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The Zipp
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« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2019, 05:34:39 PM »

Was wondering the same thing about the soccer...I guess if the fans show up it will make all the difference- there will be some sort of operating expenses associated with the team and having home games - if they get only a handful showing up it won't be good.  They must know the number try need to break even and how much that will be needed to contribute positively to the bottom line. 
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« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2019, 05:38:18 PM »

Surprised that playing in the West Semi and West Final cost $470 000. O'Shea and his boys have to find a way to secure a home playoff date this year.
And based on those numbers the league will never go to a 1-6 format, it will always be East vs West. If those Eastern division teams can't host a playoff game then they will never make money.

I wonder if/by how much the new soccer team can help the bottom line.

$470,000 - thanks for that.  Seems awfully high just to transport 60 players, coaches and therapists and provide a few nights accomodations.  So expenses increased by $2.8 million from last year without those two additional road trips.  Why such an increase?

And why have the stadium repayments decreased from $4.5 million to $2.7 million?

They are not doing a good job attracting other events to the stadium.  This will mark the second year in a row there will be no other events.  The soccer team does not count as it is its own entity.  So much for the hope of attracting 3-4 concerts per year as the organization stated when they stadium opened.
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« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2019, 06:48:07 PM »

I wonder if/by how much the new soccer team can help the bottom line.

Bombers own the soccer team. One would hope they'll be hard pressed to lose money on the soccer club. Even if the soccer club itself is losing money, the WPG football club may me making enough off concessions and merchandise sales to offset it or be in a profit position. Owning your venue is usually pretty darn key to making money in the world of professional sports.
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« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2019, 07:57:54 PM »

$470,000 - thanks for that.  Seems awfully high just to transport 60 players, coaches and therapists and provide a few nights accomodations.  So expenses increased by $2.8 million from last year without those two additional road trips.  Why such an increase?


What about player salaries for the playoff games?  I imagine they get paid their regular game wage plus a league bonus if they win.
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« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2019, 08:25:27 PM »

What about player salaries for the playoff games?  I imagine they get paid their regular game wage plus a league bonus if they win.


League pays salaries for playoff games. I guess that number is due to transportation, hotel, and food.

https://cfldb.ca/faq/compensation/
For the five year term of the 2014 CBA, playoff and Grey Cup compensation is as follows:

First Place Standing (Bye)                    $3,400

Semi-Final Participation                       $3,400

Division Championship Participation      $3,600

Grey Cup Runner-up                           $8,000

Grey Cup Winner                               $16,000
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« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2019, 09:44:04 PM »


League pays salaries for playoff games. I guess that number is due to transportation, hotel, and food.

https://cfldb.ca/faq/compensation/
For the five year term of the 2014 CBA, playoff and Grey Cup compensation is as follows:

First Place Standing (Bye)                    $3,400

Semi-Final Participation                       $3,400

Division Championship Participation      $3,600

Grey Cup Runner-up                           $8,000

Grey Cup Winner                               $16,000

I think those are just the bonuses, no?  Surely Nichols and Jake Thomas are not paid the same amount for a playoff game?
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« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2019, 12:00:39 AM »

I think those are just the bonuses, no?  Surely Nichols and Jake Thomas are not paid the same amount for a playoff game?


Yes it's the same, playoffs are where owners make their money. The better the team does in the playoffs, the more leverage the players have in contract negotiations in the off-season. And it's in the off-season negotiations where Nichols would separate himself from Jake Thomas.

"The CBA provides playoff compensation to all active roster and injured list players, but not practice roster players. This payment comes from revenue from the playoff and Grey Cup games and a minimum of $469,200 is paid to 46-man rosters of 3 teams (2 semi-finalists, 1 bye) for each of the division semi-finals ($938,400 total), $331,200 to 2 teams for each of the division finals ($662,400 total) and $1.104 million for the Grey Cup (https://cfldb.ca/faq/compensation/#what-is-the-cfl-per-diem)."

The only exception is practice roster players who continue to receive the weekly pay stated in their practice roster agreement paid by their club.

And ditto for the NHL (https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-player-playoff-compensation/), and NFL (https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/01/05/how-much-do-nfl-players-make-during-playoffs-postseason-payout)




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« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2019, 12:47:02 AM »


Yes it's the same, playoffs are where owners make their money. The better the team does in the playoffs, the more leverage the players have in contract negotiations in the off-season. And it's in the off-season negotiations where Nichols would separate himself from Jake Thomas.

"The CBA provides playoff compensation to all active roster and injured list players, but not practice roster players. This payment comes from revenue from the playoff and Grey Cup games and a minimum of $469,200 is paid to 46-man rosters of 3 teams (2 semi-finalists, 1 bye) for each of the division semi-finals ($938,400 total), $331,200 to 2 teams for each of the division finals ($662,400 total) and $1.104 million for the Grey Cup (https://cfldb.ca/faq/compensation/#what-is-the-cfl-per-diem)."

The only exception is practice roster players who continue to receive the weekly pay stated in their practice roster agreement paid by their club.

And ditto for the NHL (https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-player-playoff-compensation/), and NFL (https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/01/05/how-much-do-nfl-players-make-during-playoffs-postseason-payout)

Bizarre if true, Nichols makes aprox. $25,000 per game based on a salary of $450,000, come playoffs he rakes in $3,400 per game.
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« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2019, 12:30:17 PM »

I always thought that was a bonus.
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« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2019, 12:59:31 PM »

It's not a bonus, that's the way it works. Same as in the NFL too.

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Both the Patriots and the Rams have already earned $83,000 per player in postseason play. That number includes $29,000 for the divisional playoff and $54,000 for the conference championship. So each winner could go home with a total of $201,000.

Players on the losing team won?t go home empty handed, though: Each will receive $59,000 for Sunday?s game. With the rest of the postseason earnings, the individual total playoff bonus could total $142,000.

Postseason pay is egalitarian, meaning the starters, backups, and injured players all take home the same amount, as long as they?ve spent at least three games on their team?s active or inactive list.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/31/how-much-money-super-bowl-winners-and-losers-make.html

There's also a cool article about all major sports here:

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/12/31/16807710/playoff-pay-nfl-nba-mlb-nhl
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« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2019, 01:13:54 PM »

It's not a bonus, that's the way it works. Same as in the NFL too.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/31/how-much-money-super-bowl-winners-and-losers-make.html

There's also a cool article about all major sports here:

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/12/31/16807710/playoff-pay-nfl-nba-mlb-nhl

This is brand new information for me.

My mind is a little blown.
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« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2019, 01:35:26 PM »

This is brand new information for me.

My mind is a little blown.

Yep. It's kind of cool. I can't find examples now but in the past, I remember quotes from players saying they like the playoffs because everyone is equal. That's what they mean. Of course, players often get compensated in their next contract for playoff results but it is an indirect kind of thing.
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« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2019, 01:42:26 PM »

Another cool thing about playoffs is that it's likely viewed in a different way than the regular season. As a player, you negotiate a contract with it in mind you will play just the regular season, whereas playoffs are gravy. You're playing for a championship at that point and can set aside differences in compensation. Really a uniting factor.
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« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2019, 03:23:20 PM »

While there is no per game salary for playoff games, many contracts contain performance bonuses negotiated to offset the lack of playoff salary of varying amounts depending on the player.
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« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2019, 05:21:56 PM »


League pays salaries for playoff games. I guess that number is due to transportation, hotel, and food.

https://cfldb.ca/faq/compensation/
For the five year term of the 2014 CBA, playoff and Grey Cup compensation is as follows:

First Place Standing (Bye)                    $3,400   $68k

Semi-Final Participation                       $3,400    $68k

Division Championship Participation      $3,600     $72k

Grey Cup Runner-up                           $8,000    $160k

Grey Cup Winner                               $16,000    $320k

Current levels of bonus makes the bolded annual equivalent per game....  so sure, QB's are playing cheap the first two rounds, and the winners get paid a QB like game cheque...
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