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« on: July 06, 2019, 11:21:27 AM »

Just starting the thread... my own GB&U post won't be ready till tomorrow.  Have at it ye of Blue & Gold faith!
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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2019, 12:46:22 PM »

Good

Jefferson(beast all night long)
Harris
Nichols
Woli
Fenner(nice pick to cap it off)
CC and Matt in the booth
No TDs given up
OSH first challenge
Wilson in a pinch

Bad

Nelson yikes
Misses by Medlock but made up for it points wise with the recovery


Ugly

Nichols collision
Mathews collision 
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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2019, 01:07:57 PM »

Good

The defense as a unit.  Individual accolades are deserved, but they all played very well.  No TDs allowed again.  Was Sinopoli even targeted?  What?s the CFL record for most games without allowing an offensive TD?
Miller - he was on fire.  Amazing how he made nearly every ST tackle.
Fenner - he deservedly was dumped on over the last two weeks, good bounceback game.
Rose - two turnovers, after missing a few over the first two games.
Jefferson - just pure aggression and drive
Medlock (the punter) - Good punting all night, and great play when we absolutely needed it.
Streveler (the short yardage guy) - did a solid job when executing the packages he practices for.
Nichols- great game Until he got hurt.  Had he stayed in we win by 40.
Harris- just doing what he does.  Needs a new chinstrap though
Adams - great circus catch, and a few other solid receptions
Woli and Demski had fairly solid games as well.

The Bad

The micro collapse after Nichols went down.
Medlock (the FG kicker) - I get that Justin is a little out of practice because we score TDs more often on offence this season, but missing two in a row in not cool.
Streveler (the mid game replacement QB) - did not play well.  Granted, he had two bad series, which were not directly his fault, which likely messed up his game a bit.

The Ugly

Stupid penalties- In particular Hardrick pancaking a defender on the ground after the ball is gone.  It actually worked out in our favour as we burned more clock, but that usually doesn?t turn out well.
The non call on the Harris face mask.
The non call on Streveler getting earholed.
Nelson playing himself out of a job.


 
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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2019, 01:17:32 PM »

Good - the Bend don't Break D
Miller - did he set a new club record for ST tackles?

The Bad - all the injuries

The h'Ugly - Nichols being out
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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2019, 01:18:08 PM »

The Bad.

We allowed 1 offensive TD in 3 games. None in the last 2 games.  This must stop or there will be consequences. lol Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2019, 01:21:12 PM »

The Bad.

We allowed 1 offensive TD in 3 games. None in the last 2 games.  This must stop or there will be consequences. lol Smiley

Fire Hall!!!  Fire him and our god awful secondary as a one-shot solution to their excellent work.. 




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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2019, 01:24:44 PM »

Oh ya I forgot Miller. What a player!
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« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2019, 01:44:16 PM »

Good;
our record
coaching challenges
Fenner bounced back
Our D-line while not massive in the stats department, is soooooo good
Medlocks hustle on the punt
How fast the young O-line is coming together, and the mean streak they carry
Woli is turning into Mr. clutch
Harris showed last week was an anomaly
Demski is holding onto the rock
Miller was in straight beast mode

Bad;
Nichols taking a few late hits
Medlock missing 2 in a row....Expect him to bounce back

Ugly;
Mathews luck with injury
Nichols injury


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« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2019, 01:53:02 PM »

Good

The defense as a unit.  Individual accolades are deserved, but they all played very well.  No TDs allowed again.  Was Sinopoli even targeted?  What?s the CFL record for most games without allowing an offensive TD?
Miller - he was on fire.  Amazing how he made nearly every ST tackle.
Fenner - he deservedly was dumped on over the last two weeks, good bounceback game.
Rose - two turnovers, after missing a few over the first two games.
Jefferson - just pure aggression and drive
Medlock (the punter) - Good punting all night, and great play when we absolutely needed it.
Streveler (the short yardage guy) - did a solid job when executing the packages he practices for.
Nichols- great game Until he got hurt.  Had he stayed in we win by 40.
Harris- just doing what he does.  Needs a new chinstrap though
Adams - great circus catch, and a few other solid receptions
Woli and Demski had fairly solid games as well.

This.  I don't know how many times the words "Oh, crap!" were coming out of my mouth when it appeared that he had been stopped short, and then he would break through the arm tackles and gains another 4-5 yards.
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« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2019, 02:10:30 PM »

The Good:
  • Demski wide open for 82 Yards, giving us a lead 3 minutes in that we never give up.
  • Adams: Dug one out of the dirt then the amazing catch on the 10.
  • Medlock's recovery on the 4 after a stupid Lankford mistake. Turned the game back in our favour.
  • MOS' first challenge. A 50-50 chance... that went our way.
  • Dominant Defence: Kept them under 260 yards, out of the end zone and off the field.
  • Miller: Special teams demon.
  • Streveler: 2 Rushing TD's and a beauty of a passing TD. (Can't blame him for the tipped INT or the receivers fumble.)
  • Nichols: Quick decisions and nice touch on his deep balls.
  • Winning all the major parts of the stat line... Passing, Rushing, TOP, Total yards, Penalties
  • Wolli: TD and dug a couple out of the dirt to extend drives.
The Bad:
  • MOS' second challenge of the challenge officials first ruling.
  • Medlock missing 2 FG's. That's as rare as Harris fumbling twice in the same game.
  • Refs gotta call that face masking on Harris.
  • Matthews injured again.
  • Harris's hat. Gotta tighten the chin strap.
  • Ottawa's RTP's. Both were way late, stupid and extended drives.
The Ugly:
  • Nichols injury. At least he was back on the sidelines not hiding from noise and light.
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« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2019, 02:32:18 PM »

The Good
-Our offence with Nichols
-Our defence
-Medlock the punter

The Bad
-Medlock the kicker
-Nelson. Like I said, he's a fringe player taking a DI spot we might not realistically be able to keep for him. Putting the ball on the ground twice makes taking him off the AR much easier.

The Ugly
-Nichols "slide" or lack of. That recklessness could have cost us the game

-Hardricks penalty. I understand the fun in roughing up a guy behind the play and luckily it didn't cost us a TD in the sense Streveler punched it in later on. But that was as dumb a penalty as one can take
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« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2019, 02:38:44 PM »

To be fair to Medlock his two missed field goals were wide by less than a foot.
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« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2019, 02:42:34 PM »

To be fair to Medlock his two missed field goals were wide by less than a foot.
Close doesn't count. It's not grenade throwing or atom bomb dropping. It's either in or out.
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« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2019, 02:48:37 PM »

Close doesn't count. It's not grenade throwing or atom bomb dropping. It's either in or out.

Blame the holder!  Should have kept Bennett!!!  Grin
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« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2019, 03:15:01 PM »

The Good
-the D-  o majors allowed, again!!! That **** Hall doesn?t know what he?s doing!!
-the O- great diversity and execution of play calling

The Bad
-did brad Sinopoli even play last night?? I can?t recall hearing his name at all, kudos to our D

The Ugly
-the non call on the facemask on Harris that ripped his helmet off. Seriously, how do you miss that?!? And why can?t command centre/eye in the sky call that when the refs miss it. No way anyone should get away with a major foul to the head
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« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2019, 03:39:40 PM »

I remember Sinopoli catching at least 2 balls both were short gainers.
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« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2019, 04:10:21 PM »

The bad:

Both teams went two-and-out on their opening possessions.

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« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2019, 05:14:05 PM »

Blame the holder!  Should have kept Bennett!!!  Grin

Or Dressler  Cheesy
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« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2019, 05:25:04 PM »

Or Dressler  Cheesy
Toby Maguire is the holder right?
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« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2019, 05:34:36 PM »

The Good
-the D-  o majors allowed, again!!! That **** Hall doesn?t know what he?s doing!!
-the O- great diversity and execution of play calling

The Bad
-did brad Sinopoli even play last night?? I can?t recall hearing his name at all, kudos to our D

The Ugly
-the non call on the facemask on Harris that ripped his helmet off. Seriously, how do you miss that?!? And why can?t command centre/eye in the sky call that when the refs miss it. No way anyone should get away with a major foul to the head

Agree, those types of plays that could result in serious injury need to be called by the command centre if the on filed officials miss it.
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« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2019, 05:36:21 PM »

Agree, those types of plays that could result in serious injury need to be called by the command centre if the on filed officials miss it.

Why doesn?t Harris have his lid on better though? His is always falling off. 
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« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2019, 06:30:33 PM »

Why doesn?t Harris have his lid on better though? His is always falling off. 

I think that plays a part in the refs. not calling the penalty, his lid comes off 2 or 3 times every game so it doesn't surprise anyone.  He wears his helmet so loose he can put it on or take it off without even unbuckling the chin strap.  Frankly I think it should become a penalized safety infraction.
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« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2019, 08:16:44 PM »

Good
The play of Nichols before he got hit.
The special teams tackles by Miller.
The play of the defence. Once again they did not give up an offensive TD.
The heads up play by Medlock when he knocked the ball out of bounds with his knee.

Bad
The production of the offence after Nichols was injured.
The bad injury luck of Matthews.

Ugly
The injury to Nichols depending on how much time he misses.
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« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2019, 08:20:31 PM »

I think that plays a part in the refs. not calling the penalty, his lid comes off 2 or 3 times every game so it doesn't surprise anyone.  He wears his helmet so loose he can put it on or take it off without even unbuckling the chin strap.  Frankly I think it should become a penalized safety infraction.

Frankly you are starting to sound like a grumpy old fart!
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« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2019, 01:57:48 AM »

Frankly you are starting to sound like a grumpy old fart!

True to a point....but his point about his helmet is truthful.  He needs it on tighter.
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« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2019, 02:43:21 AM »

Why don?t  the pros have 3 play rule like amateur football?? Anytime a players helmet comes off (and there?s no facemasking or foul to get it off), the player is given a 10 yd penalty AND  has to come off for 3 plays, and why isn?t the play whistled dead when the ball carriers helmet comes off like in amateur football?? If the rules were the same, guaranteed harris?s Helmet doesnt come off as he d be sitting out some serious time and get tagged 10 yds everytime
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« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2019, 03:26:01 AM »

Fire Hall!!!  Fire him and our god awful secondary as a one-shot solution to their excellent work.. 




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This is awesome.  Crickets on the anti Hall rants lately.  Patience pays off.
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« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2019, 04:06:28 AM »

Good

The Blue Bombers.  I think we will do well in the west, the playoffs and hopefully the Grey Cup.  Some will argue it's premature but looking at the teams, east and west, this weekend, we are looking pretty darn good.

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« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2019, 09:45:57 AM »

Blame the holder!  Should have kept Bennett!!!  Grin

Maybe much truth to that (and you stole my thunder in my GB&U!)... Medlock has always said in pressers that he is super particular/picky as to who his holder is.  He gets major say in who holds for him.  He needs to build a rapport.  How many FG's did Meddy attempt (in-season) with McGuire before that game?  1?  2?  Not enough to get that rapport, assuming he'll ever get it with that guy.

I remember Sinopoli catching at least 2 balls both were short gainers.

Sinopoli has been extremely quiet since mid-2018!  He was a non-factor in the GC.  I think he's lost it.

Why don?t  the pros have 3 play rule like amateur football?? Anytime a players helmet comes off (and there?s no facemasking or foul to get it off), the player is given a 10 yd penalty AND  has to come off for 3 plays, and why isn?t the play whistled dead when the ball carriers helmet comes off like in amateur football?? If the rules were the same, guaranteed harris?s Helmet doesnt come off as he d be sitting out some serious time and get tagged 10 yds everytime

Don't like penalizing players for helmets off.

However, the refs did whistle that Harris play dead the instant they saw his helmet was off and he was still chugging.  The whistle went well before his progress was seriously impeded, and he would have gotten 5 more yards if the play continued.

In that sense we got double-screwed by the non-FM call... less yards due to no helmet whistle, and no penalty yards awarded.
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« Reply #29 on: July 07, 2019, 12:48:23 PM »

I like the idea of penalizing players for not tightening their chinstraps. It's a safety issue.

Harris isn't actually allowed to continue playing without his helmet. The play should have been blown dead the second the ball carrier lost his hat and in this case, a 15 yard face masking call should have been applied.
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« Reply #30 on: July 07, 2019, 01:11:18 PM »

I like the idea of penalizing players for not tightening their chinstraps. It's a safety issue.

Harris isn't actually allowed to continue playing without his helmet. The play should have been blown dead the second the ball carrier lost his hat and in this case, a 15 yard face masking call should have been applied.

Yeah, I definitely remember seeing the play go on with Harris' helmet off and wondering where the whistle was immediately when he lost his can. The refs were definitely deciding what they were going to have for dinner after the game during that play.
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« Reply #31 on: July 07, 2019, 03:16:21 PM »

in college and high school here in the states, if you lose you lid, you sit the next play... and in high school, it's a penalty if you don't have your chin strap affixed properly during play, not sure about college... all done as an incentive to players to properly use their equipment meant to keep them safe...
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« Reply #32 on: July 07, 2019, 03:55:23 PM »

The only downside I can see about sitting out a play if you lose your helmet would be opposing players trying to rip helmets off other players to get them off the field, which could be quite harmful. 

Twice this year, it's appeared that Harris had his helmet ripped off intentionally by the opposing team (this face mask play, and there was a photo from another game where it's clear that he lost his helmet because a defensive player ripped it off).  While I agree Harris needs to have the equipment crew look at that helmet and tighten it, because it's stupidly dangerous, it should also be said that in neither of the situations mentioned above, the defense was penalized for trying to remove safety equipment from a player on field.

Defenses know that Harris' helmet pops off like the top of Pringles can.  So they target it.  My understanding is that as soon as a ball carrier's helmet comes off, the whistle is supposed to be blown and the play dead.  Maybe this is their way of slowing Harris down?
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« Reply #33 on: July 07, 2019, 04:00:34 PM »

Harris always has had a loose chinstrap.  IIRC, his helmet routinely popped off in BC.  I thought the rules committee instituted a penalty for players who lose their lid a few years back already along with whistling the play dead.

Long story short, Andrew needs to tighten his strap, or someone else needs to do it for him.
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« Reply #34 on: July 07, 2019, 06:33:16 PM »

Harris always has had a loose chinstrap.  IIRC, his helmet routinely popped off in BC.  I thought the rules committee instituted a penalty for players who lose their lid a few years back already along with whistling the play dead.

Long story short, Andrew needs to tighten his strap, or someone else needs to do it for him.

you're right, it seems like Harris loses his helmet at least once in every game... it's hard to believe that we as fans, as passionate as we are, care more about a players safety than they do themselves...  not only in regards to the helmet, but the type of hits players use and amount of late hits as well... I don't recall who it was, but in one game I saw a player having one of these 'big hits' laid on him right at knee on the side of his leg... dude needed help off the field...
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« Reply #35 on: July 07, 2019, 07:30:01 PM »

you're right, it seems like Harris loses his helmet at least once in every game... it's hard to believe that we as fans, as passionate as we are, care more about a players safety than they do themselves...  not only in regards to the helmet, but the type of hits players use and amount of late hits as well... I don't recall who it was, but in one game I saw a player having one of these 'big hits' laid on him right at knee on the side of his leg... dude needed help off the field...

Under "player logic" if the helmet has some give and the ability to torque it may reduce the force of a direct impact.  From a physics standpoint, he may be right.
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« Reply #36 on: July 07, 2019, 10:12:18 PM »

Under "player logic" if the helmet has some give and the ability to torque it may reduce the force of a direct impact.  From a physics standpoint, he may be right.

then maybe he should consider some "mom's logic", if it ain't on your head, it ain't protecting anything... lol... Cheesy

there may be something to that though, in all seriousness... I wonder if he uses a 'concussion helmet' or standard issue? a friend of mine had a gifted child that play QB in a large high school system here and he bought his son one... it cost around $400, but, it's supposed to help reduce the chances of concussion, especially from hits by other players..  bouncing your head off of a hard object with zero give it would not be nearly as effective though...

I'm not sure of the make up of the helmet other than it had a different form of cushioning material inside that was designed to absorb more of the impact than a traditional helmet padding does... the kid didn't have a concussion all year long, but that's not to say the it was due to the helmet or never found himself in a situation where he was vulnerable to getting one...

could have been black magic voodoo that some vendor was putting out there to make an extra buck off of concerned parents... hope that wasn't the case...

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« Reply #37 on: July 07, 2019, 10:39:53 PM »

Yeah, I was actually wondering if that was Harris' point of view on his helmet.  A bit like a crumple zone on a car.  A bit of give is better than a hard stop.  If someone whacks his head hard enough, the helmet as it moves on his head would take away some of that momentum and force.  But you'd think if that were the case, the helmet manufacturer's would design the helmets that way and all players would wear theirs loose?
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« Reply #38 on: July 07, 2019, 11:05:34 PM »

The Board of Governors also approved two rules that specifically address the safety concern of players helmets coming off during play:

If a ball carrier's helmet comes off, the play shall be blown dead immediately. The line of scrimmage for the next play will be where the player's helmet came off.

If a non ball carrier's helmet comes off, that player can no longer participate in the play. If he does, the player will be penalized 10 yards for illegal participation. If a player hits an opposing player who isn't participating because he lost his helmet, he will be penalized 15 yards for unnecessary roughness.

https://www.cfl.ca/2012/04/18/rule-changes-approved-all-scoring-plays-to-be-reviewed/
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« Reply #39 on: July 07, 2019, 11:19:04 PM »

Harris always has had a loose chinstrap.  IIRC, his helmet routinely popped off in BC.  I thought the rules committee instituted a penalty for players who lose their lid a few years back already along with whistling the play dead.

Long story short, Andrew needs to tighten his strap, or someone else needs to do it for him.
Im wondering if he had his chin strap tight if there was more of a chance of him being injured on the facemasking. Looked like the guy really yanked on it with a possible neck injury happening.
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« Reply #40 on: July 07, 2019, 11:30:22 PM »

Im wondering if he had his chin strap tight if there was more of a chance of him being injured on the facemasking. Looked like the guy really yanked on it with a possible neck injury happening.

Good point, I've heard Harris say that he's learned how avoid taking a direct hit and turn it into a glancing blow, so he has thought about this somewhat.  I guess somebody just needs to ask him about the helmet directly.
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« Reply #41 on: July 07, 2019, 11:34:34 PM »

hard to say, but... I will say that now would be a very opportunistic time for the aspiring entrepreneur to create a solution to address the need to reduce or prevent head related injuries in all contact sports or sports where unintentional contact could happen, such as baseball...
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« Reply #42 on: July 08, 2019, 01:01:00 PM »

Harris' lose chin strap probably prevented some serious neck strain on that play. Penalty would be dumb, but making a player sit 2 plays might be enough incentive. Maybe Harris just has a weird shaped head?


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Medlock. minus 5 on missed FGs, plus 7 on the punt recovery. That's net +2, I'll take it.
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« Reply #43 on: July 10, 2019, 05:49:23 AM »

GOOD
  • Everyone
  • DL: ends monster, tackles monster, just all monster; killing it with only 4 in most cases; shout out to my NAT Fatboi still gettin'er'dun! And huge, huge night for Jefferson, well worth the money; DL was "player of the game" for me
  • Demski route was be-ute-i-ful; against a very experienced DB no less
  • We ask Medlock to get us 6 and he gets us 7 (well, Cool, not many kickers do that for you; all is forgiven)
  • Fenner makes up for last week; no penalties(?) and some good plays!
  • Adams' 3Q catch: live I was like "that's overthrown again", then Adams makes what will be a candidate for top 10 catches of the year; Adams awakens?
  • 4Q Strev sneak TD, notice who they have lined up in front of him?  Yoshi and Bry shoulder to shoulder... never seen that before.  Now that is some smart X's/O's right there.  The only way that's better is if it was Yosh/Bond/Bry
  • Miller's early-out-of-stance chicanery: brilliant, and he planned that with Adams obviously (and Strev too I'm pretty sure), but they didn't tell MOS (he was peeved and confused); why'd they do it?  Nearly 20s off the clock before the "procedure", another freebie 20s off after!  Brilliant!  Someone should have informed that ref the guy wasn't OL (he was a 6th/end) and wasn't in 3-point.
  • Hardrick Hop pre-game show segment: lovin' it (yay Yoshi!).  Demski saying how he got ribbed for that "awkward hug" moment last year, which I remember, the one where he hugs some pink-haired lady who, ehem, really doesn't want to be touched; stadium staff I do believe: bet she asked for section reassignment after that

BAD
  • NOTHING!  It's a freakin' miracle!

UGLY
  • OPI on Holley: Duni is wrong, that is OPI and I spotted it and said it live as a) Rose is in his hip pocket then is suddenly a few yards behind, how does that happen? and b) Holley's arm is clearly curled then fully extended on Rose's shoulder.  That is textbook OPI.  It doesn't help the close-up replay TSN shows is at the worst possible angle so you don't see the real effect of the push-off on Rose.  There's 2 great angles that clearly show the OPI in the highlight reel:
    https://www.bluebombers.com/2019/07/05/recap-winnipeg-29-ottawa-14/
  • Love those blank screen replays TSN, sheesh
  • Is CM made of glass?  Eating too many Dressler Flakes?  Better be unstoppable in the post-season... he's looking like Dressler so far, but without the plays (hat tip to thunderNlightning in the GDT)
  • Medlock's problem the new holder (McGuire)?  He always said he's super specific about his holder
  • That's a head hit on Nichols.  I know he's a runner at that point but I thought head hits on QBs were illegal no matter where they are on the field?
  • Briggs showed well, but took a monster head whack and was completely out of it worse than I've seen since Cornish
  • Many Bombers nicked up now, some minor (Demski, Nelson), some more worrying (Briggs, Nichols, Bighill, Matthews); depth is good but we need to get lucky with some of them cycling back in, and soon!

Special Request: comments on my points about Miller's chicanery and Holley OPI?  Not much talk about either yet.
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« Reply #44 on: July 10, 2019, 02:36:11 PM »

The OPI call was obvious. I'm a little surprised they called it anyway because they tend to let receivers get away with anything, but it was extremely obvious, even in real time, and absolutely should've been a penalty.

And it's possible the new holder could be Medlock's problem, but I don't think there's actually a problem. I think he simply mis-hit one kick and besides that a 51-yarder off the post is a completely reasonable thing to have happen.
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