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« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2019, 07:52:15 PM »

This is great news. I'm sure that we'll get more details once the deal is ratified by both sides.
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« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2019, 08:05:08 PM »

Canadian QB's are now part of the ratio. Ok but what exactly does that mean? On the AR 44 we used to have 21 Canadians. If a team has a Canadian QB does that eliminate 1 player that would have been on the roster or does that just allow a 22nd Canadian??

No problem in counting a Canadian QB starting as one of the starting 7. That may happen with several Canadian QB's hitting TC rosters and even AR 44's.

3 year deal is a bit of a surprise but it allows a new CBA after a new TV happens and puts the revenue sharing in a better position.

Only a $50K increase each year for 3 years was lower than I expected. Add that into the progressive increase to minimum salary in year 2 & 3 will be create a ripple effect.

Nothing mentioned yet covers how the ratio works with global players although it appeared they were listed as imports on our roster.
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« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2019, 08:08:19 PM »

Canadian QB's are now part of the ratio. Ok but what exactly does that mean? On the AR 44 we used to have 21 Canadians. If a team has a Canadian QB does that eliminate 1 player that would have been on the roster or does that just allow a 22nd Canadian??

No problem in counting a Canadian QB starting as one of the starting 7. That may happen with several Canadian QB's hitting TC rosters and even AR 44's.
You can already have more than the minimum number of Canadians on the team. I assume that a Canadian QB is simply going to be counted as one of the 21 if they are a backup and one of the 7 if they are a starter. (The way I think it should have been all along)
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« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2019, 08:15:01 PM »

You can already have more than the minimum number of Canadians on the team. I assume that a Canadian QB is simply going to be counted as one of the 21 if they are a backup and one of the 7 if they are a starter. (The way I think it should have been all along)

I know you can but most teams don't. Imports take 23 of 44 roster spots. Previously a Canadian QB would have just been one of 3 QB's. Now on a roster of 44 it effectively eliminates another Canadian

Probably not after thinking about it. The previous 23 imports included 3 import QB's. So a team with a Canadian QB would only have 22 imports and 22 Canadians. A Canadian back up wouldn't be eliminated.

The big difference or possible incentive would be a starting Canadian QB would be a ratio advantage as a non traditional Canadian starter. That all good when his play warrants starting.
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« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2019, 08:23:50 PM »

I hope you're right, will wait to see the official text.

There's literally nothing in that tweet that suggests veteran American players will be counted as Nationals.
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« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2019, 08:54:11 PM »

I'm really happy for the players that they got 3 years of medical coverage. They put their bodies on the line and deserve to be looked after.
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« Reply #36 on: May 15, 2019, 09:08:45 PM »

I'm really happy for the players that they got 3 years of medical coverage. They put their bodies on the line and deserve to be looked after.
Yeah that is my highlight too
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« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2019, 09:19:42 PM »

Some key points in the new CBA, according to 3DownNation & Farhan Lalji's twitter:


Three-year deal with a $50,000 increase in the salary cap each season.

Minimum salary stays the same in 2019 ($53,000) then jumps to $65,000 in 2020 and 2021.

The three-year deal times up with the expiration of the league's TV contract with TSN.

Some form of revenue sharing on any new TV deal and CFL 2.0.

Medical coverage for up to three years for injured players.

Canadian quarterbacks will be part of the ratio.

Some protection for veteran American players, including three of the international starters must have played three years with their current team or four years in the CFL.

The ratio will remain the same through the duration of the CBA.

No more unpaid bonuses in the lead up to a new CBA.

The addition of an extra roster spot for a global player

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« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2019, 10:07:19 PM »

Addition of an extra roster spot for a global player doesn't impress me. It's an arbitrary bias adding a player from a small pool that may not deserve a roster spot. It adds additional cost against the SMS. Effectively it takes up the entire 3 years of increases.

Not sure I agree with Ambrosie on his idea.

Since the global players show as imports does that make them a 5th DI?
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« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2019, 10:22:35 PM »

You can already have more than the minimum number of Canadians on the team. I assume that a Canadian QB is simply going to be counted as one of the 21 if they are a backup and one of the 7 if they are a starter. (The way I think it should have been all along)

I am interested to see how the word the rule change.  Instead of 3 QBs, 21 Cdns and 20 imports (Including 4 DIs), will they go to 22 Cdns and 22 imports?  If so, will they add another DI?

If they add another DI, then the #2 QB is a DI, and the balance stays similar.

If they don?t increase the number of DIs, then a team will still use a DI spot for the #2 QB, but every team will be in the market for a Cdn short yardage and placekick holder specialist. that will free up another import (non DI), which will have the net effect of reducing the starter ratio by one.  This could be a sneaky way of impacting the ratio indirectly.
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« Reply #40 on: May 16, 2019, 12:15:12 AM »

I am interested to see how the word the rule change.  Instead of 3 QBs, 21 Cdns and 20 imports (Including 4 DIs), will they go to 22 Cdns and 22 imports?  If so, will they add another DI?

If they add another DI, then the #2 QB is a DI, and the balance stays similar.

If they don?t increase the number of DIs, then a team will still use a DI spot for the #2 QB, but every team will be in the market for a Cdn short yardage and placekick holder specialist. that will free up another import (non DI), which will have the net effect of reducing the starter ratio by one.  This could be a sneaky way of impacting the ratio indirectly.

It gets slightly more complicated since they are adding a position for a global player. So I see this 24 imports and 21 Canadians on a 45 man roster. IMO the global player becomes a 5th DI.

For a team with a Canadian QB then there would be 23 imports and 22 Canadians but 5 DI's.

I would have preferred dressing all 46 players and eliminating the extra player on the total roster.

That way they could have added one more import ( global player ) and 1 more Canadian while retaining the SMS costs for 46 rather than 47 players.

At least it sounds as the global makes the game day roster 45 instead of 46.
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« Reply #41 on: May 16, 2019, 12:18:18 AM »

BTW. For a sneaky approach you could make Medlock the # 2 QB on the depth chart because the # 2 QB can do kicking duties. The # 2 or # 3 QB can enter games but not necessarily in that order.

Ta Da. One free DI spot. How often do we really need 3 QB's to play in a game as QB's? The # 3 normally is the short yardage guy and / or plays ST's. In the case of the Bombers, Streveler is both the short yardage and the # 2. It's only a " title " as far as # 2 or # 3 though.
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« Reply #42 on: May 16, 2019, 01:46:16 AM »

There's literally nothing in that tweet that suggests veteran American players will be counted as Nationals.

Well I didn't make it up, the rumour originally came from a Canadian Press story.

https://medicinehatnews.com/sports/national-sports/2019/05/15/tentative-deal-gives-americans-incentive-to-remain-with-cfl-teams/

"According to two sources, the proposed three-year deal includes provisions for Americans to be deemed Canadian after as little as three years. Internationals who spent three years on one CFL team will be considered Canadian in their fourth years while Americans who spent four seasons north with more than one club will be considered a national upon their fifth season."

I don't honestly think this will happen, I hope for the sake of transparency the CFL would not announce "the ratio will remain the same through the duration of the CBA" and then attempt a work around like this.
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« Reply #43 on: May 16, 2019, 04:58:58 AM »

Knew it.  Knew they'd get it done, and with time to spare.  My hat goes off to both sides.  Now let's all enjoy some good 2019 football!

Cap continues to rise 50k per year.

The teams that paid out huge for QBs and receivers this year were obviously thinking the cap would go up by more than 50k and that the rookie increase would not be as much. The Lions and Stamps must be really uncomfortable with their SMS right now. Edmonton too.

wow 50-65k per a year ain?t much. Could be a problem for big ticket QB teams?

You guys said it!  PAIN PAIN PAIN for the over-$600k QB clubs.  And I'm loooovin' it!

1. Players will receive revenue sharing of 20% of the TSN deal, 2.0 & more.

How exactly is a 20% TSN share going to work?  Is that in addition to the salaries from SMS?  Or does it arbitrarily increase the SMS each time a new TSN deal is reached?  Confused.

As for 2.0... will the players share in the losses if (when) 2.0 turns into a money-pit boondoogle?

3. Canadian QBs will now be in the ratio

I'm fine with this now.  Let the teams attempting to field a Canadian starter QB gain an extra starter IMP.  Brandon Bridge was so awful they'll lose anyway.

And if some great NAT QB comes along, I'd be fine with that as it would really spice up the game, I think.  Anything that makes the GM chess match more interesting is ok with me.

4. Among the American starters, 3 of them must have played 3 yrs with their existing teams or 4 yrs in #CFL. This in an effort to protect veteran players & build continuity.

I like this, but has anyone worked out what current rosters fit within this rule?  And do they really mean starters, not just AR?  Wow.  And this rule applies now, in year 1 of the new CBA?  That's a bitter pill to swallow for any teams afoul who already have their re-signings and FA acquisitions set.

I see this as kind of an anti-CGY rule.  They are the ones that never pay up for FA vets.  They are the ones always bringing in the new blood and underpaying.

And... could mean someone is hiring Dressler any moment now.

#4 is a kicker, 3 years with a club or 4 years in the league and an Import is considered a Natl.

No.  As everyone said, this is impossible.  The news article stating it just doesn't understand the wording.  Such a thing would be the end of the CFL.  There would literally be no NATs on field anymore.

I think we can all be happy with this new contract.
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« Reply #44 on: May 16, 2019, 04:50:07 PM »


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? global players ... 1 on each roster this season, 2 on each roster for 2020.  2/2
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A few more details from the CFL?s new CBA (still yet to be ratified by players)
? Pending free agent players will be able to talk with any teams for 9 days in advance of opening of free agency.
? training camp padded practices ... was 10 in ?18, 5 this year, 3 in 2020. 1/2
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