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« on: May 15, 2019, 04:41:21 PM »

Nice to see it mapped out like this. I could see starting 3 CDNs at receiver alongside Matthews and Adams.

I'd pencil Cooper ahead of Humes at field side corner as well.

https://www.cfl.ca/2019/05/10/off-season-depth-chart-winnipeg-blue-bombers/

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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2019, 04:48:38 PM »



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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2019, 04:52:06 PM »

Cool charts. They don't appear to have any draft picks on them so we've likely got a bit more depth and at some spots than it shows.
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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2019, 04:56:58 PM »

That secondary worries me in part that we really do not have any real veteran leadership with a bit more experience.
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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2019, 05:24:05 PM »

That secondary worries me in part that we really do not have any real veteran leadership with a bit more experience.

Fenner, Gaitor, Alexander and Rose are not rookies.
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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2019, 05:39:06 PM »

Fenner, Gaitor, Alexander and Rose are not rookies.

Exactly!

Also, Cooper and especially Sayles seemed real solid in coverage from what we saw.


Weigh who's gone from the secondary as well. Loffler (I know he brought the boom) and Fogg were suspect cover guys.
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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2019, 05:50:28 PM »

You forgetting Randle?
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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2019, 05:57:59 PM »

Fenner, Gaitor, Alexander and Rose are not rookies.

Fenner and Gaitor are not DB?s on the current depth chart.
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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2019, 06:05:49 PM »

You forgetting Randle?
isn't he in Ottawa now?
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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2019, 06:08:38 PM »

Darrin Bauming, TSN.
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Rookie linebacker Otha Peters Jr failed his physical and has been released. The #Bombers will likely fill that roster spot with a new offensive lineman.
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« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2019, 06:10:12 PM »

isn't he in Ottawa now?

Yes, he meant that I forgot Randle was gone - which I did. Not all star caliber anymore. don't mind seeing a guy cut who's getting long in the tooth with an all-star salary. Pressure's on management to replace him though.
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« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2019, 06:10:26 PM »

Darrin Bauming, TSN.
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Rookie linebacker Otha Peters Jr failed his physical and has been released. The #Bombers will likely fill that roster spot with a new offensive lineman.
Weird they would replace him with another lineman considering we have more than enough of those, plus set in stone starters
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« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2019, 06:24:16 PM »

Weird they would replace him with another lineman considering we have more than enough of those, plus set in stone starters

We have too much of every position on the roster at the moment. Must be the next guy they want to squeeze onto the roster.
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« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2019, 06:30:01 PM »

The OL mite be our biggest ? going into TC.
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« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2019, 08:55:53 PM »

I wasn't impressed by Cooper last year, but that's only my opinion. He didn't play in game 18 which was odd.  Humes only played against Edmonton in the last game where we sat a bunch of our starters. In either case small sample sizes.

We have 7  or 8 rookies coming to compete. One of Gaitor / Fenner might end up starting in the secondary and we added Rose at CB.

Really hard to tell who will win out at this point.
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« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2019, 09:08:22 PM »

I wasn't impressed by Cooper last year, but that's only my opinion. He didn't play in game 18 which was odd.  Humes only played against Edmonton in the last game where we sat a bunch of our starters. In either case small sample sizes.

We have 7  or 8 rookies coming to compete. One of Gaitor / Fenner might end up starting in the secondary and we added Rose at CB.

Really hard to tell who will win out at this point.
Cooper is back a) familiarity with playbook
                             b) outside shot as a returner
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« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2019, 09:27:11 PM »

I believe Humes is list as 6-0, 200, Cooper is 5-9, 180. Humes is also known as a big hitter.
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« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2019, 09:39:38 PM »

I believe Humes is list as 6-0, 200, Cooper is 5-9, 180. Humes is also known as a big hitter.
Interesting. Maybe Humes as a SAM option with Gaitor moving to corner or HB?
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« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2019, 09:59:53 PM »

Cooper is back a) familiarity with playbook
                             b) outside shot as a returner

Last year's PR players have an early edge. With the knowledge of the play book and some game experience that helps. That could lead to becoming a starter in their 2nd year and great players.

The downside is massive competition in TC.  Players that spent most of the previous season on the PR usually have to make a push / move to the AR 44. If they don't there is a reluctance on both sides to return to the PR.

Not every import looks astounding in the 1st few games but look much better after their 2nd TC.

So Cooper or Humes might end up as top young DB' pushing to start. We won't know for awhile whether the 2019 rookies are the next Alexander or Sayles or the next Carmichael ( lol ).

Opportunities exist and it's going to be exciting to see who shines.

Just because I wasn't impressed by Cooper in 2018 doesn't mean he can't or won't take a giant step forward.
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« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2019, 10:02:10 PM »

Interesting. Maybe Humes as a SAM option with Gaitor moving to corner or HB?

Wouldn't entirely surprise me to see him and maybe a 2019 rookie given chances to show versatility at SAM. I'm not expecting starting SAM to be someone besides Gaitor or Fenner but all the versatility means options are available.

The good thing is the overall talent we seem to have.
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« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2019, 10:15:52 PM »

I could see Humes as a SAM option.
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« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2019, 10:22:05 PM »

If Jones starts at Safety we will be much smaller at that position. Jones 6-1, 190. Loffler 6-4, 220/225. Is Jones quicker??
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« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2019, 12:21:36 AM »

If Jones starts at Safety we will be much smaller at that position. Jones 6-1, 190. Loffler 6-4, 220/225. Is Jones quicker??

In theory he's quicker and reportedly a better cover guy. I'd rather have a safety that prevents a completion by coverage positioning than needing to hit a receiver to create an incompletion.

I mentioned in another string that the Bombers put Jones on the Injured Veteran roster. I know he had a season ending injury so I hope that's not a real concern.
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« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2019, 12:49:26 AM »

Loffler while a big hitter wasn't particularly strong in coverage.
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« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2019, 02:36:01 AM »

I agree Loffler was late to the party a few to many times. However when we didn't have an excellent MLB, Loffler was good support on the run because of his size.
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« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2019, 02:39:32 AM »

Loffler's play tapered off pretty quick.
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« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2019, 02:45:08 AM »

Loffler's play tapered off pretty quick.
Still was an all star last year.
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« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2019, 10:37:10 AM »

Still was an all star last year.

The biggest factor in all star voting is name recognition, not play.
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« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2019, 10:46:03 AM »

Loffler's play tapered off pretty quick.

Loffler struggled at the start of the year, but I thought he was very good in the second half of the season.
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« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2019, 11:13:02 AM »

Also was an all star by default..name another really good safety who played last year in the west for the whole season..now try the east..nothing special
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« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2019, 11:19:28 AM »

Safety is literally the easiest position to replace. I am not worried at all about the loss of Loffler especially when we have Bighill over the middle.
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« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2019, 11:22:06 AM »

In theory he's quicker and reportedly a better cover guy. I'd rather have a safety that prevents a completion by coverage positioning than needing to hit a receiver to create an incompletion.

I mentioned in another string that the Bombers put Jones on the Injured Veteran roster. I know he had a season ending injury so I hope that's not a real concern.

The injured vet roster has been used by every team, every year, in order to get a couple/few more rookies in for a look see. I would read nothing into that at this point of the season.
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« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2019, 12:50:55 PM »

The injured vet roster has been used by every team, every year, in order to get a couple/few more rookies in for a look see. I would read nothing into that at this point of the season.

I know that but I also know Jones had a season ending injury and he may actually not be ready. Like last year when we heard Leggett was ok and would be ready for TC when he wasn't ever ready.

When he shows up for the main TC and isn't sitting out most reps the comfort zone will be higher.

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« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2019, 12:59:46 PM »

Well then more reps and experience for the younger and higher upside of any of the guys we have Conteh to maybe grasp the spot and run with it, he does posses nice cover skills and at Grambling did have the rep as a big hitter
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« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2019, 01:12:02 PM »

Also was an all star by default..name another really good safety who played last year in the west for the whole season..now try the east..nothing special
So he was the best safety in the league?
The biggest factor in all star voting is name recognition, not play.
He was still better than anyone else in the West. Just because he's gone doesn't mean his accomplishments don't count
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« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2019, 01:25:38 PM »

We've got a lot of Canadian DB's coming to TC. We should be fine at safety. It was more of a question whether Jones is still not 100% or whether this was just a paper shuffle to get a couple more bodies to look at.
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« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2019, 03:04:25 PM »

Just because he's gone doesn't mean his accomplishments don't count

I'm really not trying to do that. I just don't view All Star voting as a legitimate factor in rating a player.
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« Reply #37 on: May 16, 2019, 03:05:26 PM »

Jones is 100% faster than Loffler, remember any of his blocks?
Whether or not he's a better safety is the question. Loffler will spend half the year on Montreal's IR anyways.
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« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2019, 03:09:07 PM »

Loffler is a very good safety. His achievements shouldn't be undersold. However, safety and RB are two very replaceable positions in the CFL because there are a ton of players who can excel at these positions.
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« Reply #39 on: May 16, 2019, 03:13:14 PM »

Jones is 100% faster than Loffler, remember any of his blocks?
Whether or not he's a better safety is the question. Loffler will spend half the year on Montreal's IR anyways.

He's missed only 4 games in 3 seasons ( 54 games ). One of those was last year when we played all our back ups and he wasn't actually injured.

So why the bitterness suggesting he'll miss half a season in Montreal? He could get injured or he could play 18 games. However he does not have a history of missing CFL games.
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« Reply #40 on: May 16, 2019, 03:24:02 PM »

Loffler is a very good safety. His achievements shouldn't be undersold. However, safety and RB are two very replaceable positions in the CFL because there are a ton of players who can excel at these positions.
I agree you shouldn't pay a ton for either position
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« Reply #41 on: May 16, 2019, 03:25:14 PM »

Jones is 100% faster than Loffler, remember any of his blocks?
Whether or not he's a better safety is the question. Loffler will spend half the year on Montreal's IR anyways.
I wonder if anyone is gonna defend Loffler like they did Dressler. Only difference is youre actually making something up about Loffler
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« Reply #42 on: May 16, 2019, 03:25:56 PM »

There was no bitterness  Huh, but I would have sworn he missed more. He sure played injured frequently then.
New team that hired him because of his physicality...he'll want to impress.  Montreal's D is probably going to be on the field a lot...
Adds up to injury if I'm a betting man.
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« Reply #43 on: May 16, 2019, 03:44:55 PM »

He's missed only 4 games in 3 seasons ( 54 games ). One of those was last year when we played all our back ups and he wasn't actually injured.

So why the bitterness suggesting he'll miss half a season in Montreal? He could get injured or he could play 18 games. However he does not have a history of missing CFL games.

His injury history was confined to his NCAA/CIS days. He would have been picked higher in the CFL draft had he stayed healthy. He did miss a lot of practices here and I think the Bomber approach was always slow and careful with him. You do wonder about a guy like that as the professional miles pile up. He's a good player and I hope he stays healthy. He doesn't have an injury history exactly, but I think it's still a concern.
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« Reply #44 on: May 16, 2019, 03:50:51 PM »

he basically didn't practice here to kep him healthy and fresh...
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« Reply #45 on: May 16, 2019, 04:09:27 PM »

There was no bitterness  Huh, but I would have sworn he missed more. He sure played injured frequently then.
New team that hired him because of his physicality...he'll want to impress.  Montreal's D is probably going to be on the field a lot...
Adds up to injury if I'm a betting man.

Ok. Fair enough. I took it as a diss to Loffler. It's true he missed a lot of practice time to make sure he wouldn't miss games.

That's not uncommon though. Adams, Dressler, Harris and a multitude of vets got extra days off without practice.

If Montreal doesn't take a similar approach that may lead to game time lost. If their defense can't get off the field there may be more wear and tear on players.
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« Reply #46 on: May 16, 2019, 08:37:25 PM »

Guys nursing injuries, or who had 40 touches and 400 all purpose yards (yes, I'm exagerating), sure they skip practices.  Loffler wasn't one of those guys, he was a "skip practice because we don't want to take a chance" guys...
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« Reply #47 on: May 16, 2019, 10:05:31 PM »

RB's are easy to replace, however Canadian RB's not so much.
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« Reply #48 on: May 16, 2019, 10:13:32 PM »

Guys nursing injuries, or who had 40 touches and 400 all purpose yards (yes, I'm exagerating), sure they skip practices.  Loffler wasn't one of those guys, he was a "skip practice because we don't want to take a chance" guys...
It's really funny how now that Loffler is gone his maintenance days are scrutinized meanwhile while he was here no one paid it any mind
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« Reply #49 on: May 17, 2019, 11:54:00 AM »

It's really funny how now that Loffler is gone his maintenance days are scrutinized meanwhile while he was here no one paid it any mind

I'm not so sure if people are flip flopping on this (well, some will, obviously), but I think everyone acknowledged both before and after his release that his not-practicing was due to how he played the game and to reduce risk.

At least that's how I always viewed it. I'm a huge Loffler fan and one of the few that has some concerns about him being gone.
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« Reply #50 on: May 17, 2019, 12:01:38 PM »

It's really funny how now that Loffler is gone his maintenance days are scrutinized meanwhile while he was here no one paid it any mind

It's one trait of aardvarkism --- a player is very good when he is in blue&gold, and instantly become so-so & meh when he signs with other team
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« Reply #51 on: May 17, 2019, 12:39:51 PM »

in fairness to that comment...I never thought Loffler was "really" good when he was here...he did some good things...laid some real good licks (first year) but those dried up...and a lot of the time were a result of being late to the party...I'd rather have had my safety in great coverage breaking up the pass, then laying a nice highlight real hit, after a receiver has made a big gain...

And sure he came up nicely downhill for run support, but that was because he couldn't be used/trusted in coverage...pro's..and con's with him but I'd rather have a well rounded safety...
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« Reply #52 on: May 18, 2019, 09:47:01 PM »

Agreed. Rather have a QB hold the ball a second too long and get sacked or check down because the safety made him second guess the throw.
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« Reply #53 on: Today at 11:33:26 AM »

At least that's how I always viewed it. I'm a huge Loffler fan and one of the few that has some concerns about him being gone.

Me too.  Love me some Loffler hits.  But I am not concerned much about his departure.  Well, let me rephrase that: I'm concerned for our receivers when we play MTL.  Wink Cheesy Grin  But on D I'm pretty sure we can make FS work with Jones / Conteh / Hecht.

Loffler was the perfect man for the job when our MLB was Hole-Stuffin' Hurl.  But as a roving FS looking for deep balls to hawk and tip away, he actually was quite bad.  He was never in the picture when a 50yd pass was thrown and caught in stride.  Never.  If our DB blew it (like Fogg & Randle did many times, not to dis them, as every DB will lose sometimes), that was it, to the house.

So for our current monster-D roster, we really need a FS who can be in the picture on >50% of the deep passes and really cause problems for the Reillys, Mitchells, and Jennings out there.

So no dis to Loffler.  He deserves some mega love for keeping our D from sucking more pre-Bighill.  And if MTL needs a '16 Loffler due to their LB suckage, and Loffler gets a big payday, this is a win-win for everyone.  And I send a huge "thank you" to Loffler for all he's done for WPG.

And watch out WPG receivers in the mid-range zone vs MTL this year... maybe it is a good thing Dressler isn't playing for us  Wink
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