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« on: April 10, 2018, 11:10:58 AM »

Wade Miller announced yesterday the Bombers will be taking over some of the game day food. He said "some items will be cheaper". Sure hope it's going to be good quality.
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« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2018, 11:55:11 AM »

I think it's a good idea for the Bombers to take over more of the game day good management.  I've called the Bombers a couple times with questions on food services at IGF and often they cannot respond and say it is managed by a third party (can't remember the companies name right now).  The Bombers did implement some cheaper options last year, which were a little hard to find, and nice to see more options will be implemented this season. 
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« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2018, 12:36:52 PM »

I'm more interested in cheaper beer prices
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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2018, 12:39:22 PM »

I'm more interested in cheaper beer prices

lol don?t bet on it!
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« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2018, 12:50:30 PM »

I'm more interested in cheaper beer prices

Don't hold your breath. Especially with that stupid "escalator" tax on beer slated to start this month.
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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2018, 01:03:05 PM »

Don't hold your breath. Especially with that stupid "escalator" tax on beer slated to start this month.

I haven?t heard of this. Can you expand?
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« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2018, 01:15:44 PM »

Wade Miller announced yesterday the Bombers will be taking over some of the game day food. He said "some items will be cheaper". Sure hope it's going to be good quality.
Last year we were told that some items like chicken tenders were going to be cheaper.

Well, the price of chicken tenders and fries actually went up in price.

The company that runs the Bombers concessions is Ovations Food Services.
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« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2018, 01:20:38 PM »

Don't hold your breath. Especially with that stupid "escalator" tax on beer slated to start this month.

Lol I know it won't happen
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« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2018, 01:21:24 PM »

Wade Miller announced yesterday the Bombers will be taking over some of the game day food. He said "some items will be cheaper". Sure hope it's going to be good quality.

I would bet money that cheaper prices will equal cheaper quality.  It may "taste" the same, but pretty much everything tastes the same when its deep fried in lard.
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« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2018, 01:30:59 PM »

I haven?t heard of this. Can you expand?

I'm no fan of more tax but this is much ado about nothing when you do the math. A lobby group for a couple of big breweries is all up in arms and trying to scare (possibly mislead) people into thinking they're going to be paying a lot more for beer (the tax is indexed to inflation so it will go up each year, hence the sensationalist headline 'escalator'). They always leave out the fact that the tax is on every 100 liters of beer. It might cut into their profits a bit - but it won't hurt you.

Essentially this year the tax will go from 10.8 cents to 11 cents per bottle. To put that into perspective, in order for it to cost you $10 dollars next year, you'd have to buy 3432 beers (or 143 cases of 24 bottles). Looking at it another way, assuming the projections are correct in terms of 1.5% increases year-over-year, the case of beer will go up by $1 in 2040 (as a result of this tax).

Here's a good article with in-depth analysis if you're really interested, it's also a good lesson not to trust industry lobby groups in the slightest:
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/jordan-stjohn-/let-me-break-down-what-canadas-escalating-beer-tax-will-really-cost-you_a_23340121/


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« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2018, 01:42:13 PM »

An interesting solution IMO would be for the Bombers to manage ~half of the concession areas and handle the most basic stuff: hot dogs, burgers, chicken fingers, fries/poutine and Inbev beer and soft drinks, and then license out the other half to established, niche brands like Clay oven, Shawarma, perogies, craft/microbrew, etc kind of like Shaw Park. The Bomber stuff could be kept at a reduced cost (relative to paying the profit margins of a third party) and they would still make a killing because of both volume and that their product is the highest demand anyway, and the other "premium outlets" could charge more for those willing to pay more for something different/higher quality. Seems win-win.
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« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2018, 01:43:55 PM »

Last year we were told that some items like chicken tenders were going to be cheaper.

Well, the price of chicken tenders and fries actually went up in price.

The company that runs the Bombers concessions is Ovations Food Services.
This is true.  My GF gets chicken fingers and fries most games, and for the first few games last season the price changed every game.  So we followed up and the Bombers could not answer our questions as to why the price changed every game.  A few months later we received a reply saying that it was an issue with training Ovations staff and they were not ringing it up in the cash register properly.  Long story short, the price did go up quite a but last year for chicken fingers and fries.  Bomber office was very nice in that they gave us a couple coupons for food in the concourse.  
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« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2018, 01:45:47 PM »

An interesting solution IMO would be for the Bombers to manage ~half of the concession areas and handle the most basic stuff: hot dogs, burgers, chicken fingers, fries/poutine and Inbev beer and soft drinks, and then license out the other half to established, niche brands like Clay oven, Shawarma, perogies, craft/microbrew, etc kind of like Shaw Park. The Bomber stuff could be kept at a reduced cost (relative to paying the profit margins of a third party) and they would still make a killing because of both volume and that their product is the highest demand anyway, and the other "premium outlets" could charge more for those willing to pay more for something different/higher quality. Seems win-win.
I agree.  All Ovations does is ad to the cost by creating a middle man.  Bombers doing it themselves would allow more control over the costs, and likely lower prices.  Downside is that Wade then needs to worry about hiring people to work in the concessions, which is probably a challenge given the limited number of hours.
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« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2018, 03:27:18 PM »

I agree.  All Ovations does is ad to the cost by creating a middle man.  Bombers doing it themselves would allow more control over the costs, and likely lower prices.  Downside is that Wade then needs to worry about hiring people to work in the concessions, which is probably a challenge given the limited number of hours.

Staffing event concessions is a huge headache, and trying to run quality control of a food service outlet is challenging at the best of time, add in the headaches of it being event based, and there is a reason it is farmed out. 

With the right staff and crew, it could be both an amazing product and an amazing profit centre.  But that would mean WFC would have to make it worthwhile and commit to some of that staff and crew year round to be available for 11 games a year.  I think the last thing WFC club wants to get into is the food service industry.  Maybe there is a strategic partnership with a soup kitchen or the university commissary...

That said, I know last year that they were venturing into it a bit, in some of the carts.  The same crew that does the Pinnacle Club was doing the tacos, and I'm pretty sure those weren't ovations people. 
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« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2018, 03:39:46 PM »

Staffing event concessions is a huge headache, and trying to run quality control of a food service outlet is challenging at the best of time, add in the headaches of it being event based, and there is a reason it is farmed out. 

With the right staff and crew, it could be both an amazing product and an amazing profit centre.  But that would mean WFC would have to make it worthwhile and commit to some of that staff and crew year round to be available for 11 games a year.  I think the last thing WFC club wants to get into is the food service industry.  Maybe there is a strategic partnership with a soup kitchen or the university commissary...

That said, I know last year that they were venturing into it a bit, in some of the carts.  The same crew that does the Pinnacle Club was doing the tacos, and I'm pretty sure those weren't ovations people. 
I noticed that the Bombers have some career fairs coming up, so maybe that's part of their plan to take over the concessions.  I believe the career fair ads said it was for seasonal part-time work. 
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« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2018, 04:16:21 PM »

I haven?t heard of this. Can you expand?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/beer-canada-tax-prices-1.4491183

I'm no fan of more tax but this is much ado about nothing when you do the math. A lobby group for a couple of big breweries is all up in arms and trying to scare (possibly mislead) people into thinking they're going to be paying a lot more for beer (the tax is indexed to inflation so it will go up each year, hence the sensationalist headline 'escalator'). They always leave out the fact that the tax is on every 100 liters of beer. It might cut into their profits a bit - but it won't hurt you.

Essentially this year the tax will go from 10.8 cents to 11 cents per bottle. To put that into perspective, in order for it to cost you $10 dollars next year, you'd have to buy 3432 beers (or 143 cases of 24 bottles). Looking at it another way, assuming the projections are correct in terms of 1.5% increases year-over-year, the case of beer will go up by $1 in 2040 (as a result of this tax).

Here's a good article with in-depth analysis if you're really interested, it's also a good lesson not to trust industry lobby groups in the slightest:
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/jordan-stjohn-/let-me-break-down-what-canadas-escalating-beer-tax-will-really-cost-you_a_23340121/

The effect on the consumer will be minimal (in the short- and long-term), but we already pay very high prices for beer, wine, and spirits in this country. I think that's part of why the beer industry is up in arms regarding this tax increase.
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« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2018, 04:27:37 PM »

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/beer-canada-tax-prices-1.4491183

The effect on the consumer will be minimal (in the short- and long-term), but we already pay very high prices for beer, wine, and spirits in this country. I think that's part of why the beer industry is up in arms regarding this tax increase.

Fair ball on being upset about high taxes on alcohol in Canada but don't let the lobby manipulate you. They are the group who actually lobbied for and successfully secured raising the minimum price of value brands in a number of provinces. They did this to make it harder for independent brands to compete with the mid-tier mainstream stuff that the majority buys and to shift consumers away from their own budget brands to their mid-tier mainstream product. In Ontario, one of the provinces they did this, the minimum price of beer went from just over $24 in 2009 before the change to $34.50 this year. Now they want you to be angry that a case of beer is going to cost a nickel more. It's absurd and they don't have your best interest as a consumer at heart.
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« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2018, 04:48:20 PM »

Fair ball on being upset about high taxes on alcohol in Canada but don't let the lobby manipulate you. They are the group who actually lobbied for and successfully secured raising the minimum price of value brands in a number of provinces. They did this to make it harder for independent brands to compete with the mid-tier mainstream stuff that the majority buys and to shift consumers away from their own budget brands to their mid-tier mainstream product. In Ontario, one of the provinces they did this, the minimum price of beer went from just over $24 in 2009 before the change to $34.50 this year. Now they want you to be angry that a case of beer is going to cost a nickel more. It's absurd.

I remember. And that's why there's nothing to gain for the consumer to side with anyone in this fight. Beer Canada is no friend of the consumer here, despite whatever narrative it's trying to peddle.

The HuffPost link you included is something I've shared previously when people have shared the Ax The Beer Tax Petition link on FB. There's a ton of good information in that article.
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« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2018, 05:29:12 PM »

Didn't the Atlanta Falcons have success last year when they lowered their concession prices? Do they operate their own concessions then? If so, that means they were able to staff and manage it.
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« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2018, 06:40:53 PM »

It is one of the indisputable axioms in pro sports: Teams that open new stadiums raise prices for tickets, parking and food. After all, the owners have to recoup the hundreds of millions ? or billions ? of dollars in construction costs.

Arthur M. Blank, the owner of the N.F.L.?s Atlanta Falcons and Atlanta United of Major League Soccer, has tried to break the mold, at least for food and drinks. When he opened Mercedes-Benz Stadium last year, he included concession stands selling craft beer, designer sandwiches and high-end barbecue.

But he also included a value menu, with bottomless soft drinks, $2 hot dogs, $5 cheeseburgers and other affordable items. The idea was to give fans a break while acknowledging that the price to attend games, including personal seat licenses for season-ticket holders, was more expensive than in the Falcons? previous home, the Georgia Dome.

The approach has paid dividends. Despite a 50 percent decrease in prices for food and nonalcoholic drinks compared to prices in the Georgia Dome, the amount spent per fan increased by 16 percent, Blank?s sports company, AMB Sports and Entertainment, said on Thursday.

The results suggest that fans will consume more if prices are kept at more reasonable levels, with potentially no effects on the team?s bottom line.

?I understand bringing kids to sporting events and saving up for tickets, and when you get inside you have to buy them food, and a hot dog that is $2 outside is suddenly $7 inside, and being frustrated by it,? Blank said. ?You find ways to tell fans beyond words that you really care about their interests.?

Fans in Atlanta appear to have embraced Blank?s strategy. According to surveys of fans by the N.F.L., Mercedes-Benz Stadium ranked No. 1 in terms of quality, value, speed of service and variety. The number of fans who arrived earlier before games increased by 10 percent as well, indicating that dining options inside the stadium were better than those in the surrounding area.

Part of the improvement is obvious. Mercedes-Benz Stadium is the newest venue in the N.F.L., which means the kitchens and other infrastructure are newer than those in other stadiums. The Falcons also made it to the Super Bowl last season, so fan interest was high. And new stadiums almost always draw more fans because of their novelty.

Chris Bigelow, a stadium concessions consultant, said the novelty of selling basic food items at a lower price appeared to be a hit in Atlanta. But he has not seen any specific financial figures suggesting that the approach is anything more than a loss-leader.

He added that about 70 percent of revenue for N.F.L. teams comes from leaguewide television, sponsorship and merchandise contracts, so they do not need to rely on money from food and beverage sales in their stadiums as much as teams in other leagues.

?In the grand scheme of things, you could give food away,? he said.

And while fans may welcome inexpensive food options, they may only partly offset the higher prices for tickets and personal seat licenses.

For now, no other team appears to have copied Blank?s strategy, which he said was based on his experience as a co-founder of Home Depot.

Mike Gomes, the senior vice president for fan experience at AMB Sports and Entertainment, said the teams benefited from being able to design larger and more efficient concession stands from scratch in a new stadium. But he said the key was making sure the food wasn?t just cheap, but good.

?No one wants a $2 hot dog when it?s cold,? he said, ?and no one wants a $2 hot dog when they are sold out.?
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« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2018, 06:44:07 PM »

Quote from: blue_or_die link=topic=50144.msg1431264#msg1431264 dotta ate=1523384952
Didn't the Atlanta Falcons have success last year when they lowered their concession prices? Do they operate their own concessions then? If so, that means they were able to staff and manage it.

Yes - lots was written about it..

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/sports/football/nfl-concessions.html


gotta also keep in mind that minimum wage in Atlanta is $5.15 and here its $11.15...big difference so we will likely never see a $2 hot dog here - that said you could probably do a $4 hot dog and sell a bunch.  We don't eat that often at the stadium anymore - I can go 4-5 hours without eating, do it everyday at work.


http://mercedesbenzstadium.com/food-beverage/

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« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2018, 07:19:10 PM »

Yes - lots was written about it..

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/sports/football/nfl-concessions.html


gotta also keep in mind that minimum wage in Atlanta is $5.15 and here its $11.15...big difference so we will likely never see a $2 hot dog here - that said you could probably do a $4 hot dog and sell a bunch.  We don't eat that often at the stadium anymore - I can go 4-5 hours without eating, do it everyday at work.


http://mercedesbenzstadium.com/food-beverage/



Easy solution: Give Costco the stadium. Hotdog and a drink would be $1.50! Tongue
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« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2018, 07:29:15 PM »

Easy solution: Give Costco the stadium. Hotdog and a drink would be $1.50! Tongue

and that price has stayed the same for years!!  Pretty good quality too...
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« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2018, 07:46:45 PM »

Costco poutine is the best poutine ever.
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« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2018, 08:04:07 PM »

Costco poutine is the best poutine ever.

i do enjoy their poutine...i get 1/2 gravy so it doesn't drown all the crispiness of the fries...
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« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2018, 08:23:12 PM »

Costco poutine is the best poutine ever.
I agree 100%!!!  So basic and so good!! 
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« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2018, 10:26:45 PM »

I'm in the minority in that I would gladly pay more if they would only offer more gluten free options. At least have fries that are gluten free. I'll even bring my own bun if I can get a bunless burger.  Smiley
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« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2018, 11:57:40 PM »

I'm in the minority in that I would gladly pay more if they would only offer more gluten free options. At least have fries that are gluten free. I'll even bring my own bun if I can get a bunless burger.  Smiley

My wife would like that too!
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« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2018, 12:01:31 AM »

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the majority of the food at the stadium is terrible and fast food quality.  Moving away from Ovations would be a huge plus.  At the least it could be cheaper.

Bombers can do better and I hope they do.  Wade is a good business man and I hope he figures it out.  Make it fresh, local and innovative.
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« Reply #29 on: April 11, 2018, 08:18:54 AM »

My main beef is that when it started getting cold the popsicle stand on W-side 200-level disappeared!  Seriously miffed I couldn't get my halftime popsicle at the WSF.

Don't they know Winnipeggers eat slurpees and ice cream even when it's -7C?

As for hot-food quality, Shawarma and Clay Oven and (usually) Dannys are all very good quality; but certainly not cheap.  Sals is always good too; well, normal Sals quality anyway.

Best food deal @IGF in '17 was the perogy/kulbesa on a stick.  $4 and you're full for a quarter at least.
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« Reply #30 on: April 11, 2018, 10:32:31 AM »

IMO, and we certainly have a wide range of them across just the few people talking here (much less the thousands at the actual games), the game and beer are expensive enough. I usually don?t eat at games unless it?s an emergency (had to go straight from work and haven?t eaten since lunch) and it?s entirely because of the cost of the food.

I don?t need high quality at a football game, I need something to fill the void. I like the suggestion of the WBB partially taking over some lower-priced food options. I think basic economic principles tell us that different price points don?t cut into each other?s profits, it simply allows more people to spend.
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« Reply #31 on: April 11, 2018, 01:09:33 PM »

There was a burrito stand at IGF for the first two seasons (IIRC) but I can't recall seeing it the last two or three seasons. It was reasonably priced and pretty tasty from what I remember.
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« Reply #32 on: April 11, 2018, 05:17:43 PM »

Do they still run out of product before half time? When I questioned why the don't have stock they told me that they are volunteers....
I try to bring my own snacks now.
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« Reply #33 on: April 11, 2018, 05:20:44 PM »

My regular stops for food were either shwarma-khan or clay oven. The regular stuff from the ovation  stands was really poor quality imo. It was worth the extra buck or two to get something I would actually enjoy.
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« Reply #34 on: April 11, 2018, 06:23:52 PM »

I have purchased food only a couple times, I think it has always been Shwarma Khan...and have purchased beer, but only a few a game when I do drink due to the incredibly high costs.
I have done the Pinnacle lounge a few times.. but that's when it's not directly out of my pocket....I think the last time the bill was around $800.
It would be nice to have a cheap "snack' for kids. Adults well they can choose to eat/drink at games if they want, but at current prices it's insane to buy a "snack" for the kids. a cheaper option for something for the kids would go a long way IMO. Why not have "kids" size slushie for a couple bucks, or something along those lines. The more kids we get there the more of the next generation we can "hook"
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« Reply #35 on: April 11, 2018, 06:33:56 PM »

I find most of the food options at the stadium to be garbage, even shwarma khan.  I like the restaurant but at the stadium it seems their wraps are smaller, as in not filled enough, and their beef lamb mixtures seems to be ground meat vs cut right off spit in the restaurant.  I am sure there are valid reasons for this but to me I am not getting the same quality as the restaurant and paying a higher price.
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« Reply #36 on: April 11, 2018, 07:04:27 PM »

I find most of the food options at the stadium to be garbage, even shwarma khan.  I like the restaurant but at the stadium it seems their wraps are smaller, as in not filled enough, and their beef lamb mixtures seems to be ground meat vs cut right off spit in the restaurant.  I am sure there are valid reasons for this but to me I am not getting the same quality as the restaurant and paying a higher price.

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« Reply #37 on: April 11, 2018, 07:14:54 PM »

Do they still run out of product before half time? When I questioned why the don't have stock they told me that they are volunteers....
I try to bring my own snacks now.
Well there's one concession stand on the eastside 200 level that always seems to run out of hot chocolate at the first cold game.
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« Reply #38 on: April 11, 2018, 08:30:33 PM »

Well there's one concession stand on the eastside 200 level that always seems to run out of hot chocolate at the first cold game.

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