Humboldt Broncos - Tragic Bus Crash

[Ridermania]

http://www.cjme.com/2018/04/06/bus-carrying-sjhl-team-involved-in-accident/

Tragic news on the Humboldt Broncos bus crash.

[Chris1982]

http://www.cjme.com/2018/04/06/bus-carrying-sjhl-team-involved-in-accident/

Tragic news on the Humboldt Broncos bus crash.

Such a tragedy.  Prayers and condolences to all of the families.

[The Zipp]

This is a terrible, terrible tradgedy. Those poor families  - cannot imagine what they are going through. All three of our kids are in the age range that was on that bus...heartbreaking event.

[blue_or_die]

Awful, awful, awful. Thoughts and prayers to all those affected.

[Pigskin]

Terrible. Just watch the presser from Humboldt. A lot of people are broken.

[theaardvark]

Its a tragic thing, especially for a group so young.  Devastating for the community, even for the survivors, the feeling of guilt that they lived when their friends did not...  senseless loss of life, I'm sure we will find out more on why and how, but that doesn't matter, really.  The community, province and country will rally behind and give support.

But the support network is there, no doubt there will be something on HNIC, Don Cherry will obviously say something, other teams are adding their voices, local hotels are offering free rooms for families coming to the scene. 

The CFL has spoken up, the Riders issued a statement praising the strength of the people of the province, and Ambroise sending love and prayers on behalf of everyone in the league.  Many players have tweeted out support as well. 

There is a "Go Fund Me" page set up...  I donated already, if everyone here matched or beat my $20, it would help hit that goal...

[theaardvark]

Wow... jets are wearing "Broncos" nameplates tonight, and every team is donating $25k... and the 50/50 proceeds from tonight's game...

[gbill2004]

Wow... jets are wearing "Broncos" nameplates tonight, and every team is donating $25k... and the 50/50 proceeds from tonight's game...

Jets and Blackhawks have Broncos nameplates.

[dd]

Classy move and touching pregame by both teams tonight.

[gbill2004]

Apparently the driver of the semi ran a stop sign and t-boned the bus. Driver of the semi is not injured. The intersection is apparently a dangerous one, and a family of 5 was killed there about 20 years ago.

[Bond]

The worst news possible.

[theaardvark]

Wow... go fund me is over $3.3 million dollars... 



 

[gbill2004]

Wow... go fund me is over $3.3 million dollars... 
 

Good cause but what exactly do they need this money for? 

[NorthernSkunk]

Good cause but what exactly do they need this money for? 

If you think it's a good cause ain't that reason enough ?

[gbill2004]

If you think it's a good cause ain't that reason enough ?

I mean like it?s a good nice thing to do, but what do they need the money for?  Where is the $3.3 million going to go? Is it just money to make the families feel better?  They won?t have medical expenses because we live in Canada. What exactly is the money for?

[theaardvark]

Good cause but what exactly do they need this money for? 

There are 15 people that will need special care for the next while, or their entire lives... there are hundreds of people directly affected, lost family members, etc, who will benefit from support that is not government funded.  

Even just knowing that there are resources available should someone be in need will make recovery easier.  

Donated money will find its way into the lives of the victims.  

Now, if you want to ask what a "donated touchdown" is needed for, I'm all ears...

[New_Earth_Mud]

I mean like it?s a good nice thing to do, but what do they need the money for?  Where is the $3.3 million going to go? Is it just money to make the families feel better?  They won?t have medical expenses because we live in Canada. What exactly is the money for?

Funerals, Bus. The players were from all over Western Canada so theres expence of flying familys around and then bringing their kids home.

[gbill2004]

Funerals, Bus. The players were from all over Western Canada so theres expence of flying familys around and then bringing their kids home.

Funerals and airfare that makes sense. Bus will be covered by insurance. I?m curious how it is decided what is legitimate use of the money. I assume they will need to develop criteria and have someone objective to oversee the money.

[New_Earth_Mud]

Funerals and airfare that makes sense. Bus will be covered by insurance. I?m curious how it is decided what is legitimate use of the money. I assume they will need to develop criteria and have someone objective to oversee the money.

From my understanding the goal is 4 mil. So im sure they know what they will need the money for.

[gbill2004]

From my understanding the goal is 4 mil. So im sure they know what they will need the money for.

The initial goal was $10k and they just keep increasing the goal based on the amount of money coming in. The goal has been increased a number of times.

[Chris1982]

I fully agree with giving the families of this tragedy all of the money possible.  At least the money going to the families is generously and voluntarily donated by citizens out of the goodness of their heart, and not an illegitimate cash grab by some people who sue for ridiculous amounts of money for "pain and suffering".

[New_Earth_Mud]

The initial goal was $10k and they just keep increasing the goal based on the amount of money coming in. The goal has been increased a number of times.

Im not sure...... Saturday morning i read the goal was 4mil.

The Jets 50/50 donated 136k and Then the Hawks and the Jets donated another 25k each. Im not positive but i think all Canadian teams donated 25k. Im not sure thats even counted in the 3.3mil.

[gbill2004]

I fully agree with giving the families of this tragedy all of the money possible.  At least the money going to the families is generously and voluntarily donated by citizens out of the goodness of their heart, and not an illegitimate cash grab by some people who sue for ridiculous amounts of money for "pain and suffering".

I agree with helping the families, I'm just curious how the money will be managed.  How did they determine $4 million is needed?  What if only $1 million is needed, then what happens to the remaining $3 million?  Who decides what is a valid expense and what is not?  It's a lot of money so it will need to be managed by someone to ensure it is used in a fair and transparent manner. 

[Chris1982]

I agree with helping the families, I'm just curious how the money will be managed.  How did they determine $4 million is needed?  What if only $1 million is needed, then what happens to the remaining $3 million?  Who decides what is a valid expense and what is not?  It's a lot of money so it will need to be managed by someone to ensure it is used in a fair and transparent manner. 

Not sure of the specifics.  If it concerns you that much, then here is the direct link to the gofundme site of the lady who started it.

https://ca.gofundme.com/funds-for-humboldt-broncos

[New_Earth_Mud]

I agree with helping the families, I'm just curious how the money will be managed.  How did they determine $4 million is needed?  What if only $1 million is needed, then what happens to the remaining $3 million?  Who decides what is a valid expense and what is not?  It's a lot of money so it will need to be managed by someone to ensure it is used in a fair and transparent manner. 

Im sure there is a valid reason.

Id also think that the arena they play in will take a huge loss without them playing the remaining playoff games. I would also think other arenas that they play in will also take a huge hit.

The money these teams make does not just go to them. It goes to unies and all kinds of things for the younger teams and players in these small towns. These places and arenas dont run for free. Even billit familys are payed.

[gbill2004]

Not sure of the specifics.  If it concerns you that much, then here is the direct link to the gofundme site of the lady who started it.

https://ca.gofundme.com/funds-for-humboldt-broncos

Ya they give some info there but not a lot of details.  I'm just curious how they came up with $4 million.  Would be nice to see them give any remaining money to another cause that may occur in the future.  

[Chris1982]

Ya they give some info there but not a lot of details.  I'm just curious how they came up with $4 million.  Would be nice to see them give any remaining money to another cause that may occur in the future.  

There appears to be a link where you can directly mail Sylvie Kellington on the right side of the page.

[theaardvark]

How is it classless?  It's a valid question. 

Tragedy and grief are things people react to differently.  Timing is also something that is perspective specific. 

Each person has their own definition of "too soon".  And each may have a different opinion on what is an appropriate question, and what is not, regardless timing.

For example, I see a lot of posts about organ donations.  An incredible cause, with an extremely short window for timing.  Does it get done privately, and then discussed publicly later?  Far too few people have filled in their donor cards (I have mine prominently in my wallet, and have discussed it with family and made known my wishes).  From a tragedy like this, there can come some positive, if the timing is right.  And in weeks to come, I hope that we find out some of those stories, how these brave young men who were taken from us far too early live on though others.  And hopefully it inspires even one more donor card to be filled in.

Is it classless to discuss?  Is it too soon?  I don't think so, but others might.

Asking where money we donate is going to be spent, I can see both sides to that.  Building a huge pile of money on the outpouring of helplessness people are feeling in dealing with the tragedy, and not having any idea what is going to be done with it could be seen as a very cynical viewpoint, sure.  But this is Canada, and you know that it is not going to be squandered on paying huge salaries to the fund's directors, and funding junkets and meetings to discuss disbursements of the funds, like many "charities" do.  This is money that will find its way back into the community, you know that.  Whether it be for a wheelchair ramp at the home or arena for a victim that was disabled in the crash, or covering non-insured services during re-hab, or grief counseling for the community,  or even setting up memorial scholarships for the victims or for their families, no one will allow the funds to be squandered.

I understand your question, and agree that is one that is valid, but I don't think that there is an issue.  The question is, at least in Canada and more specifically the prairies, moot.  This is not someone faking cancer to raise money so they don't have to work for a living.   

[NorthernSkunk]

Interesting.

[dd]

Everyone handles and manages tragedy differently. The questions raised are all valid, too soon for some. Still, at the end of the day, 15 people lost their lives. Good to see how the country has reacted and supported the community, not only with the funding, heck, the Prime Minister is attending the vigil, outstanding country we live in!!!

[gbill2004]

Everyone handles and manages tragedy differently. The questions raised are all valid, too soon for some. Still, at the end of the day, 15 people lost their lives. Good to see how the country has reacted and supported the community, not only with the funding, heck, the Prime Minister is attending the vigil, outstanding country we live in!!!

Well said.  The vigil is at 8:00pm Winnipeg time tonight, and will be broadcast by CBC and Sportsnet.  I'll definitely be watching. 

[blue_gold_84]

What a terrible tragedy. There are no words to describe it.

What the Jets and the Blackhawks did last night was truly inspiring, as well as the other tributes around the NHL. The hockey community is wonderful.

[Marni]

What a terrible tragedy. There are no words to describe it.

What the Jets and the Blackhawks did last night was truly inspiring, as well as the other tributes around the NHL. The hockey community is wonderful.

It wasn?t just hockey! Every sporting event over the weekend had a moment of silence!

[galeforce]

Even the Queen passed along condolences.

https://www.royal.uk/message-queen-and-duke-edinburgh-following-recent-bus-crash-canada-0

[galeforce]

Good cause but what exactly do they need this money for? 

If you have to ask, you'll never understand. After reading your comments and questions I found your overall tone to be  distasteful bordering on disrespectful, with an underlying current of distrust and cynicism. No amount of money can ever make up for the losses that so many have suffered but maybe it helps to know that they won't be burdened financially from this. Insurance doesn't cover everything and neither does our healthcare system. Lighten up.

[dd]

the outpouring of financial and emotional support is mind blowing. CBC's coverage was unbelievable, and to see 2 Coaches of NHL teams, along with the Prime Minister, Sheldon Kennedy,Don Cherry and Ron McLean in the arena was very moving. None of them had to do what they did, but they did anyways. We live in a truly unbelievable and caring country!!

[gbill2004]

If you have to ask, you'll never understand. After reading your comments and questions I found your overall tone to be  distasteful bordering on disrespectful, with an underlying current of distrust and cynicism. No amount of money can ever make up for the losses that so many have suffered but maybe it helps to know that they won't be burdened financially from this. Insurance doesn't cover everything and neither does our healthcare system. Lighten up.

The tone of your comment here suggests that perhaps you?ve experienced a tragedy like this one first hand, and if so, I offer my condolences to you. However I don?t appreciate the tone of your message and some assumptions you are making of the intent of my questions.

As stated accurately by others in this thread, everyone deals with these tragic situations differently, and the timing may be different for everyone. I?m also extremely saddened by what occurred. I watched the vigil Sunday night with my GF and I cried.  But I?m able to separate the emotional piece from the objective piece, which is why I ask the questions about the money and where it will go. Not from the perspective that it?ll be abused, but genuinely question what $4 million is needed for and what it?ll be used for. Do you think the money should be a free for all, and anyone affected should just take whatever money they want?  Of course not. The leaders will need to develop criteria to ensure the money is used in a fair and appropriate manner.  And I?m interested in that discussion.

This is a discussion board and it?s a valid question. There?s lots of discussion about the huge amount of money raised, and I agree it?s an amazing show of public support.  Along with that discussion is a logical question in the process of where that money will go to help the victims and their families.

You may not like the timing of my questions, but they?re valid questions and I don?t appreciate your comments or assumptions of why I asked them. I guarantee there are people dealing with those exact issues right now. I work in HR in a large organization where people have died on the job over the years. In those situations, you need to deal with the human element, but also need to deal with the logistics, and the difficult questions that are hard to deal with in such an emotional time. But they do need to be dealt with, so that?s my perspective. And if the timing isn?t right for you, I can understand that but I don?t think you need to use attacking language or make false assumptions like you did.  Everyone deals differently and the timing of their stages is also different.

[Chris1982]

Even though the mod has heavily edited this thread since yesterday and removed tons of the previous comments, from what I gathered from the all of the opinions before they were deleted, I agree that people do see the money aspect as a "valid" question - I think people in general just think that it should be an "unspoken" concern considering the circumstances.  I think the public generally trusts that the people who actually donated money and organized the fund, will ensure that the funds are spent appropriately.  There are lots of things that people wonder in life, and are valid concerns, but they are not socially acceptable to discuss at certain times.  This is just what I have gathered from reading all of the previous posters before they were deleted.

[gbill2004]

Even though the mod has heavily edited this thread since yesterday and removed tons of the previous comments, from what I gathered from the all of the opinions before they were deleted, I agree that people do see the money aspect as a "valid" question - I think people in general just think that it should be an "unspoken" concern considering the circumstances.  I think the public generally trusts that the people who actually donated money and organized the fund, will ensure that the funds are spent appropriately.  There are lots of things that people wonder in life, and are valid concerns, but they are not socially acceptable to discuss at certain times.  This is just what I have gathered from reading all of the previous posters before they were deleted.

And I?m sure it will be dealt with appropriately; not once did I question that, although some here suggested I did. I?m interested in the discussion and curious how it?ll be spent and what the criteria will be. I legitimately don?t understand where the $4 million will go so I?d like to learn what it?ll be used for.

$4 million is a lot of money and there will be decisions to make by the leaders in charge of the money. Some posters here did provide some interesting insight as to where the money will go, which I found interesting, although I think some of those posts were since deleted. Where is the $4 million going to go is a legit question that I don?t think is at all socially unacceptable. 

Timing may bother some, but thats a personal thing that varies from person to person, but doesn?t justify other posters making accusations, false assumptions or personal attacks.  It is possible to feel sad for these young men and their families, and also ask some objective questions at the same time. The people responsible for managing the money are doing that right now, as stated right on the go fund me page.

[Chris1982]

And I?m sure it will be dealt with appropriately; not once did I question that, although some here suggested I did. I?m interested in the discussion and curious how it?ll be spent and what the criteria will be. I legitimately don?t understand where the $4 million will go so I?d like to learn what it?ll be used for.

$4 million is a lot of money and there will be decisions to make by the leaders in charge of the money. Some posters here did provide some interesting insight as to where the money will go, which I found interesting, although I think some of those posts were since deleted. Where is the $4 million going to go is a legit question that I don?t think is at all socially unacceptable. 

Timing may bother some, but thats a personal thing that varies from person to person, but doesn?t justify other posters making accusations, false assumptions or personal attacks.  It is possible to feel sad for these young men and their families, and also ask some objective questions at the same time. The people responsible for managing the money are doing that right now, as stated right on the go fund me page.

Most people seem to feel that it should be left at that and not discussed on here.  That was my only point.  I will leave it at that.

[gbill2004]

Most people seem to feel that it should be left at that and not discussed on here.  That was my only point.  I will leave it at that.

I see three posters here who stated the questions are valid and who see both sides of the perspective on the timing of my questions, in that everyone deals differently.

[Chris1982]

I see three posters here who stated the questions are valid and who see both sides of the perspective on the timing of my questions, in that everyone deals differently.

I clearly stated in my original post that some people do agree that you have "valid" questions regarding the money and the timing of them.  My only point was whether those questions needed to be discussed in this forum.

[blue_gold_84]

It wasn?t just hockey! Every sporting event over the weekend had a moment of silence!

Okay.

[ModAdmin]

15 lives lost, families and community in mourning, lives altered forever and a conversation ensues here about money and how it will be used.  All this on the day a vigil took place to honour the dead and injured.  Personally I find that disturbing and, out of respect, some posts were removed.

[gbill2004]

15 lives lost, families and community in mourning, lives altered forever and a conversation ensues here about money and how it will be used.  All this on the day a vigil took place to honour the dead and injured.  Personally I find that disturbing and, out of respect, some posts were removed.

We can agree to disagree then. I am as sad as anyone...I cried a few times over the weekend thinking about these young men, and what their families are going through during this tragedy.  But I don't see why it is acceptable to discuss how much money was raised and how great that is, but we can't discuss how that money will be used.  I don't see how that is "disturbing" in any way - it is possible to pay your respects and have some difficult, mature conversations at the same time.  And I don't see it as an excuse for other posters to make false accusation, assumptions or make personal attacks.   

But I've said enough already on this topic of what started as a genuine, well intended question...but I guess some people get easily offended.  I apologize if anyone was offended, but I stand by my believe that there is nothing wrong with the question, and it is a question that must be asked; the timing is debateable depending on the person.  We can move on...   

[theaardvark]

https://globalnews.ca/news/4131495/humboldt-broncos-bus-crash-lethbridge-organ-donate-boulet/

[gbill2004]

I recall chatting with Tyler on Twitter and on Bomber/CFL message boards: http://3downnation.com/2018/04/07/remembering-tyler-bieber-journalist-coach-trailblazer/

[gbill2004]

#BREAKING: Saskatchewan's Ministry of Justice says it misidentified one of the bodies in the Humboldt Broncos bus crash. Xavier Labelle, previously thought dead, is alive. Parker Tobin is among 15 dead. More coming.

[blue_gold_84]

#BREAKING: Saskatchewan's Ministry of Justice says it misidentified one of the bodies in the Humboldt Broncos bus crash. Xavier Labelle, previously thought dead, is alive. Parker Tobin is among 15 dead. More coming.

That's awful. This is all just devastating.

[NorthernSkunk]

Most people seem to feel that it should be left at that and not discussed on here.  That was my only point.  I will leave it at that.

Exactly. That is why yesterday I wanted to express how classless it is to bring it up so soon.

If it was so important to know about the money then he should contact the people raising the money.....he should not be using it to troll on a fan forum such as this.

[New_Earth_Mud]

The tone of your comment here suggests that perhaps you?ve experienced a tragedy like this one first hand, and if so, I offer my condolences to you. However I don?t appreciate the tone of your message and some assumptions you are making of the intent of my questions.

As stated accurately by others in this thread, everyone deals with these tragic situations differently, and the timing may be different for everyone. I?m also extremely saddened by what occurred. I watched the vigil Sunday night with my GF and I cried.  But I?m able to separate the emotional piece from the objective piece, which is why I ask the questions about the money and where it will go. Not from the perspective that it?ll be abused, but genuinely question what $4 million is needed for and what it?ll be used for. Do you think the money should be a free for all, and anyone affected should just take whatever money they want?  Of course not. The leaders will need to develop criteria to ensure the money is used in a fair and appropriate manner.  And I?m interested in that discussion.

This is a discussion board and it?s a valid question. There?s lots of discussion about the huge amount of money raised, and I agree it?s an amazing show of public support.  Along with that discussion is a logical question in the process of where that money will go to help the victims and their families.

You may not like the timing of my questions, but they?re valid questions and I don?t appreciate your comments or assumptions of why I asked them. I guarantee there are people dealing with those exact issues right now. I work in HR in a large organization where people have died on the job over the years. In those situations, you need to deal with the human element, but also need to deal with the logistics, and the difficult questions that are hard to deal with in such an emotional time. But they do need to be dealt with, so that?s my perspective. And if the timing isn?t right for you, I can understand that but I don?t think you need to use attacking language or make false assumptions like you did.  Everyone deals differently and the timing of their stages is also different.

I kinda thought your questions about the money were to soon also but i answered them with my opinion of what i thought the money would be used for.

The bolded part is what i find disturbing about what your saying.

Comparing yourself and your job and 1 person dying over years and 15 kids killed and 14 more in a hospital with who knows what injurys and how their lives will be affected by them is disturbing and flat out ignorant.

If you really think what you delt with is anything the same as this .....

[gbill2004]

I kinda thought your questions about the money were to soon also but i answered them with my opinion of what i thought the money would be used for.

The bolded part is what i find disturbing about what your saying.

Comparing yourself and your job and 1 person dying over years and 15 kids killed and 14 more in a hospital with who knows what injurys and how their lives will be affected by them is disturbing and flat out ignorant.

If you really think what you delt with is anything the same as this .... you are one messed up person dude.

Definitely not the same but similar...they are both tragedies and there are logistics that need to be considered in both cases, that cannot be ignored; that's the comparison I am making.  Anyways, I've said all I need to say here.  Asking what the money will be used for is not at all inappropriate. 

[gbill2004]

Exactly. That is why yesterday I wanted to express how classless it is to bring it up so soon.

If it was so important to know about the money then he should contact the people raising the money.....he should not be using it to troll on a fan forum such as this.

I had discussion with friends over the weekend, who actually brought this subject up when we were talking about all the money raised, and we were able to have a mature discussion about it, unlike some of you on here who are flying off the handle getting offended and making personal attacks, which I find is quite classless. 

Like I said earlier, I'm done talking about the subject, but if you guys want to keep the conversation going, I will certainly defend myself if needed. 

[NorthernSkunk]

Definitely not the same but similar...they are both tragedies and there are logistics that need to be considered in both cases, that cannot be ignored; that's the comparison I am making.  Anyways, I've said all I need to say here.  Asking what the money will be used for is not at all inappropriate. 

It's not innapproriate if it's asked in the right place and to the people that can answer the question. That place ain't here.

[gbill2004]

It's not innapproriate if it's asked in the right place and to the people that can answer the question. That place ain't here.

This is a discussion board...we discuss things. That's like saying we can't discuss anything unknown about the Bombers...we have to go directly to coach O'Shea for the exact answers. 

[New_Earth_Mud]

Definitely not the same but similar...they are both tragedies and there are logistics that need to be considered in both cases, that cannot be ignored; that's the comparison I am making.  Anyways, I've said all I need to say here.  Asking what the money will be used for is not at all inappropriate. 

Just as i thought.  

Its not similar at all.

If you think it is i say you get a hold of these people and familys and tell them you work in HR in a big company and you delt with a person dying on the job over the years and you understand exactally what they are going through. Oh and while your at it start questioning them about the money and where it will go. And you might as well ask them whats happening about the rest of the playoffs.

See what they have to say.

[ModAdmin]

This thread is being locked.  It is unfortunate that the discussion regarding money is being continued and the money discussion continues to be justified. 

My condolences to the families, friends, team mates and the Humboldt community for their losses and the trauma they are going through.