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kkc60
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« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2018, 06:56:38 PM »

I've found our returners all hesitate. I know they're looking for an opening,
but by the time they've taken that second or two to look, the cover team
has converged on them. Just go! I also blame our blocking on returns.
It's pretty much non-existent in my opinion.
Yeah no our blocks are non-existent. I think losing Renaud, Corney and Gauthier and plugging in guys like Rush and Morgan has hurt a bit
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« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2018, 07:08:57 PM »

You guys are rediculous.  This Nelson kid got positive yards and  knows how to run,...he should be a starter. He can actually play!  Come on boys!
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« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2018, 07:48:51 PM »

This is, to me, a typical example of what happens when a new player comes in.  We all, and I include myself, get excited when the new guy does something good and ignore the faults.  Just exactly the opposite of how we see the veterans.   Same applies with Streveler and Nichols.
We rightly enjoy Streveler's running but if Nichols failed to see open receivers as Streveler did in the first half, he would be crucified by many.

Agree -- Nichols reads the field well, but isn't as mobile (though he's been trying lately!); Streveler is very mobile and adds a new dimension there, but needs improvement at reading the field and coverage.  Hopefully, though, Nichols can help Streveler improve in that area.

Just go! I also blame our blocking on returns.
It's pretty much non-existent in my opinion.

Agree here, too.  It seems odd that *nobody* we put in to return kicks/punts gets very far (and we've tried a lot of people: Fogg, Demski, Lafrance, Flanders, Lankford, Nelson, possibly more I'm forgetting...).  I've long suspected the problem may be more in the blocks than in the returner. 
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« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2018, 07:58:46 PM »

Fogg doesn't return kicks


No that's right....he just pretends to return kicks...just catches them and flops...Let's face it Fogg hasn't looked good on the returns this year...He flashes every once in awhile but not at all like the year he was taking them back for six BUT had them called back on many occasion....Maybe he just gave up...His cover ability on D isn't that great either and he better pick up his game or he'll be on the outside looking in next year


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« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2018, 10:16:18 PM »


No that's right....he just pretends to return kicks...just catches them and flops...Let's face it Fogg hasn't looked good on the returns this year...He flashes every once in awhile but not at all like the year he was taking them back for six BUT had them called back on many occasion....Maybe he just gave up...His cover ability on D isn't that great either and he better pick up his game or he'll be on the outside looking in next year




Fogg has only returned one kick this entire season. Do none of you actually watch this team?
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« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2018, 11:35:04 PM »

I mentioned it once earlier but is there a chance they could replace Thompkins with Nelson going forward this season. I'm not suggesting releasing Thompkins just sending him to 1 game IR.

I like Thompkins but he isn't getting many opportunities lately. Nelson might add in some extra versatility on returns, sweeps, runs and even trick plays ( passes ).

My only concern would be whether Thompkins is used much in blocking assignments that Nelson might not be able to handle. He's the size of Dressler.

In any case he showed enough to get another chance in TC 2019 IMO.

Was Thompkins even on the field yesterday?  If so I didn't notice him.  If Nelson pans out as a very good returner in next year's T.C. I'd be happy if they kept him as a backup receiver over Washington, who seems to be one of those tall lanky receivers that doesn't offer a lot of upside, speed or muscle beyond what we've already seen from him, which isn't enough imo.  Very much like the previous Washington, and I can say that with impunity now that the wrath of Chevelle has vanished.  Grin
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« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2018, 11:42:15 PM »

He looked good in a game that meant nothing.

He showed promise and looked good.  Likely not ready.
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« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2018, 02:41:51 AM »

He looked good in a game that meant nothing.

He showed promise and looked good.  Likely not ready.
It meant nothing to the standings or the fans but trust me it meant a lot for everyone on the field. The importance of the game shouldn't be factored into how he performed
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« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2018, 08:04:37 PM »

When he eventually gets the ball into his hands Nelson looks decent on kickoff returns but his punt returns were not at all good.  However, I believe our return team has been adversely affected by injuries to people like Corney and Gauthier, so we probably won't really know about him this season.  He let a couple of kicks bounce when they should have been caught.  That will need to be fixed.

This is, to me, a typical example of what happens when a new player comes in.  We all, and I include myself, get excited when the new guy does something good and ignore the faults.  Just exactly the opposite of how we see the veterans.   Same applies with Streveler and Nichols.

You pegged that perfectly.  We ignore new guy faults because we're all thinking "oh, he'll learn / improve".  Sometimes they don't!

I've found our returners all hesitate. I know they're looking for an opening,
but by the time they've taken that second or two to look, the cover team
has converged on them. Just go! I also blame our blocking on returns.
It's pretty much non-existent in my opinion.


If the refs aren't going to call holding and IB on sneaky, underhanded holds and IB like SSK does on every ST play, then we should be holding and IBing too.  I think SSK spends a huge amount of practice and study time on perfecting the hidden/nebulous holds/IBs on STs to make up for their lack of O.  It's a smart move, actually: ST plays are so chaotic by nature the refs can't see even half of what's going on.

Just wait and watch how slimy SSK ST blocking will be in the WSF.
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« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2018, 08:41:20 PM »

Seriously this guy looks like a keeper.
Too small sample size but makes it hard not to see if he's
a legit playmaker. I want to see more of this little guy and all over the field.
Hell he could be the next star DB but I'd really like to line him up in the slot for
a look see first.
He runs tough too for a smaller player and at a minimum should
Find a home on teams somewhere.
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« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2018, 08:43:20 PM »

Was Thompkins even on the field yesterday?  If so I didn't notice him.  If Nelson pans out as a very good returner in next year's T.C. I'd be happy if they kept him as a backup receiver over Washington, who seems to be one of those tall lanky receivers that doesn't offer a lot of upside, speed or muscle beyond what we've already seen from him, which isn't enough imo.  Very much like the previous Washington, and I can say that with impunity now that the wrath of Chevelle has vanished.  Grin
I re-watched the game last night and the only time that I saw Thompkins was on the sidelines wearing one of those hats with the ear flaps. So I don't believe he even played.
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« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2018, 08:46:59 PM »

Nelson was good on Saturday. Looked like a far better kick returner than Demski/LaFrance/Flanders. Punt returns weren't great but there's normally more of a learning curve for imports there and he might just be a more natural kick returner.
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« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2018, 10:25:26 PM »

He also had three tackles on the teams. Nice to have him and Lankford out there on teams for there speed.
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« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2018, 11:03:21 PM »

He also had three tackles on the teams. Nice to have him and Lankford out there on teams for there speed.

noticed him on teams too, he needs to do many things well to make the club next year
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« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2018, 02:16:10 PM »

Fogg has only returned one kick this entire season. Do none of you actually watch this team?

The Fogg hate is priceless, eh? Only because it's so woefully ignorant. He doesn't return kick-offs and is pretty much strictly a punt returner. And as far as punt returns go, he finished second in the league.

Another fun fact: he led the league in missed FG returns.

As far as Nelson goes, I thought he had a solid game on Saturday. Potential is there.
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