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« on: May 27, 2019, 02:16:23 AM »

Edmonton could be in real trouble if anything happens to Reilly this season... I know it's the first game of the pre season, but... they sure had problems getting anything going today...
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« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2019, 02:55:35 AM »

Edmonton could be in real trouble if anything happens to Reilly this season

Would losing him to BC count?  Wink
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« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2019, 03:16:52 AM »

Reilly plays for BC:)
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« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2019, 03:54:45 AM »

Oops, my mind and my fingers weren't in sync today as I meant to say BC would be in trouble... which actually makes sense, especially since they were the team that got smoked today... I knew what I meant, lol...

but, I refuse to edit my original post, I'll wear my typo, lol...  Grin 

however, BC is going to be in serious trouble if something happens to him...  but it is the CFL, anything can happen...
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« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2019, 04:37:29 AM »

however, BC is going to be in serious trouble if something happens to him...  but it is the CFL, anything can happen...

I think BC is in serious trouble even if nothing happens to him.  In the CFL you can't have a team that is literally all QB.  There are so few playmakers left in BC (really, just Burnham), unless they really luck out with the rookies.

And if Reilly does go down, they are doubly screwed.  However, I think Reilly will have to be carted off with a broken neck and a missing leg before he'll ever voluntarily leave the field.  I wonder what his wife thinks of that...
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« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2019, 05:34:13 AM »

If anyone wants to listen to this game after the fact, you can find it here (for 7 days I think):
https://globalnews.ca/pages/audioondemand/
Should show you 630CHED station
select May 26, 2pm

I wouldn't read too much into BC's poor showing; they said BC brought almost all nobodies (i.e. no real starters).  EDM played their real starters for a while.

In preseason games, I find home teams always try harder, and the visiting team often just uses it as a glorified TC test for the noobs.  You gotta give the home crowd a reason to show up for these things  Wink

Regardless of quality, I'm glad CFL is back and the winter is over!
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« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2019, 01:15:29 PM »

I think BC is in serious trouble. Chaos would describe their state of affairs. Our 1st regular season game is against them here in Vancouver. If it isn't somewhat of a cakewalk that may say something about us as well.

Winning in Vancouver has always been difficult regardless of where the teams seem to be in the standings. Let's start the season with a big win and continue from there. It sets the tone for the season.
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« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2019, 01:48:36 PM »

I think BC is in serious trouble. Chaos would describe their state of affairs. Our 1st regular season game is against them here in Vancouver. If it isn't somewhat of a cakewalk that may say something about us as well.

Winning in Vancouver has always been difficult regardless of where the teams seem to be in the standings. Let's start the season with a big win and continue from there. It sets the tone for the season.

BC will have 2 great playmakers in Burnham and Duron Carter, and they have the ability to start 2 NI receivers who can to 400+ yards each (probably more with Reilly) in Durant and Shaq Johnson.  They have upgraded their OL by adding Chung and Boyko, and have plenty of depth behind them.

They have retained much of the experience in the secondary. While I am not crazy about Herdman-Reed, by adding Konar, they are going to be able to start a Canadian LB.  They have good Canadian depth on the d-line, but other than Willis and Coleman, there are some question marks. 

I think they are vulnerable in the kicking game and certainly at back-up QB.  If Reilly stays healthy, I expect them to be competitive by Labour Day, but they will have a slow start. 
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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2019, 02:25:35 PM »

BC will have 2 great playmakers in Burnham and Duron Carter, and they have the ability to start 2 NI receivers who can to 400+ yards each (probably more with Reilly) in Durant and Shaq Johnson.  They have upgraded their OL by adding Chung and Boyko, and have plenty of depth behind them.

They have retained much of the experience in the secondary. While I am not crazy about Herdman-Reed, by adding Konar, they are going to be able to start a Canadian LB.  They have good Canadian depth on the d-line, but other than Willis and Coleman, there are some question marks. 

I think they are vulnerable in the kicking game and certainly at back-up QB.  If Reilly stays healthy, I expect them to be competitive by Labour Day, but they will have a slow start. 

Boyko isn't proven and Lions fans are quite concerned about their OL. I know Reilly didn't play and the team used mostly 2nd or 3rd team players but they gave up 5 sacks. Even in pre season that's not a good thing.

Lost Olafioye and Husband plus many other Canadians.
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« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2019, 02:32:20 PM »

Over reaction it's preseason game 1.  Edmonton only wins by 2 TD's with a veteran lineup. Nothing to see here wait till season begins.
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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2019, 02:39:49 PM »

Over reaction it's preseason game 1.  Edmonton only wins by 2 TD's with a veteran lineup. Nothing to see here wait till season begins.

I don't think people are judging their 1st season game per se. They lost more than a dozen starters and significant depth including Jennings and Lulay. Overall they lost over 25 players in total to free agency, release or retirement.

Depth is going to be an issue especially at QB.

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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2019, 03:16:52 PM »

Boyko isn't proven and Lions fans are quite concerned about their OL. I know Reilly didn't play and the team used mostly 2nd or 3rd team players but they gave up 5 sacks. Even in pre season that's not a good thing.

Lost Olafioye and Husband plus many other Canadians.

Those concerned fans don't know what they are talking about.  They lost Olafioye, but they still have Figueroa at LT, and Antonio Johnson (a former 2 year starter at RT), so they are good on the outside.

Foulcault (former 1st rounder with NFL game experience) is solid at LG and they picked up Chung (former 1st rounder), probably the best RG in the league.  They will likely start Godber (former 1st rounder) at center, and even though last year was his rookie year, he dressed for 9 games and started 3.  For depth, they have Boyko (drafted in 2nd round but would have gone in 1st but for NFL interest) who has 3 years of NFL coaching to his credit. He will push Johnson at RT, but could also play inside.  They also have Knevel, a former Cornhusker who filled in at both G and T last year. 

To be honest, their o-line has fewer question marks than the Bombers at this point. 
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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2019, 04:10:48 PM »

I don't think people are judging their 1st season game per se. They lost more than a dozen starters and significant depth including Jennings and Lulay. Overall they lost over 25 players in total to free agency, release or retirement.

Depth is going to be an issue especially at QB.



That I have to agree with you.  Mike Reily will steal some games he is that type of player who has done it in the past.  Supporting cast is very important, and I also feel they lost too much in that area.
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« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2019, 04:23:07 PM »

Those concerned fans don't know what they are talking about.  They lost Olafioye, but they still have Figueroa at LT, and Antonio Johnson (a former 2 year starter at RT), so they are good on the outside.

Foulcault (former 1st rounder with NFL game experience) is solid at LG and they picked up Chung (former 1st rounder), probably the best RG in the league.  They will likely start Godber (former 1st rounder) at center, and even though last year was his rookie year, he dressed for 9 games and started 3.  For depth, they have Boyko (drafted in 2nd round but would have gone in 1st but for NFL interest) who has 3 years of NFL coaching to his credit. He will push Johnson at RT, but could also play inside.  They also have Knevel, a former Cornhusker who filled in at both G and T last year. 

To be honest, their o-line has fewer question marks than the Bombers at this point. 

I think Lions fans know more about the Lions than most Bomber posters. Many of their long time supporters travel to spend a week at their TC every season. It's pretty disingenuous to suggest they don't know what they are talking about.

A few have gone so far as suggesting Boyko could be part of the early cuts.
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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2019, 04:33:30 PM »

I think Lions fans know more about the Lions than most Bomber posters. Many of their long time supporters travel to spend a week at their TC every season. It's pretty disingenuous to suggest they don't know what they are talking about.

A few have gone so far as suggesting Boyko could be part of the early cuts.
Agreed about what you said about Lions fans knowing their team....with a QB like Reilly they have a shot and my bet is they will be in the WSF.....he's arguably one of if not THE the best QBsin the CFL and he's tough and durable as they come on top of that!   
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« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2019, 04:42:23 PM »

Agreed about what you said about Lions fans knowing their team....with a QB like Reilly they have a shot and my bet is they will be in the WSF.....he's arguably one of if not THE the best QBsin the CFL and he's tough and durable as they come on top of that!  

Did you miss the 2018 season where the Esks with Reilly missed the playoffs? They weren't that good in 2016 or 2017 either.

Reilly make be one of the 2 top CFL QB's but he needs a supporting group around him to win.

Team injuries in the west may help direct the standings in the grand scheme. It's early but I could see the Lions and Esks fighting for 3rd and 4th in the west.

Riders seem headed for 5th this season. Collaros is one hit away from forced retirement.
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« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2019, 04:50:38 PM »

Did you miss the 2018 season where the Esks with Reilly missed the playoffs? They weren't that good in 2016 or 2017 either.

Reilly make be one of the 2 top CFL QB's but he needs a supporting group around him to win.

Team injuries in the west may help direct the standings in the grand scheme. It's early but I could see the Lions and Esks fighting for 3rd and 4th in the west.

Riders seem headed for 5th this season. Collaros is one hit away from forced retirement.
  I remember the Esks having a litany of injuries and Reilly taking a pounding and still coming up off the mat.   Yes it takes a team to win it of course.

All I'm saying is that having one of the best QBs gives you a shot....at seasons end you need some luck with injuries and any team losing their key starters will be affected.   Reilly is as tough as they come in that regard albeit his age will start becoming a factor sooner or later.   
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« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2019, 05:43:22 PM »

  I remember the Esks having a litany of injuries and Reilly taking a pounding and still coming up off the mat.   Yes it takes a team to win it of course.

All I'm saying is that having one of the best QBs gives you a shot....at seasons end you need some luck with injuries and any team losing their key starters will be affected.   Reilly is as tough as they come in that regard albeit his age will start becoming a factor sooner or later.   

I think Reilly peaked with his 2015 G.C. win, I doubt he ever makes it back there.
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« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2019, 05:46:17 PM »

  I remember the Esks having a litany of injuries and Reilly taking a pounding and still coming up off the mat.   Yes it takes a team to win it of course.

All I'm saying is that having one of the best QBs gives you a shot....at seasons end you need some luck with injuries and any team losing their key starters will be affected.   Reilly is as tough as they come in that regard albeit his age will start becoming a factor sooner or later.   

Not disputing that having a top QB gives you a shot but history has shown even top QB's have had bad seasons on poor teams.  Reilly struggled early in his career in Edmonton because of the poor surrounding cast.

There have been many comments on the trickle down impact of his high salary in Vancouver on the rest of the roster.

We'll see how things work out in both Edmonton and Vancouver as the big spenders in free agency.
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« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2019, 05:47:53 PM »

I think Lions fans know more about the Lions than most Bomber posters. Many of their long time supporters travel to spend a week at their TC every season. It's pretty disingenuous to suggest they don't know what they are talking about.

A few have gone so far as suggesting Boyko could be part of the early cuts.

Yes, instead of dealing with the actual content of my post (the cataloging of o-line assets), you have committed the logical fallacy of Appeal to Authority.  The fact that you are appealing to the authority of a bunch of internet fans kind of makes it a double fail.  The fact they are Lions fans and drive to TC doesn't speak to their knowledge even a little bit.  Goodness gracious, being on this forum everyday should illustrate the point.  All winter we've been watching knucklehead observations that would have you believe Nichols is washed up, Augustine is a 1000 yd back, Loffler was a fake all-star, and my favourite "trade Darvin Adams".  

The Lions have assets on the o-line.  They have an inexperienced center, but are deep everywhere else. However, if the Lions cut Boyko you can certainly come back at me with a well-deserved "told you so".  But in the meantime try not to bolster your arguments with "the fans think..." because it is weak tea.....
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« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2019, 05:52:25 PM »

I would be flabbergasted if the cut Boyko. Even if he is having a miserable camp his upside is simply too high to let him go without an extended look.
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« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2019, 05:53:09 PM »

I don't put anything into pre season. The home team will usually play the starters for about a quarter and the away team plays backups for most if not all of the game. As for BC being in trouble without Reilly other than Winnipeg the same can be said for any team in the CFL.
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« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2019, 05:57:45 PM »

I don't put anything into pre season. The home team will usually play the starters for about a quarter and the away team plays backups for most if not all of the game. As for BC being in trouble without Reilly other than Winnipeg the same can be said for any team in the CFL.

That's true, but some teams are in deeper trouble than others if they lose their starter. BC went all in on Reilly and left their team depleted because of that.
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« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2019, 06:07:00 PM »

Yes, instead of dealing with the actual content of my post (the cataloging of o-line assets), you have committed the logical fallacy of Appeal to Authority.  The fact that you are appealing to the authority of a bunch of internet fans kind of makes it a double fail.  The fact they are Lions fans and drive to TC doesn't speak to their knowledge even a little bit.  Goodness gracious, being on this forum everyday should illustrate the point.  All winter we've been watching knucklehead observations that would have you believe Nichols is washed up, Augustine is a 1000 yd back, Loffler was a fake all-star, and my favourite "trade Darvin Adams".  

The Lions have assets on the o-line.  They have an inexperienced center, but are deep everywhere else. However, if the Lions cut Boyko you can certainly come back at me with a well-deserved "told you so".  But in the meantime try not to bolster your arguments with "the fans think..." because it is weak tea.....

You're just another internet fan as well. At least fans that actually attend multiple practices have more to say than just an opinion. Many of them are very knowledgeable. 

I read what you posted but there are many questions on their OL. Their OL was horrible last year if you recall. Adding Chungh helps but he won't make it a top OL with last year's 2nd team players. That's the ultimate point. Reilly is an elusive QB so that might help but it's not a slam dunk that their OL is going to be significantly better in 2019.

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« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2019, 06:09:40 PM »

I would be flabbergasted if the cut Boyko. Even if he is having a miserable camp his upside is simply too high to let him go without an extended look.

He probably makes the roster but I wouldn't guarantee he's a starter or even on the game day roster. He might be on the DR to start the season.
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« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2019, 06:37:05 PM »

You're just another internet fan as well. At least fans that actually attend multiple practices have more to say than just an opinion. Many of them are very knowledgeable. 

I read what you posted but there are many questions on their OL. Their OL was horrible last year if you recall. Adding Chungh helps but he won't make it a top OL with last year's 2nd team players.

I get that I am just another fan, but I am putting out my opinion out there and supporting it with my rationale.  I'm not asking you to agree with me, just support your own argument with your own reasoning (and not relying on these other fans).

You say they have "lots of questions" on their o-line. Articulate who is a question mark.  Here is how I see it:

1.  LT is Figueroa, a proven commodity in the league.  Not a question mark in my mind.
2.  LG is Foucault, former #1, NFL game experience, reported to be their steadiest interior guy last year.  No question there really.
3.  C is Godber.  Highly ranked prospect, who filled in until he got injured. Acknowledge he is a question mark.
4.  RG is Chung.  Best in the league at his position, highly prized free agent.  Enuff said. 
5.  RT is wide open with Olafayie retiring.  Boyko and Knevel fighting it out for that one, with a fall-back of Antonio Johnson a former 2 year starter.  It is a question who will win the battle at RT but not that they will have a competent RT.

The whole line coached by Bryan Chiu, whose reputation is pretty strong. 

I am not saying this makes them the best o-line in the league, but I would say they have fewer questions than the Bombers, to wit:

(a)  Can Neufeld play another whole season without injury?
(b)  Is Couture a starting quality center?
(c)  Do we have any Canadian who is ready to step in and start at RG?
(d)  What the heck is up with Foketi? 
(e)  How are we going to roster both Gray and Eli in the likely event they both need more seasoning?
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« Reply #26 on: May 27, 2019, 09:06:50 PM »

I get that I am just another fan, but I am putting out my opinion out there and supporting it with my rationale.  I'm not asking you to agree with me, just support your own argument with your own reasoning (and not relying on these other fans).

You say they have "lots of questions" on their o-line. Articulate who is a question mark.  Here is how I see it:

1.  LT is Figueroa, a proven commodity in the league.  Not a question mark in my mind.
2.  LG is Foucault, former #1, NFL game experience, reported to be their steadiest interior guy last year.  No question there really.
3.  C is Godber.  Highly ranked prospect, who filled in until he got injured. Acknowledge he is a question mark.
4.  RG is Chung.  Best in the league at his position, highly prized free agent.  Enuff said. 
5.  RT is wide open with Olafayie retiring.  Boyko and Knevel fighting it out for that one, with a fall-back of Antonio Johnson a former 2 year starter.  It is a question who will win the battle at RT but not that they will have a competent RT.

The whole line coached by Bryan Chiu, whose reputation is pretty strong. 

I am not saying this makes them the best o-line in the league, but I would say they have fewer questions than the Bombers, to wit:

(a)  Can Neufeld play another whole season without injury?
(b)  Is Couture a starting quality center?
(c)  Do we have any Canadian who is ready to step in and start at RG?
(d)  What the heck is up with Foketi? 
(e)  How are we going to roster both Gray and Eli in the likely event they both need more seasoning?

I've already stated the fact the Lions OL was not very good in 2018.

Figueroa and Foucault were with the Lions in all of 2018. Johnson didn't play in the CFL in 2018 and would be a ratio consideration over the 2 Canadians mentioned. Boyko is a rookie and Knevel is a 2nd year player. Not much experience and lower picks that Bomber back ups that have been with the team longer.

The Lions may end up starting 3 different OL over 2018. Continuity for OL's is crucial

I never said Winnipeg didn't have any issues but they have 2 of the best OT's in the CFL. We may be only starting 2 new OL with one of them with 3 years with the team.

Couture has been with the Bombers for 3 complete seasons and got playing time. Neufeld played well in 2018 and there is no more reason to think he'll get injured than any other OL.

Desjarlais was a 4th pick in the 1st round in a very good year for OL.

Gray was an 8th pick in the 1st round in his draft year.

Eli dropped in the draft due to some thinking he wasn't going to return to playing. Many of our posters and even analysts have suggested he was a steal in this year's draft.
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« Reply #27 on: May 27, 2019, 09:35:32 PM »

Some on this post always need to have the last word....we are all fans on here....including those who don't live in Winnipeg or attend training camp practices.    Opinions are what they are....and yes some are more informed than others....that being said....hey looks like a great training camp, imho!
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« Reply #28 on: May 27, 2019, 10:25:25 PM »

An O-line is only as good as it's weakest link, Bryant, Chungh, Goosen and Hardrick were all part of an O-line that was fairly mediocre until Bond joined them midway through 2016 and solidified them as an effective unit.
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« Reply #29 on: May 28, 2019, 06:50:19 AM »

Yes, instead of dealing with the actual content of my post (the cataloging of o-line assets), you have committed the logical fallacy of Appeal to Authority. [...]

Epic, paw!  Well done.  A fellow thinker and logician.  You nailed every point.  To those he poked at, it's all in good humour.  Heck, I'm trying to remember if one of those pokees might be me...

Oh ya -- as for the thread -- Reilly can't win all by himself.  And I don't think Claybrooks has what it takes for HC; not yet anyway.  I have a theory that Burnham may be going downhill.  It's a longshot, but even with Jenning's huge arm and love of the deep ball Burnham hasn't looked like the CFL-best he did in past years.  That said, if anyone is the right QB for Burnham, it's Reilly!  We shall see...  I think BC ends up 4th or 5th in the W.

Bonus Oh ya: I think WPG OL will be just fine, and top-3 in CFL.  Better than BC's?  I think they will be, but that's more of a gut feeling than stats-based.  I look at BC and I see chaos and inconsistency across the whole organization.  Never good for a team, or OL.  But you all make great points.
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« Reply #30 on: May 28, 2019, 03:11:33 PM »

The Lions will have a very potent offence...you can take that to the bank. Mt. Everest sized question marks surround their defence, it is probably worse than the Edmonton defence that Reilly couldn't overcome last year, but Reilly behind a mediocre OL and a mid pack receiving corps still puts a ton of points on the board. Problem is he won't see the field as much as he will like because the defence will be out there.
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