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« on: December 07, 2018, 04:37:01 AM »

dead serious... yet another new football will attempt to enter the arena, Freedom Football League, put together by Ricky Williams and a host of ex players.

I thought it was a joke at first, but no, seriously as a heart attack... here's a link to their announcement... as a side not, Ricky could have at least worn a clean shirt, one with a collar as well...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkCQ7HXPKpY&feature=youtu.be
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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2018, 04:41:46 AM »

you've got to read their mission statement, for lack of a better term... this is exactly what the world needs...

https://www.freedomfootball.co/movement/
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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2018, 09:11:00 AM »

Just what the world needs, a SJW league   Roll Eyes

The mission is to combat racism?  Hello, football is probably the #1 least racist thing in the whole of the US of A (and Canada) already.  I've never seen anything remotely resembling racism in the modern era of the CFL.  This should be obvious to anyone with eyes: the best players play regardless of their race.  The fans don't care what the dude-sitting-next-to-him's race is.  The players are all players and the fans are all fans.  If there was a race problem in football, why are the vast majority of players not white?  Have they looked at NHL lately? -- methinks they picked the wrong sport to protest.

Football is probably the most color-blind thing I can think of.  Of course, I'm talking in the entirely reasonable, fair and commendable Martin Luther King vision of color-blind, not the post-modern SJW-fabricated (and horribly wrong) version of it.

This new league appears to be an attempt to capitalize on the SJW and millennial movement, in a football setting.  The problem is, SJWs and millennials, for the most part as a demographic, don't like football, regardless of whether it's "progressive" or not.  This won't change that.  And those team names... puke.

I doubt this league even plays one game, and if it does, this will be the first of the 4 or 5 pro leagues we'll have in 2020 to fail.  I'd worry more about the AAAAAF.  And if any of these leagues do take off, just watch the NFL come in and crush them like little bugs by: undercutting them on price, playing the SJW-card themselves, working with TV networks to ban coverage, etc.

That said, I do like the "Players at the Center" ideas on better supporting injured players post-career (think Hefney).  And player/fan-owned is cool (but who knows how you structure that in practice).  So it's not entirely without merit, they are just  focussing on the wrong things as a ploy to reach an untapped market.

But as for "no billionaires"?  How arbitrary and ridiculous.  So a guy who has $999M is allowed to partake, but if he earns just that 1 more million he's out?  Is someone with 500M really any different than someone with 1000M?  Dumbest thing I ever heard.  So uber-progressive SJW-savior Apple CEO and billionaire Tim Cook wants to be involved and they are going to tell him to take a hike?   Riiiiiiiiiiiggggghhhht.
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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2018, 11:43:45 AM »

As stated by Dave Naylor yesterday...
Between the three new leagues and all those teams...
Those are a lot of football players who would have been coming to Canada...
Don't have any idea how CFL teams are going to get American players up here, when there are going to be so many football jobs and American $ to choose from.
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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2018, 01:02:58 PM »

As stated by Dave Naylor yesterday...
Between the three new leagues and all those teams...
Those are a lot of football players who would have been coming to Canada...
Don't have any idea how CFL teams are going to get American players up here, when there are going to be so many football jobs and American $ to choose from.

You don't understand how we can get players then you don't understand the difference between our games. 4 down football, especially those looking to be NFL feeder leagues, and they all will because they need the NFL's support....will not be looking at the same type of players as we do in Canada. We recruit the tweeners at most positions. The NFL puts it's recruits on a measuring tape first and foremost and eliminates all but the uber talented that don't make the cut. You have to have the measurables. If you don't have the measurables for the NFL there is little point to a feeder league bringing you in. In the CFL we love those guys...some of the best players ever to play the CFL game were here because the NFL wouldn't look at them because they were 30 lbs too light, 4 inches too short, or ran a 4.6/40 instead of a 4.5/40. An NFL feeder league ran by ex-NFLers will not feel any differently about these tweeners and we will get them.

Here in the CFL we recruit based on the ability to ball, in the US they use measurables and then find the ballers out of that group.
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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2018, 01:10:46 PM »

As stated by Dave Naylor yesterday...
Between the three new leagues and all those teams...
Those are a lot of football players who would have been coming to Canada...
Don't have any idea how CFL teams are going to get American players up here, when there are going to be so many football jobs and American $ to choose from.

We get it: you are by far the most panicked person in the world about these new leagues.

This one appears to be the biggest joke of them all.
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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2018, 01:21:47 PM »

This one appears to be the biggest joke of them all.

Agreed. I watched the YouTube video and found it kind of funny how they slammed (albeit gently) their former employer that allowed them to have a good portion of the wealth they have today.

And you know they're just dying to sign Colin Kaepernick.
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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2018, 01:28:33 PM »

As stated by Dave Naylor yesterday...
Between the three new leagues and all those teams...
Those are a lot of football players who would have been coming to Canada...
Don't have any idea how CFL teams are going to get American players up here, when there are going to be so many football jobs and American $ to choose from.

There are 16 new teams, each of them with 50 players. That's 800 players. Do you have any idea how many NCAA football players graduate each year? There are literally thousands of players available each year. Even if these leagues get traction...which is doubtful...they will only be looking for roughly 300 players a year to upgrade their rosters. The NFL releases more than that in a year, never mind the top undrafted FA's. There's lots of players to go around.

If these were new leagues of 25 teams paying NFL like money I would worry...but 8 team leagues that will have trouble with their cheques clearing and playing in front of 6000 fans a game...Relax.
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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2018, 01:31:52 PM »

From a moral standpoint, good on Ricky Williams and that "league" for doing what they think is right. Doing a quick read of their site, they point out a lot of social and economic issues around NFL football that need to be addressed or discussed. From a business standpoint, hopefully they haven't put a lot of their own cash into it because the league is going to be squashed flat. Feels more like a clever way to get messaging out to football fans and the public than it does a real league.
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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2018, 01:52:46 PM »

As stated by Dave Naylor yesterday...
Between the three new leagues and all those teams...
Those are a lot of football players who would have been coming to Canada...
Don't have any idea how CFL teams are going to get American players up here, when there are going to be so many football jobs and American $ to choose from.

lol you are really scared eh?
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« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2018, 01:53:20 PM »

From a moral standpoint, good on Ricky Williams and that "league" for doing what they think is right. Doing a quick read of their site, they point out a lot of social and economic issues around NFL football that need to be addressed or discussed. From a business standpoint, hopefully they haven't put a lot of their own cash into it because the league is going to be squashed flat. Feels more like a clever way to get messaging out to football fans and the public than it does a real league.

Unlike the other leagues - which appear to desire to be feeder leagues to the NFL - this one seems like it wants to be a true alternative to what they see as an outdated model.

I don't have any faith in any of these leagues. However, they each seem to have their own unique ideas. Some of which I hope the CFL and NFL adopt to make the 'real' leagues stronger.
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« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2018, 02:09:11 PM »

Unlike the other leagues - which appear to desire to be feeder leagues to the NFL - this one seems like it wants to be a true alternative to what they see as an outdated model.

I don't have any faith in any of these leagues. However, they each seem to have their own unique ideas. Some of which I hope the CFL and NFL adopt to make the 'real' leagues stronger.

Like what?
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« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2018, 03:01:26 PM »

Unlike the other leagues - which appear to desire to be feeder leagues to the NFL - this one seems like it wants to be a true alternative to what they see as an outdated model.

I don't have any faith in any of these leagues. However, they each seem to have their own unique ideas. Some of which I hope the CFL and NFL adopt to make the 'real' leagues stronger.

Right now what all these leagues are doing is selling snake oil. The pitches are fantastic, but ultimately unrealistic and unsustainable...but they have to get guys to come out and play. Once these leagues are operational, things like paid university, bonuses for social media, etc will all be shelved. The owners of these leagues can promise the players the moon because they do not have player unions yet. I like some of the ideas, but realistically these leagues won't be able to afford them, and that's the bottom line really. How many guys do you think are going to get the full 3 years in the AAF...not many because that's when they are eligible for these long term benefits, much like how the NFL will cut most fringe players a game before they are eligible for pension.

These guys have signed contracts worth 75k a year with some vague promises of bonuses and education that have not been collectively bargained. To the players in these leagues....good luck with that.
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« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2018, 05:28:15 PM »

Agreed. I watched the YouTube video and found it kind of funny how they slammed (albeit gently) their former employer that allowed them to have a good portion of the wealth they have today.

And you know they're just dying to sign Colin Kaepernick.

Surprised he isn't one of the founding owners at least, and then he could play for "his" team when he doesn't get an invite back into the NFL...
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« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2018, 06:33:58 PM »

Surprised he isn't one of the founding owners at least, and then he could play for "his" team when he doesn't get an invite back into the NFL...

You have to have money to own stuff. Kaepernick hasn't worked in a while.
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« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2018, 07:04:03 PM »

You have to have money to own stuff. Kaepernick hasn't worked in a while.

Yeah, Nike is not a job... and with a net worth of $20mil, he might be in the "not invited" club...
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« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2018, 08:16:17 PM »

They mentioned this briefly at the end of PTI yesterday. I agree with what was said then. How many football leagues do we need?
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« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2018, 05:13:03 AM »

well, I can say with a high degree of confidence that at least 2 of the 3 won't make it... I go you one farther and say at least 1 of the 3 will never play a game...
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« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2018, 03:10:46 PM »

They mentioned this briefly at the end of PTI yesterday. I agree with what was said then. How many football leagues do we need?

All of these new football leagues coming on line in roughly the same time frame will cause a lot of ruckus and noise but like too many political parties trumping the same agenda they will inevitability cancel each other out.  The casual football fan instead of embracing them will largely lump them together and tune them out as a group and quickly fall back on their old established viewing habits. 
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« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2018, 03:28:53 PM »

So, we have:

A league led by media guys that espouses a flat salary scale but adds in health, education and other benefits.

A league owned by WWE wrestling, with no independent ownership, which will be savvy in marketing and going dorrectly at the NFL but in the offseason.

A league owned by everyone, executives, former players and you.  A "social justice" league to "develop young men", playing a 7 on 7 game. 

Kind of a diverse set of business plans, will be interesting to see if any work out.

On a side note, in all these news releases, I was impressed at how many of these players had transitioned into bowling at a professional level.  And then I realized, they aren't former Pro Bowlers, they are former ProBowlers. 
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« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2018, 03:35:42 PM »

With the CFL implementing a cap on operations this won't bode well for the quality of our league.   I'm not sure how reducing a teams ability to employ coaches is going to improve the overall product on the field?  Am I missing something?   Having all these extra leagues competing for players and coaches will have a tremendous impact on the CFL and it won't be good either.   We will be losing both players and coaches to three new leagues and it will take time to assess just how much of an impact it will be.   Not all of the three will survive however this new one is very political and challenges the traditional status quo.   Rough times ahead for the CFL at least for the next few years....until all the dust settles!
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« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2018, 05:02:28 PM »

Like what?

Not all of them are feasible, but there are a couple of cool ideas:

- no tv timeouts and less commercials (they want the runtimes down to 2.5 hours)
- outside organizations will handle head safety protocol
- cheap food concessions are planned
- the health care and scholarships they have planned are not really viable, but I think improvements along those lines need to be made
- live streaming
- the general reimagining of a game that is literally killing players and gouging fans. It would be nice if games were more affordable to go to and player health and safety was taken more seriously
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« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2018, 05:15:20 PM »

As to the quality of the league, not sure it will have that much effect.  It will be a level playing field, if quality of talent drops, it will drop for everyone.  There will still be outstanding players (amongst all the players in the league).  There will still be crappy players that barely make the roster purely based on Nat status or familiarity with the playbook.

There will be the dynasty they Calgary of AC Montreal teams that find/keep good players and coaches, and an ebb/flo of the other teams that rise and fall...  but all teams will have the same restrictions and pool of players. 

We might lose some talent, sure, but with more players out there post college making a career out of football, maybe it actually opens up some opportunities for that tweener that can be a star in an XFL/FFL/AAF situation but can't crack an NFL squad, but would be able to make a little more as a star here.

It is still the NFL we will lose our top talent to, we're not losing any $150k/yr+ players (like a Bighill, Solly, Chungh, Harris) to those leagues, and not to the NFL (at least for long).  So we keep our status as a place for top non-NFL talent, and for the opportunity to play the top level of pro ball other than NFL, and get noticed against other top talent.

 
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« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2018, 08:41:07 PM »

I'm not worried about coaches. I'm more worried about having scouts that can find the best of the players that are left. The only league that I have any real concern about is the AAF because they'll be going after players straight out of college which is what the CFL does.
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« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2018, 09:42:33 AM »

Ricky Williams was a very good running back.
He smoked lots of weed.
Would you hire him other than as a lawn maintenance guy?
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« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2018, 08:30:42 PM »

Yeah, Nike is not a job... and with a net worth of $20mil, he might be in the "not invited" club...

The only way he keeps his NIKE endorsement is if he remains Kaepernick the "unfairly unemployed" QB. The second he goes to some 2nd rate league and starts playing Nike washes his hands of him.
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