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Author Topic: Winnipeg Blue Bombers sign Winnipeg-born running back Kienan LaFrance  (Read 5866 times)
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« Reply #75 on: February 14, 2018, 01:22:33 PM »

Yea...I doubt the Bombers master plan is for LaFrance to take over from Harris someday. I hope he proves us all wrong and goes on to be a great NAT RB...but like SBG says...it's now or never for that.
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« Reply #76 on: February 14, 2018, 01:24:40 PM »

He's a plodder. He had one good game a couple years ago in the playoffs where there was a ton of snow on the field.  The Riders paid a premium for that one game an they now realized who he really is, and released him.  I hear he plays some special teams, so he adds some value there, and as an in-game replacement if Harris gets injured. 

I agree, and I'll add, there's nothing wrong with that. In fact, it's a role we really needed filled.
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« Reply #77 on: February 14, 2018, 02:55:57 PM »

You guys are all wrong on LaFrance.  I'll bet in 2-3 years he'll be a top-5 RB, and top-3 NAT RB in the CFL.  Harris says he has big potential, I believe Harris.  I predict he has a better-than-average '18, definitely a personal record year.  Give the kid a chance.  Lots of room for growth, and you can't ask for a better mentor than Harris.

Love this signing.  And $80k?  Complete steal.  Hope they lock him in for 2 years when he's proven himself by mid-season.

Sure he has that potential, especially if Harris is his mentor and he's highly motivated but he's not going to break out this year.  Good addition and a great weapon to add to the O in certain situations, hopefully he has good hands.
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« Reply #78 on: February 14, 2018, 03:17:50 PM »

My guess.

Demski, will be the starter at SB. May get some touches on the wideout and some touches as a RB/trick plays.
Flanders, will be a DI on the depth chart behind Demski. He will play as an RB or SB.

I like that Harris, Flanders and Demski will keep opposing D guessing who's running the ball.

LaFrance will be on the roster as backup RB and may get limited touches (like Normand). He may get a look as KR and play ST.
If Normand re-signs, LaFrance might see himself on the PR or hidden on the IR.

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« Reply #79 on: February 14, 2018, 03:40:06 PM »

My guess.

Demski, will be the starter at SB. May get some touches on the wideout and some touches as a RB/trick plays.
Flanders, will be a DI on the depth chart behind Demski. He will play as an RB or SB.

I like that Harris, Flanders and Demski will keep opposing D guessing who's running the ball.

LaFrance will be on the roster as backup RB and may get limited touches (like Normand). He may get a look as KR and play ST.
If Normand re-signs, LaFrance might see himself on the PR or hidden on the IR.



Demski fits our offence perfectly. Another outlet for our ball control game.
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« Reply #80 on: February 16, 2018, 08:41:14 PM »

What are the chances more winnipegers join the team? I saw Evan gill is a free agent. Has barely played in the CFL due to injuries but he was drafted high. He was great for the bisons and almost went to the NFL. I think it might be worth it bringing him in for a non expensive contract.
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« Reply #81 on: February 16, 2018, 08:43:27 PM »

What are the chances more winnipegers join the team? I saw Evan gill is a free agent. Has barely played in the CFL due to injuries but he was drafted high. He was great for the bisons and almost went to the NFL. I think it might be worth it bringing him in for a non expensive contract.
Practice roster at most.  Guy can?t stay healthy.
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« Reply #82 on: February 16, 2018, 08:45:46 PM »

I agree. Give him a chance on the practice roster and if he succeeds we could sign him to the main roster.
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« Reply #83 on: February 16, 2018, 08:51:47 PM »

Thomas Miles is from Winnipeg our backup MLB
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« Reply #84 on: February 16, 2018, 09:12:24 PM »

Thomas Miles is from Winnipeg our backup MLB
I'm a big fan of Miles. He's probably better than Hurl. 
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« Reply #85 on: March 03, 2018, 12:48:12 AM »

The EPSN Classic (I think) channel (whatever is included with the TSN packages on the new Shaw BlueSky) had the GC '16 game on 1-2 weeks back.  I just had a chance to watch it for the first time in over a year...

I have no idea why some guys here write off LaFrance as a "plodder".  I carefully watched his play in the game, and he seemed quite good.  Got a number of conversions on medium/long, good 1st down production.  He struck me as a skinnier Harris.  He also seemed more like a hole-finder than a (Harris) demon plower.  There were a couple of times he did the NFL-esque pause & look, then cut into the hole; somewhat unique for CFL.

He was quite fast, quite nimble, and seemed talented at picking the best path.  He's more like a Flanders than a Harris in that regard.

On the downside, he didn't seem to be much of a spinner or shaker or pinballer; so he either had to elude first contact or minimize its impact by getting smaller and out of the way.  I'm sure he could improve this though, if he starts beefing up his legs to Harris level and learning Harris' baby-steps-when-being-tackled tricks.  And spins.

All in all I was quite impressed.  He didn't win the game for them, but he did chip in his non-insignificant part to get the win.

I don't think he was a flash-in-the-pan in the snow '16 EF game.  The GC proves it, and you can bet CGY D was keeping close tabs on him after the EF performance, so it's not like he was ignored and had it easy.  Not sure what happened to him in '17, probably just not used properly or given enough reps.  But now I'm quite confident that he's more than a "plodder" and will be quite an asset for WBB, hopefully for many years to come, and I firmly believe he will become The Heir To Harris.

P.S. Love love love the comments LaPo has been making about 2 or 3 RB/TB formations.  We are going to destroy D's if they get the play action / RPO working with 3 backs, especially if they master the deception on the handoffs.  Heck, with Dress back there in the slot you can essentially have 4 "backs" 2 on opposite sweeps, 1 up the gut, and one play action for a dump pass.  LaPo must be lovin' it!!!
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« Reply #86 on: March 03, 2018, 04:49:41 AM »

how do you think that will effect Harris' game? from what I've gathered here, Harris likes a lot of touches. Do you think that it could hurt his game overall if running these 2 and 3 back formations results in a significant reduction in his touches? Because with this, coupled with the more than likely reduction in pass touches as well... he could be looking at a lot fewer opportunities.

Now granted, I think that serves him well, especially if he wants to squeeze more than a couple of meaningful years out of his body. Because that man runs violently, lol... I'm not sure he can withstand another 300 touch year to be quite honest.

I'm glad to hear what you had to say about LaFrance, because I was really concerned that if we have to cut Flanders, the drop off I would have expected with LaFrance was huge. Maybe with a little mentoring and a good offensive line in front of him he plays out well.  Still a little worried, especially given the fact that Flanders has proven to be a good, productive back... But, I don't see how we keep him if we don't create some flexibility with the ratio. Even then, it may be difficult...

Another thing, I'm on one of ESPN's channel daily and they do a ton of cross promoting programming... never once did I hear about that game being broadcast... ESPN does a terrible job of promoting the CFL games they do show...  My biggest pet peeve with them though, they are even worse at scheduling... big fan of the 30 for 30 films, and they never start on time, and usually because they are airing some other show that they aired 6 times already that day because a game ran over earlier... ugh!
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« Reply #87 on: March 03, 2018, 05:19:03 AM »

how do you think that will effect Harris' game? from what I've gathered here, Harris likes a lot of touches. Do you think that it could hurt his game overall if running these 2 and 3 back formations results in a significant reduction in his touches? Because with this, coupled with the more than likely reduction in pass touches as well... he could be looking at a lot fewer opportunities.

I would suspect Harris will love sharing the touches.  This can only help Harris, and the team.  Sure, Harris will probably never see 1k/1k, but that's not what he (or anyone) is after.  He has his eye on the GC ring(s!).

You are completely right in that it'll be easier on Harris' body.  And not just because it reduces his touches; It'll help by opening holes for him because it'll be hard to key in on him like they did in 2nd half of '17. It'll be so funny to watch LaPo exploiting this.  They'll key on Harris for 5 plays while you give the ball to the other runners/sweepers.  Then when they relax on Harris, you hand it to him to pound twice and it'll be a piece of cake, maybe one man to make miss.  Then they key on Harris again and you rinse & repeat.  It'll be fun to watch.

I think Harris is a lifer here.  And I think Harris doesn't have to worry about taking a pay cut because his stats may be lower: everyone will know what value he provides in the new role and he'll keep the monster payday.  It'll be like Cornish in his last year (though hopefully Harris does it for 2-3+).

Also, Harris wouldn't have championed getting LaFrance here if he didn't think it was best for him & the team.

I'm glad to hear what you had to say about LaFrance, because I was really concerned that if we have to cut Flanders, the drop off I would have expected with LaFrance was huge. Maybe with a little mentoring and a good offensive line in front of him he plays out well.  Still a little worried, especially given the fact that Flanders has proven to be a good, productive back... But, I don't see how we keep him if we don't create some flexibility with the ratio. Even then, it may be difficult...

Well, since everyone's convinced Muamba is coming, I think that means Flanders is likely staying.  In fact, even if Henoc doesn't put on Blue&Gold, I'd give even money Flanders is staying.  Now how often he's on the field... his reps will certainly increase if Muamba is our MLB.  I so love the idea of 4 or 5 of the 5 Harris/LaFrance/Demski/Flanders/Dressler in the backfield/slot simultaneously, with Adams/Bowman/LDW wide/deep.  The backfield guys mostly run, with some short passes, and a few mid-passes to keep them guessing.  The big guys do the deep balls and a few mid-passes.  I think we play to our new strengths and become a run/shortpass/deeppass focussed team, with much less in the dangerous middle which never worked too well for us anyhow.

Another thing, I'm on one of ESPN's channel daily and they do a ton of cross promoting programming... never once did I hear about that game being broadcast... ESPN does a terrible job of promoting the CFL games they do show...  My biggest pet peeve with them though, they are even worse at scheduling... big fan of the 30 for 30 films, and they never start on time, and usually because they are airing some other show that they aired 6 times already that day because a game ran over earlier... ugh!

It was on 2 or 3 times over a week, my PVR caught the first one (just program it to record anything with *CFL* using wildcards, if yours can do that, and have it re-record repeats).  It was the first time a) I saw ESPN on my cable package, and b) I saw CFL on ESPN  Cheesy  Strange, but for some reason the ESPN version of it had the audio such that the crowd was very loud compared to the announcers, who 50% of the time weren't audible.

While I have your ear, after watching the NFL playoffs & SB, I find it very odd that the NFL shows about 1/5 the number of replays the CFL shows.  CFL will replay anything remotely good (catch/run/etc), and almost everything controversial (penalties, etc), and even boring plays when there's time (during injuries, ref conference, etc).

The NFL really only replays spectacular plays and challenges/reviews.  The difference is really noticeable.  And the NFL commentator guys will almost never contradict a bad call or even say it's iffy.  The CFL guys do this all the time.

Watching the NFL playoffs I'd sit there thinking "hold? show me the hold!", and they never did.  CFL always shows the hold, and then comments on if it's real or bunk.

It's doubly odd because the NFL has 30s playclock and so should have theoretically more time to put in replays, but they don't!  The commercials are definitely longer and more numerous, so maybe that's the cause.

I just find it strange, and think the CFL does it waaay better.
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« Reply #88 on: March 03, 2018, 04:52:42 PM »

I think the CFL goes further to trying to get the play right than the NFL, and has implemented and adapted its famous challenge system. The concept is good---get the play right, but it was a shame that some coaches used it for fishing for calls away from the play and it slowed the pace down to a snails pace.

I think the CFL has got it right now, or close to right. Officials miss calls all the time---and the NFL officials are just as inconsistent/bad as the CFL officials (remember the Green Bay/Seahawks game when one official signalled TD the other interception?!?!), its just the CFL holds the officials more accountable than the NFL does---they think their officials don't miss calls, they're mistaken.
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« Reply #89 on: March 05, 2018, 08:30:58 PM »

I think the CFL goes further to trying to get the play right than the NFL, and has implemented and adapted its famous challenge system. The concept is good---get the play right, but it was a shame that some coaches used it for fishing for calls away from the play and it slowed the pace down to a snails pace.

I think the CFL has got it right now, or close to right. Officials miss calls all the time---and the NFL officials are just as inconsistent/bad as the CFL officials (remember the Green Bay/Seahawks game when one official signalled TD the other interception?!?!), its just the CFL holds the officials more accountable than the NFL does---they think their officials don't miss calls, they're mistaken.

Not 100% sure but I believe that was when NFL refs were on strike and they had replacement officials.  If memory serves correctly the NFL and the refs settled the day after that call was made.
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