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« Reply #30 on: July 20, 2018, 04:34:21 AM »

Great job by Jones on executing a couple plays.
His QBs are awful.  But at least Bridges has gained some valuable experience.

Hammy caught off guard a little bit.   A couple plays killed them.

Thank God Montreal is in the league.

So, teams (BC last week,,Sask this week) are starting to correct mistakes and execute. Mid part of season so I guess that is about time.

Bombers scare the hell out of me.
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« Reply #31 on: July 20, 2018, 07:48:12 AM »

It really is. Did the TiCats not play before they played us?

Yes, Hall should have found a way, any way, but maybe he's never played against a all-7-front-all-the-time O before in his whole life!  Heck, how many of us have seen that before?  I don't remember it anywhere.  That's why we were all shocked in the gameday thread when it was occurring.

To address your point, I don't recall TiCats doing the all-7 in their 2(?) earlier games.  I didn't notice anything special about their D at all.  I sure wish I had kept those games PVRd for a few more weeks.  True, we analyze the games vs us (especially when we get whipped) a lot more than we do games that don't involve us.  However, one would think that the weird HAM D would have stood out, at least to someone on this forum!!

Perhaps HAM used it sparingly vs other teams before they played us, but realized early in the vs WPG game that Hall had no answer for it at all, and thus turned the whole game into that scheme.  It sure as heck is obvious CJ planned for it and neutralized it, and he didn't do that in-game, he did that pre-game with film study and game planning.

No, none of this excuses Hall for not being able to adjust against a new look.  However, if it's so crazy a look that he literally had no idea, then I can somewhat understand.  What if a team came to IGF next time and had a 9 man OL on their first play?  Would any coach in the CFL have any idea what to make of that?  And what if it proved brilliant?  That's kind of what we were dealing with.  How do you deal with something you've never thought of or practised against?

You all realize that Hall will be ready for that 7OL look in our next HAM game, right?  If JJ was really sneaky, he'd abandon that look completely and switch to something else just to catch us off guard and wasting our time chasing shadows.
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« Reply #32 on: July 20, 2018, 11:58:23 AM »

Oh god relax, BC was 1-7 at labor day in 2011 and won the cup. Bombers were 1-4 two years ago and everyone was writing them off back then. It's still early.
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« Reply #33 on: July 20, 2018, 12:13:47 PM »

Oh god relax, BC was 1-7 at labor day in 2011 and won the cup. Bombers were 1-4 two years ago and everyone was writing them off back then. It's still early.

Nevertheless, it's still troubling. The Bombers should be better than 2-3 right now.
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« Reply #34 on: July 20, 2018, 12:28:33 PM »

Yes we should, but we are not. The CFL is won and lost after labor day. Make the playoffs and anything is possible. I think we should be 4-1, but the bomber need to learn how to finish game. Last year we couldn't score early in game lately it's the second half.
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« Reply #35 on: July 20, 2018, 12:35:04 PM »

Talk about outcoaching himself.  June Jones laid a huge egg out there...  kicking out of his endzone..  the "quick kick" fiasco....  Hamilton melted down. 

Kudos to SSK for actually taking advantage of it.
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« Reply #36 on: July 20, 2018, 01:08:35 PM »

The Riders won back to back (with a week off in the middle) against the Ticats who beat us badly.

Are the Riders better than we thought they were? Are we worse than we thought we were? Are the Ticats as good as we made them out to be?

The Riders win puts some extra pressure on us to win tomorrow so we don't fall too far behind. If the Lions win tonight, the pressure will be even higher.
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« Reply #37 on: July 20, 2018, 01:15:15 PM »

The Riders won back to back (with a week off in the middle) against the Ticats who beat us badly.

Are the Riders better than we thought they were? Are we worse than we thought we were? Are the Ticats as good as we made them out to be?

The Riders win puts some extra pressure on us to win tomorrow so we don't fall too far behind. If the Lions win tonight, the pressure will be even higher.

Let me see if I can answer your questions

Are the Riders better than we thought they were - YES

Are we worse than we thought we were - OH HECK YES

Are the TiCats as good as we made them out to be - YES - only when playing against a Richie Hall Defense
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« Reply #38 on: July 20, 2018, 01:19:40 PM »

Let me see if I can answer your questions

Are the Riders better than we thought they were - YES

Are we worse than we thought we were - OH HECK YES

Are the TiCats as good as we made them out to be - YES - only when playing against a Richie Hall Defense
The Ticats did pretty well against Edmonton too. Maybe Edmonton isn't as good as we thought they were.
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« Reply #39 on: July 20, 2018, 01:30:13 PM »

The Ticats did pretty well against Edmonton too. Maybe Edmonton isn't as good as we thought they were.

All teams even Calgary are flawed. It?s a weird year so far.
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« Reply #40 on: July 20, 2018, 01:56:40 PM »

Oh god relax, BC was 1-7 at labor day in 2011 and won the cup. Bombers were 1-4 two years ago and everyone was writing them off back then. It's still early.

Sorry those aren't very good examples. Big difference between Lulay the MOP of the year in 2011 and MVP of the Grey Cup and Matt Nichols who is yet to win a playoff game.
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« Reply #41 on: July 20, 2018, 02:13:29 PM »

Yes, Hall should have found a way, any way, but maybe he's never played against a all-7-front-all-the-time O before in his whole life!  Heck, how many of us have seen that before?  I don't remember it anywhere.  That's why we were all shocked in the gameday thread when it was occurring.

To address your point, I don't recall TiCats doing the all-7 in their 2(?) earlier games.  I didn't notice anything special about their D at all.  I sure wish I had kept those games PVRd for a few more weeks.  True, we analyze the games vs us (especially when we get whipped) a lot more than we do games that don't involve us.  However, one would think that the weird HAM D would have stood out, at least to someone on this forum!!

Perhaps HAM used it sparingly vs other teams before they played us, but realized early in the vs WPG game that Hall had no answer for it at all, and thus turned the whole game into that scheme.  It sure as heck is obvious CJ planned for it and neutralized it, and he didn't do that in-game, he did that pre-game with film study and game planning.

No, none of this excuses Hall for not being able to adjust against a new look.  However, if it's so crazy a look that he literally had no idea, then I can somewhat understand.  What if a team came to IGF next time and had a 9 man OL on their first play?  Would any coach in the CFL have any idea what to make of that?  And what if it proved brilliant?  That's kind of what we were dealing with.  How do you deal with something you've never thought of or practised against?

You all realize that Hall will be ready for that 7OL look in our next HAM game, right?  If JJ was really sneaky, he'd abandon that look completely and switch to something else just to catch us off guard and wasting our time chasing shadows.

That's a lot of maybes and perhapses. They ran the 7 OL against Calgary and Edmonton. Calgary had 0 film on it and they won. You say you arent making excuses, but you proceed to make excuses and put them in the form of a question in order to only suggest them. Hall didnt adjust. This wasnt their first time using it and yeah they used it more against us because we were incapable of countering it. That's on Hall.
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« Reply #42 on: July 20, 2018, 02:16:29 PM »

Yes, Hall should have found a way, any way, but maybe he's never played against a all-7-front-all-the-time O before in his whole life!  Heck, how many of us have seen that before?  I don't remember it anywhere.  That's why we were all shocked in the gameday thread when it was occurring.

To address your point, I don't recall TiCats doing the all-7 in their 2(?) earlier games.  I didn't notice anything special about their D at all.  I sure wish I had kept those games PVRd for a few more weeks.  True, we analyze the games vs us (especially when we get whipped) a lot more than we do games that don't involve us.  However, one would think that the weird HAM D would have stood out, at least to someone on this forum!!

Perhaps HAM used it sparingly vs other teams before they played us, but realized early in the vs WPG game that Hall had no answer for it at all, and thus turned the whole game into that scheme.  It sure as heck is obvious CJ planned for it and neutralized it, and he didn't do that in-game, he did that pre-game with film study and game planning.

No, none of this excuses Hall for not being able to adjust against a new look.  However, if it's so crazy a look that he literally had no idea, then I can somewhat understand.  What if a team came to IGF next time and had a 9 man OL on their first play?  Would any coach in the CFL have any idea what to make of that?  And what if it proved brilliant?  That's kind of what we were dealing with.  How do you deal with something you've never thought of or practised against?

You all realize that Hall will be ready for that 7OL look in our next HAM game, right?  If JJ was really sneaky, he'd abandon that look completely and switch to something else just to catch us off guard and wasting our time chasing shadows.


Not true, Hamilton played the same O scheme against Edm and Cgy. the first two weeks of the season that they used against Wpg. in week #3.  Whitlock a D.E. has been parked in the backfield as a R.B. all season long in addition to their double T.E. formation.  Mazoli's accuracy along with his magical ability to escape pressure seems to have vanished.
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« Reply #43 on: July 20, 2018, 02:27:11 PM »

Not true, Hamilton played the same O scheme against Edm and Cgy. the first two weeks of the season that they used against Wpg. in week #3.  Whitlock a D.E. has been parked in the backfield as a R.B. all season long in addition to their double T.E. formation.  Mazoli's accuracy along with his magical ability to escape pressure seems to have vanished.

It vanished because Jones in Sask. was pulling stunts, 3-4s,4-3s, bringing the house, backing off with blitz looks initially, etc., spying Masoli. I saw less of that in the Hamilton game but Jones managed to get in the head of Masoli and the OC. The final example of that was Masoli fumbling the ball late in the game with a couple of Sask. d guys coming strong at him. No one touched him but he panicked.. Not one TD pass in 2 games. Masterful d. Hall is incapable of that kind of strategy or is unwilling to risk. Jones is the polar opposite of Hall. 
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« Reply #44 on: July 20, 2018, 02:33:48 PM »

Yes, Hall should have found a way, any way, but maybe he's never played against a all-7-front-all-the-time O before in his whole life!  Heck, how many of us have seen that before?  I don't remember it anywhere.  That's why we were all shocked in the gameday thread when it was occurring.

To address your point, I don't recall TiCats doing the all-7 in their 2(?) earlier games.  I didn't notice anything special about their D at all.  I sure wish I had kept those games PVRd for a few more weeks.  True, we analyze the games vs us (especially when we get whipped) a lot more than we do games that don't involve us.  However, one would think that the weird HAM D would have stood out, at least to someone on this forum!!

Perhaps HAM used it sparingly vs other teams before they played us, but realized early in the vs WPG game that Hall had no answer for it at all, and thus turned the whole game into that scheme.  It sure as heck is obvious CJ planned for it and neutralized it, and he didn't do that in-game, he did that pre-game with film study and game planning.

No, none of this excuses Hall for not being able to adjust against a new look.  However, if it's so crazy a look that he literally had no idea, then I can somewhat understand.  What if a team came to IGF next time and had a 9 man OL on their first play?  Would any coach in the CFL have any idea what to make of that?  And what if it proved brilliant?  That's kind of what we were dealing with.  How do you deal with something you've never thought of or practised against?

You all realize that Hall will be ready for that 7OL look in our next HAM game, right?  If JJ was really sneaky, he'd abandon that look completely and switch to something else just to catch us off guard and wasting our time chasing shadows.


7 man front meant 8 players in coverage against 4 receivers and we still couldn't keep close to receivers. So I call BS on any of this being new to Hall.

The Riders and Ticats both looked inept on offense yesterday. A few big plays by the Riders and a few stupid plays by the Ticats cost them the win.

A quick kick / onside formation on 3rd and 13 from their own end? Did that fool anybody in the country. That was the big momentum shift and was as dumb a play as I've seen in quite some time by any team.
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