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« on: October 11, 2017, 07:28:00 PM »

http://leaderpost.com/sports/football/cfl/saskatchewan-roughriders/jones-is-a-top-coach-of-the-year-candidate

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Jones merits serious consideration for CFL coach-of-the-year honours. (No, he doesn't)

Who?s better than the Roughriders?

The Calgary Stampeders (proud owners of a 12-1-1 record) are a mortal lock to finish first overall in the nine-team league. Even so, they were held without a touchdown in their most-recent meeting with Saskatchewan - a 15-9 Stampeders victory Sept. 24 at Mosaic Stadium. (Is that a moral victory for the Riders?)

The Winnipeg Blue Bombers (10-4-0) are seeded second, but they barely won the season series with Saskatchewan. (Uh, did Vanstone miss the Banjo Bowl?)


For a guy who usually seems pretty level-headed in his articles, he clearly dove into the Kool-Aid before putting together this terribly biased column.
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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2017, 07:44:44 PM »

I'm struggling to muster any outrage over this. Our season series was close. We won the point differential over the three games by nine. We traded beatings in September,  and it went to ot in week 2.
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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2017, 08:22:10 PM »

3 Candidates make coach-of-the year finalists....

Do any in the East deserve it so far?  No.
Wally with the BC Lions about to miss the playoffs?  No.
Jason Maas with his 6 game losing streak? No.

That leaves Dickenson, O'Shea, and Jones.  Can't understand what's so homer about that.  Takes over a 3 win team...brings it to 5 in first year...and most likely 10 in the 2nd.  5-13 to 10-8 gets a coach of the year candidate easy...and deservedly.

Title of the article was "Jones belongs in coach-of-the-year conversation".  And he's right. 

And after he wrote "Who's better than the Riders"....he mentioned Calgary and Winnipeg.  And they are.  But he was also right in that it is not like they are upteen times better based on their games.

Why so butt-hurt?

Things never change Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2017, 08:24:20 PM »

Agreed, I mean he did state we are better so lets be happy with that
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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2017, 08:42:46 PM »

I'd say if the Ti-Cats get a few more wins and into the play-offs then that Jones should get a nomination. Should be him, Oshea and Dickenson

Any guy who can turn around that 0-8 team and where they were headed deserves mention
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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2017, 08:46:42 PM »

I'd say if the Ti-Cats get a few more wins and into the play-offs then that Jones should get a nomination. Should be him, Oshea and Dickenson

Any guy who can turn around that 0-8 team and where they were headed deserves mention

The accusations are misplaced. Vanstone's one of the good ones. And he's a big Jets fan too.
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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2017, 09:49:33 PM »

3 Candidates make coach-of-the year finalists....

Do any in the East deserve it so far?  No.
Wally with the BC Lions about to miss the playoffs?  No.
Jason Maas with his 6 game losing streak? No.

That leaves Dickenson, O'Shea, and Jones.  Can't understand what's so homer about that.  Takes over a 3 win team...brings it to 5 in first year...and most likely 10 in the 2nd.  5-13 to 10-8 gets a coach of the year candidate easy...and deservedly.

Title of the article was "Jones belongs in coach-of-the-year conversation".  And he's right. 

And after he wrote "Who's better than the Riders"....he mentioned Calgary and Winnipeg.  And they are.  But he was also right in that it is not like they are upteen times better based on their games.

Why so butt-hurt?

Things never change Smiley


They changed the process so there are now only 2 finalists. One from the West and one from East.
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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2017, 10:37:41 PM »

They changed the process so there are now only 2 finalists. One from the West and one from East.

I didn't know that... I guess Trestman and Dickenson would be the contenders to date....

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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2017, 10:50:20 PM »

Barring a total collapse Dickenson has it. Whoever the powers that be think is the third to 9th is kinda irrelevant really IMO.

But Trappers point is valid Jones would be somewhere in the 3-5 spot on any coach rankings; Jones, Trestman, and June all could be 3-5 depending how you rate them. Oshea isn't even a lock for 2nd best depending what happens the rest of the season.

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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2017, 11:25:41 PM »

I didn't know that... I guess Trestman and Dickenson would be the contenders to date....


trapper where the heck have you been all season?
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2017, 12:56:25 AM »

trapper where the heck have you been all season?

He showed up for the first time in ages to call someone butthurt for posting an article and having an opinion on it. Indeed, things never change. Undecided
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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2017, 01:40:24 AM »

I too fail to see the outrage from the article. Pretty much nailed things down. Put away the blue koolaid
and look at things objectively instead of through hate
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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2017, 12:14:18 PM »

I too fail to see the outrage from the article. Pretty much nailed things down. Put away the blue koolaid
and look at things objectively instead of through hate

Nobody is outraged. The Riders are a .500 road team and still under .500 vs. the division. I simply don't agree with Vanstone in that Jones "merits serious consideration" for COTY.

Typical dumb and clueless response from you, though.
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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2017, 12:21:06 PM »

He showed up for the first time in ages to call someone butthurt for posting an article and having an opinion on it. Indeed, things never change. Undecided

Actually it is true I showed up the first time in ages...but it was just to see what is happening.  Yours was the first post.  "he clearly dove into the Kool-Aid before putting together this terribly biased column." sure sounds like someone being butt-hurt....
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« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2017, 12:30:48 PM »

trapper where the heck have you been all season?

Keeping busy with other things.  Daughter just got engaged on the weekend.  So that's good.  Just got back from Toronto...was at the Rider/Argo game...had fun...it was like a home game...just with lots less people. Flew home with the team (coincidence) and that was fun too.

Been going to my weekly meeting at Forums Anonymous....guess I fell off the wagon....gonna see if there is a meeting today Wink

You uys have been having a good season....keep enjoying it! 

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« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2017, 12:44:10 PM »

Welcome back Trapper, was wondering what happened to you. Nice to hear things are good.
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« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2017, 01:10:33 PM »

if being in the discussion for Coach of the Year means being one of the three finalists, I guess why not him? if being in the discussion implies he has a legitimate chance to win, then... that's an easy no. Dickenson is the easy choice and O'Shea is the only other possible choice IMO.

if anything, the article seems to be making a solid case for the Riders being the third-best team in the league, which is fine, but a bit of a weird basis for his argument. I do think there is a significant drop-off from Winnipeg to Saskatchewan. The Bombers' absolute disaster of a first quarter in the LDC is pretty much what's keeping the season series from being a sweep, really. I know that's maybe a bit of a biased take, but you don't get back-to-back possessions starting at your opponent's 4 and 9 yard lines very often... you turn those into TDs and it's a long way back that the Bombers couldn't find. I'm not saying they got lucky, just that it's a very different game if the Bombers played the clean football that they normally do.

the Argos seem to find a way to lose every time they look like they're turning into the one respectable team in the East, but they are in the conversation for 3rd best team in the league too. June Jones is 4-2 with the Tiger-Cats so far, and I gotta admit I was super impressed with the gameplan and execution last week. He's taken over a dumpster fire and is getting some results out of them... if I were picking 3 CotY nominees I'd have to consider him for the 3rd spot just as much as Chris Jones...

so... basically... I definitely think there's some playing to the audience going on here, but don't think there's anything too outlandish either
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« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2017, 02:51:14 PM »

I feel like most of the time these awards go to the coach whose team had the largest turn around, not to the coach who had the best season. If that's the way voters go again, Jones has a much better shot than MOS.

Though I can't see anyone other than Dickenson winning due to all their success despite some clear injury trouble.
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« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2017, 10:43:45 PM »

if being in the discussion for Coach of the Year means being one of the three finalists, I guess why not him? if being in the discussion implies he has a legitimate chance to win, then... that's an easy no. Dickenson is the easy choice and O'Shea is the only other possible choice IMO.

if anything, the article seems to be making a solid case for the Riders being the third-best team in the league, which is fine, but a bit of a weird basis for his argument. I do think there is a significant drop-off from Winnipeg to Saskatchewan. The Bombers' absolute disaster of a first quarter in the LDC is pretty much what's keeping the season series from being a sweep, really. I know that's maybe a bit of a biased take, but you don't get back-to-back possessions starting at your opponent's 4 and 9 yard lines very often... you turn those into TDs and it's a long way back that the Bombers couldn't find. I'm not saying they got lucky, just that it's a very different game if the Bombers played the clean football that they normally do.

the Argos seem to find a way to lose every time they look like they're turning into the one respectable team in the East, but they are in the conversation for 3rd best team in the league too. June Jones is 4-2 with the Tiger-Cats so far, and I gotta admit I was super impressed with the gameplan and execution last week. He's taken over a dumpster fire and is getting some results out of them... if I were picking 3 CotY nominees I'd have to consider him for the 3rd spot just as much as Chris Jones...

so... basically... I definitely think there's some playing to the audience going on here, but don't think there's anything too outlandish either

Yes, we are better at this point. Signicantly? Nope.
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« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2017, 11:35:39 PM »

Keeping busy with other things.  Daughter just got engaged on the weekend.  So that's good.  Just got back from Toronto...was at the Rider/Argo game...had fun...it was like a home game...just with lots less people. Flew home with the team (coincidence) and that was fun too.

Been going to my weekly meeting at Forums Anonymous....guess I fell off the wagon....gonna see if there is a meeting today Wink

You uys have been having a good season....keep enjoying it! 


great! Well welcome back!
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« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2017, 11:57:29 AM »

Yes, we are better at this point. Signicantly? Nope.

I'm sure some people would disagree that we're significantly better, but I think we are
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« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2017, 12:19:25 PM »

Jones would be a colossal stretch for coach of the year. SK is going to finish 3rd or 4th in their division. I don't care how good the division is, that's not "coach of the year" stuff.  

Edmonton has had something like 20 of their opening day starters miss time for injuries, and Jason Maas has his team with the same freaking record as Chris Jones.

Hands down, Jason Maas has done more with less than Jones.

Jason Maas aside, clearly Dickenson's teams have been near unbeatable with tons of injuries as well.

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« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2017, 02:00:03 PM »

My favourite part of this thread is where OP got called butt hurt, more than once.

It's been outdated since 2012, long before the majority of people even learned about it.

Also, Jones being up for CotY? Debatable, but to say the Bombers barely won the series, LOL.
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« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2017, 02:08:48 PM »

Maas got it done early, which gets forgotten.  "What have you done for me lately".

Both Jones' have made late season improvements, but there is still 25% of the season to go.

To say that Dickenson has the benefit of the best roster/best QB, sure, that's a point, but really a cop out.  You still need to get the most out of that roster, and his record proves his talent on the sidelines.  Definitely the front runner for COTY.  Too bad they don't get downchecks for choking in the playoffs Wink

MOS has done a lot with a decent roster.  The key to me is that he has every other coach guessing what he's going to pull out of his bag of tricks.  Its one thing to randomly pull out trick plays, its quite another to use them effectively to change games. 

I think MOS has "coached" better that Dickenson, but in a results oriented consideration, the nod goes Calgary way.  For now.  The last game of the regular season might change that.
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« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2017, 04:32:46 PM »

great! Well welcome back!

Thanks.  Just realized I'm a month away from my 10 year anniversary at this site.  I believe my first posts were around being terrified that some young gun-slinger was going to get a notch in the history books for kicking *** in his first game...in the Grey Cup...and the Riders would be forever a footnote as the team that lost....course that didn't happen...but then they got an even bigger footnote in 2009 which will forever live in infamy lol.

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« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2017, 04:36:33 PM »

Maas got it done early, which gets forgotten.  "What have you done for me lately".

Both Jones' have made late season improvements, but there is still 25% of the season to go.

To say that Dickenson has the benefit of the best roster/best QB, sure, that's a point, but really a cop out.  You still need to get the most out of that roster, and his record proves his talent on the sidelines.  Definitely the front runner for COTY.  Too bad they don't get downchecks for choking in the playoffs Wink

MOS has done a lot with a decent roster.  The key to me is that he has every other coach guessing what he's going to pull out of his bag of tricks.  Its one thing to randomly pull out trick plays, its quite another to use them effectively to change games. 

I think MOS has "coached" better that Dickenson, but in a results oriented consideration, the nod goes Calgary way.  For now.  The last game of the regular season might change that.

The Bombers have had a great year.  Seeing the promise in Nichols goes a long way....man he's been a stud this year.  He seems to be doing it so quietly...every time I see him play I keep thinking he's playing good....but whenever I saw the stats it still surprised me at how well. 

You are right there is still several games left...and even though it should be regular season based...I believe the voting takes place after the playoffs so it is considered.  All we know is Kavis Reed ain't gonna be winning it lol

If the Stamps finish with most wins ever...how can Dickenson not get that award? 
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« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2017, 09:17:48 PM »

Thanks.  Just realized I'm a month away from my 10 year anniversary at this site.  I believe my first posts were around being terrified that some young gun-slinger was going to get a notch in the history books for kicking *** in his first game...in the Grey Cup...and the Riders would be forever a footnote as the team that lost....course that didn't happen...but then they got an even bigger footnote in 2009 which will forever live in infamy lol.


ya ya ya same old trapper always skimming for bottom feeders. Typical riders fan comment.
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