hand the ball off to #33, 3 times and the game was is done. Why didn?t we do that. The dude s a tank but you?d rather go 2 and out and give them the ball back then watch Kolby play all world and complete every single pass and humiliate us!!! Sickening!!!
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« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2019, 02:08:59 AM »

We miss Adams and Walker wasn't good tonight.  Woli invisible.  Matthews will slowly help.  Patience.
If losing one receiver is why Nichols has been as bad as he has been lately, maybe Nichols is even worse than some say.

As for Walker, I agree. He was very quiet whilst sitting on the sidelines in street clothes since he's on the practice squad
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« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2019, 02:09:24 AM »

Woli82 had 3 ball throw his way for 30 yards. Think about it.
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« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2019, 02:11:12 AM »

This loss is 100% on Lapo, 100%.

You have a runningback and a running game they can?t stop, so why do you go away from it?!? Are you crazy?!? When Willie  reared thrust fumble and recovered it, all we had to do is hand the ball off to #33, 3 times and the game was is done. Why didn?t we do that. The dude s a tank but you?d rather go 2 and out and give them the ball back then watch Kolby play all world and complete every single pass and humiliate us!!! Sickening!!!

Disagree all on Lapo.  But yes run the rock.
If losing one receiver is why Nichols has been as bad as he has been lately, maybe Nichols is even worse than some say.

As for Walker, I agree. He was very quiet whilst sitting on the sidelines in street clothes since he's on the practice squad

Show how good Adams is, not how bad Nichols is.
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« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2019, 02:11:36 AM »

Mods threatened to ban me for hating on Nichols earlier this week. Well ...
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« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2019, 02:12:11 AM »

Mods threatened to ban me for hating on Nichols earlier this week. Well ...

Your rants didn't make sense and we not backed by facts.  Your extreme views will likely get you banned.
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« Reply #25 on: August 02, 2019, 02:14:06 AM »

Your rants didn't make sense and we not backed by facts.  Your extreme views will likely get you banned.

My discussion points made perfect sense. You've demonstrated time and again you're reading comprehension is incredibly lacking.

Just saying TOAD KNOWS once again.
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« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2019, 02:14:44 AM »

Extreme views, wow. And your views are???
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« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2019, 02:17:04 AM »

Extreme views, wow. And your views are???

Based on how I see the football club.  I take the long view, patience pays off.
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« Reply #28 on: August 02, 2019, 02:18:58 AM »

Show how good Adams is, not how bad Nichols is.
Mmm no. Adam's is good but if you think he is that good, you're out to lunch. Elite QBs win with what they're given at receiver, or at least give their team a fighting chance.

So essentially you're saying that Adams is our passing game, but just because Nichols apparently needs one receiver to win that doesn't mean he isn't good.

So our scouts must not be good at finding receivers then, if we can't lose one receiver without crumbling offensively. Keep in mind BLM won a GC with Rodgers and I believe Jorden
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« Reply #29 on: August 02, 2019, 02:19:21 AM »

full sky is falling panic post with no validity.  Nichols and MOS are here to stay and have brought success and stability to this ball club.  Deep breath.

Just like last year it went South rather quickly guess you forgot.  They better right the ship very quickly with games coming up with Calgary, Edmonton and Sask. Richie Hall defence will be torched if he lays of the receivers by 10 to 15 yards. Lapolice has no imagination whatsoever with vanilla play calling and schemes.
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« Reply #30 on: August 02, 2019, 02:21:33 AM »

Mmm no. Adam's is good but if you think he is that good, you're out to lunch. Elite QBs win with what they're given at receiver, or at least give their team a fighting chance.

So essentially you're saying that Adams is our passing game, but just because Nichols apparently needs one receiver to win that doesn't mean he isn't good.

So our scouts must not be good at finding receivers then, if we can't lose one receiver without crumbling offensively. Keep in mind BLM won a GC with Rodgers and I believe Jorden

This is what I said.  We miss Adams and his departure shows how valuable he is.  It doesn't show how bad Matt is like you said.  The rest of what you are saying is just you trying to one up me and put words in my mouth.  Yes Adams is our best receiver.   Thanks for coming out.
Just like last year it went South rather quickly guess you forgot.  They better right the ship very quickly with games coming up with Calgary, Edmonton and Sask. Richie Hall defence will be torched if he lays of the receivers by 10 to 15 yards. Lapolice has no imagination whatsoever with vanilla play calling and schemes.

5/2.  Lapo is one of the best OC's in the league.   Hall is at least average.  5-2.  Calm down, deep breaths. 
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« Reply #31 on: August 02, 2019, 02:22:44 AM »

I find it hard to say anything good about Nichols.
He is a non championship caliber QB
'Nuff said!
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« Reply #32 on: August 02, 2019, 02:26:29 AM »

This is what I said.  We miss Adams and his departure shows how valuable he is.  It doesn't show how bad Matt is like you said.  The rest of what you are saying is just you trying to one up me and put words in my mouth.  Yes Adams is our best receiver.   Thanks for coming out.
No, you said our lack of passing game is because Adam's is gone and said that that shows how good he is. What I'm saying is if that's the case, that's a terrible look for the team. If your offense falls apart because one receiver is out, there obviously an issue there. Injuries happen and if one injury to an non-QB destroys your offense, that's an issue with either scouting (can't bring in serviceable backup receivers), coaching (can't maximize what you do have, adjust to injuries) or at QB (can't play well without one receiver). Which one is it?
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« Reply #33 on: August 02, 2019, 02:27:33 AM »

https://www.cfl.ca/players/matt-nichols/157693/

18K yards in the air, yeah that's terrible, cut him now, start Strev lOL
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« Reply #34 on: August 02, 2019, 02:30:19 AM »

No, you said our lack of passing game is because Adam's is gone and said that that shows how good he is. What I'm saying is if that's the case, that's a terrible look for the team. If your offense falls apart because one receiver is out, there obviously an issue there. Injuries happen and if one injury to an non-QB destroys your offense, that's an issue with either scouting (can't bring in serviceable backup receivers), coaching (can't maximize what you do have, adjust to injuries) or at QB (can't play well without one receiver). Which one is it?

I didn't say any of that, fact check time.  I said we missed Adams and that Adams being out doesn't indicate weakness in Nichols.  Great fake news.  Keep it up.  Yes we should be able to do better when we have injuries.  Adams isn't being replaced with our team depth.
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« Reply #35 on: August 02, 2019, 02:30:26 AM »

https://www.cfl.ca/players/matt-nichols/157693/

18K yards in the air, yeah that's terrible, cut him now, start Strev lOL
Over 7 years.... now I'm not in favor of playing Streveler yet. But that argument sucks. The yardage is fine but that's not necessarily an argument to keep him in. Whose to say Streveler doesn't get 19k in 7 years?
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« Reply #36 on: August 02, 2019, 02:31:31 AM »

I didn't say any of that, fact check time.  I said we missed Adams and that Adams being out doesn't indicate weakness in Nichols.  Great fake news.  Keep it up.  Yes we should be able to do better when we have injuries.  Adams isn't being replaced with our team depth.
But it does indicate a weakness. If Nichols can't win football games without him, that's a problem
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« Reply #37 on: August 02, 2019, 02:32:18 AM »

But it does indicate a weakness. If Nichols can't win football games without him, that's a problem

agree that it shows weakness and an issue that we will need to figure out
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« Reply #38 on: August 02, 2019, 02:33:47 AM »

Give Matt the first half and before he folds give Streveler a shot in the second....do something to end this b.s.
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« Reply #39 on: August 02, 2019, 02:34:36 AM »

 
 Bottom line is something like this. The highest paid players by far in our league are the QBs. You do not pay a starter elite money to stand on the sideline and hope the D will win the game for him. You have to do more than that in the second half, when momentum starts to shift. You have to put a lot of this loss on Nichols.
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« Reply #40 on: August 02, 2019, 02:35:21 AM »

agree that it shows weakness and an issue that we will need to figure out
Thats what I've been saying! If Nichols collapses because one receiver is gone, that isn't a good look for Nichols!
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« Reply #41 on: August 02, 2019, 02:35:39 AM »

Disagree all on Lapo.  But yes run the rock.
Show how good Adams is, not how bad Nichols is.
You can disagree on Lapo all you want. That was the poorest called game I have ever saw. A blind man could have saw we were manhandling them with the run, they couldn?t stop it, so why go away from it???

If you listened to the post game, you could tell Harris was extremely p*ssed about not getting the ball. He didn?t agree with the game that was called, as are the rest of us who know a thing or 2 about football.

 That was the worst called game ever
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« Reply #42 on: August 02, 2019, 02:36:27 AM »

You can disagree on Lapo all you want. That was the poorest called game I have ever saw. A blind man could have saw we were manhandling them with the run, they couldn?t stop it, so why go away from it???

If you listened to the post game, you could tell Harris was extremely p*ssed about not getting the ball. He didn?t agree with the game that was called, as are the rest of us who know a thing or 2 about football.

 That was the worst called game ever

huge over reaction

Lapo called a decent game but yes we screwed up the end
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« Reply #43 on: August 02, 2019, 02:37:54 AM »

Thats what I've been saying! If Nichols collapses because one receiver is gone, that isn't a good look for Nichols!

It will get sorted as the group will improve and when Adams comes back we will be golden at receiver as long as the other guys don't go down.
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« Reply #44 on: August 02, 2019, 02:41:12 AM »

It will get sorted as the group will improve and when Adams comes back we will be golden at receiver as long as the other guys don't go down.
It better. But no Adam's is no excuse for today. We had a week to prepare
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« Reply #45 on: August 02, 2019, 02:44:47 AM »

We didn't lose because we didn't have Adams. It was a poorly called game and a bad game all around.
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« Reply #46 on: August 02, 2019, 02:52:18 AM »

It better. But no Adam's is no excuse for today. We had a week to prepare

a couple more weeks will tune em up I think
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« Reply #47 on: August 02, 2019, 02:52:56 AM »

aaaaaaaaaannnnnd the forum has gone into complete chaos. As one ought to expect from losing to the Argos.
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« Reply #48 on: August 02, 2019, 02:53:52 AM »

a couple more weeks will tune em up I think
If we keep this up in a couple weeks we could be 5-4 and fighting for a crossover spot
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« Reply #49 on: August 02, 2019, 02:57:45 AM »

aaaaaaaaaannnnnd the forum has gone into complete chaos. As one ought to expect from losing to the Argos.

is it worse than the last few years? or just going back to the gutter?
If we keep this up in a couple weeks we could be 5-4 and fighting for a crossover spot


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« Reply #50 on: August 02, 2019, 03:26:35 AM »

Lapo's playcalling is a product of his lack of trust in Nichols I think.  Also, Nichols constant checkdowns  throws are his fault not Paul's.  Do you all think Lapo tells Nichols to throw behind the first down markers 80% of the time?  Pretty unlikely.  Matt fails to get past his first read...that and his poor mobility ultimately means he checks down to the closest receiver resulting in short gains.

Nichols had 27 yards total passing in the second half.  Hid leading receiver was the running back.  Neither of those things should happen.

Matt is what he is - a thoroughly unremarkable, immobile average QB with above average talent around him that boosts some of his numbers (ie Qb wins)  His inconsistent production for much of his career will not change as he has been playing in the CFL for over 8 years.  Quarterbacks do not become better after age 32.

We basically have to hope we can finish first and Nichols somehow manages 2 good games in a row (West Final and Grey Cup) while the rest of team around him (specifically O-line, Harris, defense and special teams) plays excellent, to win the Grey Cup.  We certainly cannot expect Nichols to play great for one, let alone two games, to win the grand prize.  After all, he has rarely had great games since the first half of the 2017 season, so why should we expect him to now?

It's a tall task and probably unlikely, but I won't say it's impossible to win a Cup with him.

I wish we had a better QB.
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« Reply #51 on: August 02, 2019, 03:28:23 AM »

Lapo's playcalling is a product of his lack of trust in Nichols I think.  Also, Nichols constant checkdowns  throws are his fault not Paul's.  Do you all think Lapo tells Nichols to throw behind the first down markers 80% of the time?  Pretty unlikely.  Matt fails to get past his first read...that and his poor mobility ultimately means he checks down to the closest receiver resulting in short gains.

Nichols had 27 yards total passing in the second half.  Hid leading receiver was the running back.  Neither of those things should happen.

Matt is what he is - a thoroughly unremarkable, immobile average QB with above average talent around him that boosts some of his numbers (ie Qb wins)  His inconsistent production for much of his career will not change as he has been playing in the CFL for over 8 years.  Quarterbacks do not become better after age 32.

We basically have to hope we can finish first and Nichols somehow manages 2 good games in a row (West Final and Grey Cup) while the rest of team around him (specifically O-line, Harris, defense and special teams) plays excellent, to win the Grey Cup.  We certainly cannot expect Nichols to play great for one, let alone two games, to win the grand prize.  After all, he has rarely had great games since the first half of the 2017 season, so why should we expect him to now?

It's a tall task and probably unlikely, but I won't say it's impossible to win a Cup with him.

I wish we had a better QB.

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« Reply #52 on: August 02, 2019, 03:34:19 AM »

Lapo's playcalling is a product of his lack of trust in Nichols I think.  Also, Nichols constant checkdowns  throws are his fault not Paul's.  Do you all think Lapo tells Nichols to throw behind the first down markers 80% of the time?  Pretty unlikely.  Matt fails to get past his first read...that and his poor mobility ultimately means he checks down to the closest receiver resulting in short gains.

Nichols had 27 yards total passing in the second half.  Hid leading receiver was the running back.  Neither of those things should happen.

Matt is what he is - a thoroughly unremarkable, immobile average QB with above average talent around him that boosts some of his numbers (ie Qb wins)  His inconsistent production for much of his career will not change as he has been playing in the CFL for over 8 years.  Quarterbacks do not become better after age 32.

We basically have to hope we can finish first and Nichols somehow manages 2 good games in a row (West Final and Grey Cup) while the rest of team around him (specifically O-line, Harris, defense and special teams) plays excellent, to win the Grey Cup.  We certainly cannot expect Nichols to play great for one, let alone two games, to win the grand prize.  After all, he has rarely had great games since the first half of the 2017 season, so why should we expect him to now?

It's a tall task and probably unlikely, but I won't say it's impossible to win a Cup with him.

I wish we had a better QB.
No, but nichols has to pass  the ball when a pass play is called and he snd harris must spit in the huddle when Lapo calls the plays in. You can see the team physically sag when we start going 2 and out because of our feeble passing game. A blind man can see this, why doesn?t Lapo?!?
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« Reply #53 on: August 02, 2019, 03:55:45 AM »

disagree with everything you wrote

Cool, you are wrong though.
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« Reply #54 on: August 02, 2019, 03:59:34 AM »

No, but nichols has to pass  the ball when a pass play is called and he snd harris must spit in the huddle when Lapo calls the plays in. You can see the team physically sag when we start going 2 and out because of our feeble passing game. A blind man can see this, why doesn?t Lapo?!?

Nichols passes the ball all right when a pass play is called...unfortunately it is almost always a check down.  The last couple of weeks he has been down right brutal on most of the his passes whether they are complete or incomplete.  There may have been a couple of times he has hit a receiver in the mitts, but usually  the ball is overthrown, underthrown, behind the receiver, too far in front of the receiver.  Nichols is nearly incapable of hitting a receiver in stride even with shorter passes, not always, but often enough to make you question how he can ever be considered a good CFL Qb.
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« Reply #55 on: August 02, 2019, 04:12:12 AM »

Cool, you are wrong though.

Lapo plans his attack with Nichols and the rest of the teams skill sets in mind.  Nichols can throw the ball down field.  it's not all check downs as you say.  Nichols can read a defense.  Both of my points are proven by his record and countless big plays he has made this year and in the past.  Yes it's a ball control offense.  It works well and sometimes the opposition figures it out.  Football is cat and mouse, right now we need to come up with a better game plan and execution for next week. 

Yes he struggled in the 2nd the half.  Matt is more than average and the talent around is also good.  His numbers over his career are very good and a result of his team mates, his coaches and his own consistent play.  You suggest that Matt can't win it all for us which is based on his recent loses in the playoffs.  This team is different and better.  We don't need to finish 1st to win the cup but it would be much easier.  This team can compete against anyone in the league and the parity is such that will make an amazing CFL season.  We are an above average ball club with a good veteran QB that can take us to the cup.  We have as good as chance at that as any other team and more talent than we have had in the recent past.
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« Reply #56 on: August 02, 2019, 04:14:15 AM »

Earlier in the season the passing game found success with the deep ball. That is unsustainable and that has come to fruition. The short and intermediate passing game has struggled with the exception of the Ottawa home game.

If LaPo lacked confidence in Nichols, why did we throw 48 times in Hamilton?

If LaPo lacked confidence in Nichols, why did we only run with Harris six times in the second half tonight?

The biggest problem with the offence spends games in the booth, not on the field.
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« Reply #57 on: August 02, 2019, 04:27:38 AM »

Based on how I see the football club.  I take the long view, patience pays off.

That's hilarious. You have no objective opinion and add no insight when posting. Your a Homer with a mile thick blue glasses. Take a step back and objectively look at this team, you hold no educated opinions on football, you just harass anyone who suggest the Bombers have the slightest flaw LOL!!!!!
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« Reply #58 on: August 02, 2019, 04:30:00 AM »

disagree with everything you wrote

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« Reply #59 on: August 02, 2019, 04:56:29 AM »

That's hilarious. You have no objective opinion and add no insight when posting. Your a Homer with a mile thick blue glasses. Take a step back and objectively look at this team, you hold no educated opinions on football, you just harass anyone who suggest the Bombers have the slightest flaw LOL!!!!!
Your opinion is rarely in line with what anyone posts on here, you are attacking me as you are constantly proven wrong and need someone to pick on.  This topic is about Nichols not me.  I state my opinions and you can state yours.  Your track record speaks for itself.  I debate with folks when I don't agree, yes I'm positive, that's allowed.  I see a good football club.  I don't mind discussing it's strengths and weaknesses.  I welcome a balanced debate.  Please post your opinion on Nichols, it's not the rant on PJ thread.


Thanks for your deep insightful opinion. You add Sooooooo much to this forum.........

please read post 55 above for my position

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« Reply #60 on: August 02, 2019, 06:34:58 AM »

https://www.cfl.ca/players/matt-nichols/157693/

18K yards in the air, yeah that's terrible, cut him now, start Strev lOL

And never won a big game.

Struggles to roll out. Struggles to escape pressure  Struggles to hit open receivers down field.  Can't pass for 300 yards.  He's bad.

We'll be competitive if he has a good team around him but never win in the playoffs.
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My biggest disappointment with Nichols is his lack of courage when the pressure is on.....a QB needs to carry a team on his back at times when the chips are down and I haven't seen a lot of that from him.   He's been outplayed the last two games by back ups.....both games were winnable and we found a way to lose both.   The TSN panel were hard on the Bombers and for good reasons!
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« Reply #62 on: August 02, 2019, 08:14:50 AM »

I am so pissed off with OShea, Lapo, Nichols .
They don't make observable changes.  It is one thing to support your players, but eventually a guy ain't going to get any better. Nichols really is a second string guy. His yardage totals/game a ref actually embarassing aren't they?

As has been noted. When does he make a big play.

We needed one pass completion for a first down, and he throws behind. The receiver.....now how many times has this. Happened?  Lots.


Imagine if we had a real number one QB.  At this time that would be any other team in the.   CFL
I am done on Nichols.  He will never win a big game. NEVER! 

Unless they change QBs the team will win a few more and. Be stifled for many more. 
Maybe Nichols has a broken arm and can't throw more than. Fifteen yards.
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« Reply #63 on: August 02, 2019, 10:43:53 AM »

Special teams, had some issues
Defence had some issues
Offence had some issues

IMO all the issues aside we had the lead inside of 2 minutes and our defence via Willy Jefferson gift wrapped the game for us, he caused a fumble and recovered it, snuffing out a good T.O drive.

 I don't care what happened prior to that that point in the game. At that point of the game it is a game with-in a game and to win all you need to do is get 1 or 2 first down to seal the deal and win. That's all at that point of the game it doesn't matter what happened 3 plays ago or what the other team is doing, you have 1 job, play the clock and execute your assignment. It doesn't matter how tired or sore you are you fight it and win your one on one battle for 4-6 more plays, your drive your desire your anger at that point in a game should be so high everything else slows down.....

but we couldn't do it. not just we couldn't do it we throw an incomplete pass stop the clock and give T.O the ball back after an incredibly quick 2 and out. Is it all Nichols fault no...but he is the highest paid player, he touches the ball every play, he is the leader, he is the one who controls the ultimate destiny and he again couldn't get it done.

MBT got the ball back, he was gift wrapped the game by our offensive inability and what did he do....he wanted it, he took punishment for it, he made it happen he not just got 1 or 2 first downs, he completed the touchdown, including threading a tight 3rd and 7 gamble. Honestly be honest do you think Nichols could have made that throw? do you think Nichols would have stood in and took the hits he took to make the completions he did, do you think Nichols could/would have used his legs when the defenders were covered and rushed for the first downs he did? My answer is no, Nichols panicked threw the ball away, never looked at taking off, and he never threaded the needle, he never even took a small risk even with the game on the line.

So in short is this game all on Nichols, no....not even close but the team gave him the chance and he couldn't close it out.....again!
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« Reply #64 on: August 02, 2019, 11:58:42 AM »

He is not a elite quarterback!!

Didn?t we win grey cups with burgess and Salisbury?  Elite QBs?
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« Reply #65 on: August 02, 2019, 03:32:32 PM »

Lapo's playcalling is a product of his lack of trust in Nichols I think.  Also, Nichols constant checkdowns  throws are his fault not Paul's.  Do you all think Lapo tells Nichols to throw behind the first down markers 80% of the time?  Pretty unlikely.  Matt fails to get past his first read...that and his poor mobility ultimately means he checks down to the closest receiver resulting in short gains.

Nichols had 27 yards total passing in the second half.  Hid leading receiver was the running back.  Neither of those things should happen.

Matt is what he is - a thoroughly unremarkable, immobile average QB with above average talent around him that boosts some of his numbers (ie Qb wins)  His inconsistent production for much of his career will not change as he has been playing in the CFL for over 8 years.  Quarterbacks do not become better after age 32.

We basically have to hope we can finish first and Nichols somehow manages 2 good games in a row (West Final and Grey Cup) while the rest of team around him (specifically O-line, Harris, defense and special teams) plays excellent, to win the Grey Cup.  We certainly cannot expect Nichols to play great for one, let alone two games, to win the grand prize.  After all, he has rarely had great games since the first half of the 2017 season, so why should we expect him to now?

It's a tall task and probably unlikely, but I won't say it's impossible to win a Cup with him.

I wish we had a better QB.

Your first sentence is bang on and what Lapo does when he first sees the signs of Nichols struggling is to revert back to terrible game plan and playing calling... Laptop sees it as 'safe' but all it does is put everything in shut down... D line keys on it and sends pressure, Nichols is hurried, gets flustered and starts the check down play, which takes us no where...

Nichols has shown that he can have success with this team, o line, and receivers when given a decent game plan... No, he's not elite... Capable would be more appropriate, but only when given something that includes something other than handing off and passing to Harris and beyond 10 yards down field...
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« Reply #66 on: August 02, 2019, 04:36:26 PM »

Your first sentence is bang on and what Lapo does when he first sees the signs of Nichols struggling is to revert back to terrible game plan and playing calling... Laptop sees it as 'safe' but all it does is put everything in shut down... D line keys on it and sends pressure, Nichols is hurried, gets flustered and starts the check down play, which takes us no where...

Nichols has shown that he can have success with this team, o line, and receivers when given a decent game plan... No, he's not elite... Capable would be more appropriate, but only when given something that includes something other than handing off and passing to Harris and beyond 10 yards down field...

Capable with a thin skin of confidence easily pierced by adversity. Just like last year. He'll come out of the skaken confidence thing as he usually does and then his defenders believe all are silenced. But there is no turning back for him. It's Grey Cup or bust for Matt Nichols.

And by the way Strev is not a starter at this point. I have more concerns about him this year as I think he has regressed. Sean McGuire has obvious capabilities in the pocket which have yet to be exploited. But as long as the stubborn coach continues to let Nichols either lay eggs or if the game is beyond reach for the opposition, continue with Nichols then the team is asking for trouble.
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« Reply #67 on: August 02, 2019, 04:42:57 PM »

I am so pissed off with OShea, Lapo, Nichols .
They don't make observable changes.  It is one thing to support your players, but eventually a guy ain't going to get any better. Nichols really is a second string guy. His yardage totals/game a ref actually embarassing aren't they?

As has been noted. When does he make a big play.

We needed one pass completion for a first down, and he throws behind. The receiver.....now how many times has this. Happened?  Lots.


Imagine if we had a real number one QB.  At this time that would be any other team in the.   CFL
I am done on Nichols.  He will never win a big game. NEVER! 



This coaching staff can only be successful if everything is going there way.  When faced with adversity they choke and can't adapt.  They keep doing the same thing over and over again. I am just fed up with this entire organization, and after this year they have to clean out the house of these coaches.  Nichols can not be the starting QB next year.  He is a good backup and nothing more.
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« Reply #68 on: August 02, 2019, 04:52:34 PM »

Didn?t we win grey cups with burgess and Salisbury?  Elite QBs?

But didn't we have a really good and consistent defense both times?  We certainly don't have one now.
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« Reply #69 on: August 02, 2019, 05:12:08 PM »

I have been sitting on the fence about Matt Nichols ever since he got here.  I want to think he's the one, and sometimes he has me convinced.  Right now i'm feeling - "no -this is NOT the guy".  Maybe after the next few weeks he'll win me back.  But that is the crux of the problem with Nichols - he is to inconsistent.  He has never shown a flair for winning "the big game", and lately, can't mount a come from behind victory.  A game manager is not what is needed to win in the CFL.  We need a game game changer.  Several other teams have been able to find a dynamic, multi-faceted QB that can win games with much less starting experience than Matt Nichols has.  I'll sit on the fence a few more games, but I think Nichols and the BB coaching/management team is running out of chances to convert me and other fence sitters about their choice of starting QB, and our chance of ever winning a cup.
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« Reply #70 on: August 02, 2019, 05:26:02 PM »

He is not a elite quarterback!!

Oh groan! How soon the hysteria starts. It was predicted though. Posters said that after one or two losses the love-in would end and the bagbiting would begin.

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« Reply #71 on: August 02, 2019, 05:34:35 PM »

Of course we won with Sals and Burgess.  They were game Managers.
The difference was that they stood in the pocket and did not cower under pressure or duress.  They probably had dependable O linemen.

Nichols is being hit every play, if he doesn't chuck and duck after catching the ball.
To get a second and certainly a third or fourth read. He has to break out of the pocket. AmscramnlingnQB is not something he is.

It's been a few years, and. bombers brass have not been able to get and keep a winning group of linemen to protect a NFL type pocket passer QB like Nichols is.

There is tuenover in every team, but their management finds players that can effectively perform at the CFL level.

Bombers under this. Management group, have had five years.  There is no significant growth to the Top level. Nichols, or Grey, or Neufeld, or Fenner or whoever.  All are,nice young men.  It's been demonstrated by some of them and others, they can't play at this level to a championship level.  Oh yes dunderheads, they can put on equipment and be trotted out on game day.  But some of them depending on the opportunity, have to make plays.

If Grey is. Getting steamrolled almost every play -'get someone else.
If Nichols, is unable,to find a secondary. Receiver, move on, cut him.
It's been five years of inability.

Wade got us out of the  Mack Brendan Tamam debacle , then they went cheap and hired a zero expensive head coach, and Walters yet again struck out on a number one QB, and we settled for Willy, then Nichols.

Again in this fantasize abiutbgetting a  Former Grey Cup winning QB here,,who is mobile and can throw for 300 yds a game.mmgo ahead fantasize.  While doing that fantasize about Pamela Amderson, C?te de Pablo, and others ( while you are at it) lol!

Five years?! What other sport organization holds onto ineptitude and considers it a virtue, like Winnipeg?
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« Reply #72 on: August 02, 2019, 06:31:30 PM »

And never won a big game.

Struggles to roll out. Struggles to escape pressure  Struggles to hit open receivers down field.  Can't pass for 300 yards.  He's bad. 
We'll be competitive if he has a good team around him but never win in the playoffs.
 
Mobility isn't great yes.  Can escape pressure at times.  Had found his medium and deep ball this year just fine.  Has passed for 300 in the pass.  He isn't bad.  Has played well all season with a couple of bad games
 
Of course we won with Sals and Burgess.  They were game Managers.
The difference was that they stood in the pocket and did not cower under pressure or duress.  They probably had dependable O linemen.

Nichols is being Mobility isn't great yes.  Can escape pressure at times.  Had found his medium and deep ball this year just fine.  Has passed for 300 in the pass.  He isn't badhit every play, if he doesn't chuck and duck after catching the ball.
To get a second and certainly a third or fourth read. He has to break out of the pocket. AmscramnlingnQB is not something he is.

It's been a few years, and. bombers brass have not been able to get and keep a winning group of linemen to protect a NFL type pocket passer QB like Nichols is.

There is tuenover in every team, but their management finds players that can effectively perform at the CFL level.

Bombers under this. Management group, have had five years.  There is no significant growth to the Top level. Nichols, or Grey, or Neufeld, or Fenner or whoever.  All are,nice young men.  It's been demonstrated by some of them and others, they can't play at this level to a championship level.  Oh yes dunderheads, they can put on equipment and be trotted out on game day.  But some of them depending on the opportunity, have to make plays.

If Grey is. Getting steamrolled almost every play -'get someone else.
If Nichols, is unable,to find a secondary. Receiver, move on, cut him.
It's been five years of inability.

Wade got us out of the  Mack Brendan Tamam debacle , then they went cheap and hired a zero expensive head coach, and Walters yet again struck out on a number one QB, and we settled for Willy, then Nichols.

Again in this fantasize abiutbgetting a  Former Grey Cup winning QB here,,who is mobile and can throw for 300 yds a game.mmgo ahead fantasize.  While doing that fantasize about Pamela Amderson, C?te de Pablo, and others ( while you are at it) lol!

Five years?! What other sport organization holds onto ineptitude and considers it a virtue, like Winnipeg?

Gray isn't struggling nearly as bad as you suggest.  This unit started really well and has had a few bad games.  Otherwise the unit is working out pretty well considering the new faces and young guys starting.  Cutting Nichols that sounds like a great idea, wow!



This coaching staff can only be successful if everything is going there way.  When faced with adversity they choke and can't adapt.  They keep doing the same thing over and over again. I am just fed up with this entire organization, and after this year they have to clean out the house of these coaches.  Nichols can not be the starting QB next year.  He is a good backup and nothing more.


There it is, clear the house panic mode.  Makes zero sense.  We are building a great team and hit a bump.  Deep breaths.
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« Reply #73 on: August 02, 2019, 07:19:48 PM »

Oh groan! How soon the hysteria starts. It was predicted though. Posters said that after one or two losses the love-in would end and the bagbiting would begin.

 Roll Eyes

I'm not hysterical, nor have I bitten any bags.  I'm just supremely disappointed.  This wasn't just an ordinary loss.  For heavens sake, we just got beaten by the doormat of the league and after we were ahead by 20 points!
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« Reply #74 on: August 02, 2019, 07:28:32 PM »

 
Mobility isn't great yes.  Can escape pressure at times.  Had found his medium and deep ball this year just fine.  Has passed for 300 in the pass.  He isn't bad.  Has played well all season with a couple of bad games
 
Gray isn't struggling nearly as bad as you suggest.  This unit started really well and has had a few bad games.  Otherwise the unit is working out pretty well considering the new faces and young guys starting.  Cutting Nichols that sounds like a great idea, wow!


There it is, clear the house panic mode.  Makes zero sense.  We are building a great team and hit a bump.  Deep breaths.

Have to disagree - We are building an average team and have yet to play the better teams - no need for deep breaths just a need to face reality.
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« Reply #75 on: August 02, 2019, 08:44:59 PM »

Have to disagree - We are building an average team and have yet to play the better teams - no need for deep breaths just a need to face reality.

I'll wait until we play those top teams to pre decide this teams fate.  Team is above average 5 and 2.
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« Reply #76 on: August 02, 2019, 09:01:02 PM »

He is not a elite quarterback!!
True. And although we don't necessarily need an elite QB we do a better one than Nichols.
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« Reply #77 on: August 02, 2019, 09:17:32 PM »

An honest question; did anyone actually have faith and honestly believe that after the fumble recovery Nichols would engineer a drive that would kill the clock and win the game?
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« Reply #78 on: August 02, 2019, 09:27:41 PM »

An honest question; did anyone actually have faith and honestly believe that after the fumble recovery Nichols would engineer a drive that would kill the clock and win the game?

No but I didn't think our defense would stop them from a 70+ yard drive either. While we could have won if the offense got a 1st down or two, we equally could have won with a defensive stop.

I still think we should have conceded a safety which would have burned off a few more seconds. It was still going to take a TD to win for the Argos and a K/O might have been deeper than the punt.

Why is nobody complaining that the defense couldn't make a play to win in the 70 yard drive?
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« Reply #79 on: August 02, 2019, 10:57:15 PM »

honestly I felt like the game was over once the rouge was conceded... it was destined to be 'that night'...
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« Reply #80 on: August 02, 2019, 11:03:14 PM »

 
Mobility isn't great yes.  Can escape pressure at times.  Had found his medium and deep ball this year just fine.  Has passed for 300 in the pass.  He isn't bad.  Has played well all season with a couple of bad games
 
Gray isn't struggling nearly as bad as you suggest.  This unit started really well and has had a few bad games.  Otherwise the unit is working out pretty well considering the new faces and young guys starting.  Cutting Nichols that sounds like a great idea, wow!


There it is, clear the house panic mode.  Makes zero sense.  We are building a great team and hit a bump.  Deep breaths.

 And he has never won the big game.

 47 passing yards in the second half. 169 passing yards for the game. Yeah definitely an elite quarterback.

 Take a deep breath and get ready for more playoff disappointment if Nichols is at the helm.
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« Reply #81 on: August 02, 2019, 11:11:01 PM »

And he has never won the big game.

 47 passing yards in the second half. 169 passing yards for the game. Yeah definitely an elite quarterback.

 Take a deep breath and get ready for more playoff disappointment if Nichols is at the helm.
The only playoff loss I blame on Nichols is last years in the final. It's not his fault that O'Shea decided to kick a 62 yard or whatever it was FG against BC or that they ran that fake punt against Edmonton that everyone in the stadium saw coming. BTW I'll give you 2 HOF QBs that never won us a Grey Cup Dieter Brock and Matt Dunigan.
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« Reply #82 on: August 03, 2019, 03:00:19 AM »

And he has never won the big game.

 47 passing yards in the second half. 169 passing yards for the game. Yeah definitely an elite quarterback.

 Take a deep breath and get ready for more playoff disappointment if Nichols is at the helm.

1. His career isn't over yet.  He will have many more changes to win the big game.  Starting this year for example.
2. You are nit picking a good vet QB for a bad game.  Yup those numbers are bad.  Perhaps look at his long term number.  They paint a different picture.  Or keep pilling on, either way. LOL
3. We will be a contender again in the playoffs, it's anyone's to win this year and we have a shot.
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« Reply #83 on: August 03, 2019, 04:06:49 AM »

The only playoff loss I blame on Nichols is last years in the final. It's not his fault that O'Shea decided to kick a 62 yard or whatever it was FG against BC or that they ran that fake punt against Edmonton that everyone in the stadium saw coming. BTW I'll give you 2 HOF QBs that never won us a Grey Cup Dieter Brock and Matt Dunigan.

Matt Dunigan won two Grey Cups including in 1991 when he threw two TD's with a broken collar bone. Yes he was playing for Edmonton but he won that huge game and many other big playoff games.  That is the point.

My money would be on Matt Dunigan with a broken collar bone in a playoff game against Matt Nichols every time.
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« Reply #84 on: August 03, 2019, 03:33:27 PM »

Hey, I get that Nichols struggles and all, and I'm not the most happy after the two losses either, but here's the status quo in the CFL. Who exactly are we supposed to get?

--Bo Levi is undoubtedly the best QB, but there's no way Calgary would part with him, and he is also currently injured
--Mike Reilly went from All Star in Edmonton to No Star in BC. Can you imagine how mad they are, especially how much they paid for him?
--Franklin hasn't lived up to the potential that he'd shown in Edmonton since he's joined Toronto even before he was injured, and even Mike Reilly hasn't looked good since leaving
--Trevor Harris is probably the best QB in the league right now, by virtue of that he's not injured. Still, the knock against him is that he throws for lots of yardage and has great stats, but can't win the Cup.
--Masoli, for me, would be the 2nd best QB in the league after BLM, but 2nd best or not doesn't mean much when you're injured for the rest of the season
--MBT can throw for lots of yardage, but is inconsistent--inconsistent enough for the Argos to acquire Zach Collaros
--Collaros is chronically injured and should retire from pro football before he sustains permanent damage to his head and brain
--Fajardo and Arbuckle are pretty good and have shown some promise, but that could be a smokescreen as other teams don't have as much film on them as other QB's. Can they sustain success? The Riders trading Collaros was a bit of a hail mary; they know that Collaros won't be reliable enough for them to bank on him as their starter for the foreseeable future, but Fajardo isn't a known quantity in terms of a full season and what he can do over the course of that time.
-Davis has shown potential, but mostly because he's a high risk QB with lots of interceptions (Ottawa won last night, though Davis still had two int's and unspectacular numbers). Jennings' career may as well be done in the CFL, he is that bad.
-Vernon Adams Jr. has shown potential, but needs to establish a full season before a more objective opinion can be made on him

At some point, putting Streveler in may be a good idea, but when he's been left in the game, he's been errant with his throws and has looked more rushed in the pocket in the games where Nichols has looked relaxed. I love his "win at all costs" attitude and he can run the ball like crazy, but that will also get him injured in short order.....Masoli is a more mobile QB, but he had a non-contact injury. Running puts more strain on things like an ACL.

I'm not understanding who exactly we should have in or acquire at this point, if we are as bad off as some people are making it out to be here.
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« Reply #85 on: August 03, 2019, 03:34:58 PM »

Yet!!!

How about soon.
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« Reply #86 on: August 03, 2019, 03:38:04 PM »

Matt Dunigan won two Grey Cups including in 1991 when he threw two TD's with a broken collar bone. Yes he was playing for Edmonton but he won that huge game and many other big playoff games.  That is the point.

My money would be on Matt Dunigan with a broken collar bone in a playoff game against Matt Nichols every time.
Please, don?t use Matt dunnigan and matt Nichols in the same sentence!! One was a stud the other is a dud!!
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« Reply #87 on: August 03, 2019, 03:44:44 PM »

1. His career isn't over yet.  He will have many more changes to win the big game.  Starting this year for example.
2. You are nit picking a good vet QB for a bad game.  Yup those numbers are bad.  Perhaps look at his long term number.  They paint a different picture.  Or keep pilling on, either way. LOL
3. We will be a contender again in the playoffs, it's anyone's to win this year and we have a shot.

Just for rebuttal
1. He will have many chances - he will fail.
2. He is a vet QB not a good vet QB. Long term he can not win the big game.
3. Yes we have a shot as do all the other teams (well maybe not the Lions). Everyone is a contender - I just do not like our chances with MN leading the charge. He has proven he can not win the big game.

No different painting here. MN will not win the big game for you - end of story.
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« Reply #88 on: August 03, 2019, 04:02:45 PM »

So Nichols in the playoffs for us:

2016-Good game against BC, you can blame the D for not stopping Jennings.
2017-Great stats because we were down 38-17 in the 4th quarter, so he got a ton of garbage time yards which inflated his stats and made the score closer.
2018- Not a great game versus the Riders but we win (behind a huge game from AH) and then he played poorly in a loss to Calgary.

Reality is he has not been great in the playoffs.
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« Reply #89 on: August 03, 2019, 04:59:49 PM »

Just for rebuttal
1. He will have many chances - he will fail.
2. He is a vet QB not a good vet QB. Long term he can not win the big game.
3. Yes we have a shot as do all the other teams (well maybe not the Lions). Everyone is a contender - I just do not like our chances with MN leading the charge. He has proven he can not win the big game.

No different painting here. MN will not win the big game for you - end of story.

No it not the end of the story. It is only 7 games deep. We get it you do not believe in him. Shocker. End of story.
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