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« on: October 10, 2017, 03:03:39 PM »

WINNIPEG, MB., October 10, 2017 ?  The Winnipeg Blue Bombers today announce the club added International wide receiver Myles White.

White (6-0, 190, Louisiana Tech University, March 30, 1990 in Tacoma, WA) was signed as an undrafted free agent by the Green Bay Packers in 2013, he played in seven games and made nine catches. After being released by the Packers, he spent time on the practices squad of the New York Giants and Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

His most recent signing was with the New York Jets in January, but was waived this September.
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« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2017, 03:05:54 PM »

Some of his NFL scouting reports:

White was one of the Packers' better receivers in training camp, and very much earned his spot on the 53 out of camp. In fact, many Packers fans hoped that the team would keep him and carry 6 WRs on the roster when James Jones was signed.

White has pretty good speed and has developed pretty good route-running skills in his two years in the Packers' organization. In fact, it seemed that he might have even been in line for #4 WR snaps ahead of Jeff Janis (who was likely kept over White because of better measureables). He also showed good hands throughout practices and the preseason.

To sum up, White is pretty good at a lot of things, but exceptional at none. He can contribute both inside and outside, and surely has some familiarity with Ben McAdoo from the 2013 season. It's unlikely he'll be a game-breaker for the Giants, but he's a good option to bring in as a depth and special teams piece.


Player Information:
?Myles White, WR Louisiana Tech
?6?1?/182 lbs
?Hometown ? Livonia, Michigan

Pro Day:
?40 yard: 4.42
?20 yard: 2.55
?10 yard: 1.53
?Bench: 11
?Vertical: 37.5″
?Broad: 121?
?Shuttle: 4.15
?3-cone: 6.90

Introduction:

White was voted Second Team All-Western Athletic Conference (Coaches selection) in 2012. He was the pass receiving sidekick to Quinton Patton in Tech?s high-powered, conference-leading offense.   White caught 56 passes for 718 yards and six touchdowns as a senior. White started his college career at Michigan State, but was involved in several off-field incidents. White decided he needed a change of scenery, so he transferred to Northwest Mississippi Community College, where he was sixth in the nation in receptions at the JUCO level. After spending a year there, White accepted Louisiana State?s offer and had a solid two seasons for the Bulldogs.

Analysis:
?A legitimate deep threat that can accelerate past defensive backs.
?Seems adept at finding the open spaces in the field.
?Has very effective moves to pick up extra yards after the catch. Will shake and bake to create some space, then accelerate downfield.
?Appears to have a fairly slight build. Will need to get stronger to combat NFL press coverage.
?Initial small area burst is impressive, and backs up his fine 20yd shuttle time.
?Sometimes catches the ball into his body when he doesn?t need to.
?Shows very good ball awareness and uses his vertical leaping ability to his advantage.

Packers rationale:  Ted Thompson definitely had speed on his mind when he signed White and drafted Charles Johnson and Kevin Dorsey. The Packers are obviously looking to fill one of their open receiver spots with a legitimate deep threat who can extend the field and create open spaces underneath for the dynamic trio of Cobb, Nelson and Jones. White would seem to fit the bill, but I have concerns about his size (Randall Cobb at only 5?10? weighs 10lbs more than White). If healthy, I expect Charles Johnson to be the guy who wins the speed wide receiver spot (I like his other attributes better), but White is the kind of guy the Packers will gladly keep on the practice squad and put him to work in the weight room.

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« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2017, 03:31:27 PM »

Neat. Another guy with a little bit of an NFL resume, deep threat type receiver... 37.5" vertical is impressive too.
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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2017, 03:34:06 PM »

And so that quest to find the next Brandon Zylstra continues....What happened to this Givens guy??
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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2017, 03:35:17 PM »

And so that quest to find the next Brandon Zylstra continues....What happened to this Givens guy??
He's still on the PR.
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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2017, 04:48:28 PM »

Receivers are nice, but how about a shut down DB, and a MLB.
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« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2017, 05:21:10 PM »

Receivers are nice, but how about a shut down DB, and a MLB.
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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2017, 05:48:32 PM »

Cup of coffee guy. Maybe they're sizing him up for next season.
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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2017, 06:01:47 PM »

And so that quest to find the next Brandon Zylstra continues....What happened to this Givens guy??

there are 5 starting receiver spots... Givens was taking reps with the first team offense last week, this is completely unrelated
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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2017, 09:57:09 AM »

Every recieiver brought in sounds good on paper. Out of the many guys that get brought in over the course of a year a small handfull earn a chance to play, and even less do anything with the chance.

Its nice to bring in guys with good resumes but until they make a starting roster and make it hard for a coach to take them off, they are just another "camp body"
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« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2017, 11:56:45 AM »

there are 5 starting receiver spots... Givens was taking reps with the first team offense last week, this is completely unrelated

I agree. PR guys and backups take 1st team reps occasionally all year long early in the week. Gotta get them some rhythm in case of injuries.
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« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2017, 12:45:25 PM »

The one thing I have noticed this year; is that the scouting reports for the guys we are bringing in to take a look at are much better than in the past.  I remember in the past the comments would include poor hands, or poor speed, or something was wrong that they didn't get a chance in the NFL because of it but this year it feels like the players are decent and just got "beat" out by others.
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« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2017, 12:48:55 PM »

I've watched him in GB!

Sweet!!!  Happy about this.
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« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2017, 01:29:15 PM »

The one thing I have noticed this year; is that the scouting reports for the guys we are bringing in to take a look at are much better than in the past.  I remember in the past the comments would include poor hands, or poor speed, or something was wrong that they didn't get a chance in the NFL because of it but this year it feels like the players are decent and just got "beat" out by others.

Not true imo. we always get intriguing ex-NFLers every year.
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« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2017, 02:10:57 PM »

Not true imo. we always get intriguing ex-NFLers every year.

Addison Richards
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Analysis
Strengths Tall, rangy target. Able to fit in and compete at East-West Shrine Game practices against much better competition than he had faced previously. Easy mover who is smooth in his routes. Works back to the ball and digs out low throws. Hands-catcher.

Weaknesses Slow off the line of scrimmage. Is unable to eat up cushion and threaten cornerbacks with deep speed. Lacks twitch and suddenness at top of his routes. Will have to make contested catches a habit.

Draft Projection Undrafted

Bottom Line Developmental receiver with height and plus hands. Richards showed that he belonged at the East-West Shrine Game, but he must improve his route running to make up for his lack of separation quickness.

Lawrence Virgil's scouting report:
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Analysis
Strengths Excellent size -- has a big, well-proportioned frame with long arms and room for added bulk. Rare upper-body strength -- pumped 225 pounds 39 times at his pro day. Flashes the ability to jolt blockers. Moves well for his size -- opens up his stride in space and athleticism shows in pursuit. Has a 31-inch vertical. Durable three-year starter. Hardworking and respected.

Weaknesses Exposes his frame and is too easily engaged. Can play with more consistent leverage. Technique needs to be coached up -- needs to learn to shoot his hands, stack and shed. Two-gap ability is a work in progress. Marginal lateral agility displayed in three-cone drill time (7.77 seconds). Did not consistently dominate marginal competition. Inconsistent intensity.

Draft Projection Rounds 6-7

Bottom Line Big, long-levered, Division II prospect with intriguing dimensions, strength and upside to warrant consideration as a developmental five-technique or perhaps three-technique. Is fairly raw and still growing into his body, but should only get stronger and more effective as he fills out his frame and makes technical strides.

Dominick Jackson
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Redskins signed Alabama OL Dominick Jackson.
Jackson (6'5/313) spent two seasons at Alabama after transferring from JUCO, spending the first as a backup and the second as the Crimson Tide's starting right tackle, earning second-team All-SEC honors from the conference's coaches. On game tape, Jackson showed an anchor in the run game but struggled in pass protection due to slow feet. Not particularly athletic or long (33-inch arms), Jackson will have to move inside to guard in the pros. He'll be a low-ceiling project there.

Pro Football Focus analyst John Breitenbach wrote that "[r]ealistically, [Alabama G Dominick] Jackson is at best a depth lineman in the NFL."
Breitenbach does like Jackson's tendencies when faced with a double team, but sees legitimate hurdles ahead for NFL success. "Jackson is a pretty poor pass protector, flailing at air frequently on dropbacks. On some occasions he failed to get his hands on the defensive lineman at all. Jackson also appeared to struggle with the mental elements of the game, missing a few too many assignments for our liking." PFF's metrics have him graded out negatively on pass protection for 2015. Breitenbach sees him as a sixth or seventh-rounder at this point

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Scouting report indicates small hands

Now don't get me wrong; I didn't say that the players were not intriguing.  I've just stated that it seems to me that our current recruiting, the recruiting as of late.  Seems to show less cause for concern in the scouting reports than in the past.  I also only go based on what is posted here; so I should rephrase my position to say "The scouting reports shared on the Extra Point have seemed more positive this year, in the late recruiting, than I feel we have seen in previous years".  Both Givens and White stand out in this statement in my eyes as what I mean by recent and positive.
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« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2017, 02:13:52 PM »

I just think that the memory is fresher with Givens and Whyte because they are our newest great white hopes. We have had many seemingly great prospects over the past several years. They are soon forgotten when they don't pan out. I don't feel the scouting reports have gotten any better or worse. I think that Walters and the scouts are getting better at measuring the intangibles.
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« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2017, 02:16:21 PM »

I just think that the memory is fresher with Givens and Whyte because they are our newest great white hopes. We have had many seemingly great prospects over the past several years. They are soon forgotten when they don't pan out. I don't feel the scouting reports have gotten any better or worse. I think that Walters and the scouts are getting better at measuring the intangibles.
Joe Mack typically scouted his players from low division colleges. Walters and his group seem to focus more on scouting players with some NFL background. 
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« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2017, 02:39:31 PM »

Joe Mack typically scouted his players from low division colleges. Walters and his group seem to focus more on scouting players with some NFL background. 

That's not true. Many of Mack's recruits came from top ten Div 1 schools... Greg Carr for example. The difference between Mack and our current regime is that Mack liked to recruit athletes that were deemed to be a problem child or attitude problems but had high measurables. Walters prefers to get players already vetted by the NFL.
Mack took a much greater risk/reward type approach and Walters takes a little more of a conventional approach. Mack unearthed some really good talent, unfortunately a lot of them were attitude deficient.
Mack scouted like he was scouting UDFA's for an NFL team, rather than scouting for players for a CFL team.
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« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2017, 04:35:18 PM »

One issue I take with the current process of evaluating talent is the way a lot of scouts/teams put so much emphasis on the combine numbers. While there are a good tool, we have all seen players that play faster than their 40 time, play bigger than their size, etc. Some guys have great numbers in the desired matrix yet fail. At the other end of the spectrum you have players that have should be given a chance yet are excluded in large part by not hitting the numbers.

Lewis Welker is a great example of this, as is Doug Flutie... you don't have to be 6'5", able to bench 300 lbs 40 times, and run a 4.3 40 to be an impact player. Lewis Welker by all accounts should have been a failure in the NFL yet now he, and his type of play, has become an adjective when looking for receivers, they want a 'Lewis Welker' type of guy... pretty high praise... yet they tend to reject a lot players that don't fall within their desired numbers matrix without being given an opportunity...

Where's Rudy when you need him? lol
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« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2017, 05:38:23 PM »

I just think that the memory is fresher with Givens and Whyte because they are our newest great white hopes. We have had many seemingly great prospects over the past several years. They are soon forgotten when they don't pan out. I don't feel the scouting reports have gotten any better or worse. I think that Walters and the scouts are getting better at measuring the intangibles.

Not denying that is something that can happen sometimes... but which receivers have we signed during that time with the NFL experience of even Myles White?

Never mind Givens, who has an NFL resume no receiver in the last 10+ years in the CFL has had except for Sims-Walker, who unfortunately was just damaged goods...

These guys are more intriguing than a Jace Davis, Thomas Mayo, Greg Carr, TJ Harris... it doesn't matter much until they show it on the field, but definitely something to be optimistic about.
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« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2017, 05:47:15 PM »

And so that quest to find the next Brandon Zylstra continues....What happened to this Givens guy??

Id honestly love to be like Calgary, BC or Edmonton. Calgary always has a knack for having an off the radar guy come in for the final 4 games and playoffs and completely destroy people then have a MONSTER season the following year. BC, they always have the knack for finding a guy to surprise people at the end of the year then do the same the following year. Edmonton seems to do an amazing job of finding these amazing guys that kill you right from game 1 of the season.

Watch out for guys like Dabl? on Calgarys  practice roster. To go with Jorden being off the 6 game IR, Durant on the 6 game Calgary could potentially be getting lethal at the right time.

BC what you see on their active roster is the only players to worry about.

Edmonton has a bunch of guys that may have made Bowman obsolete but beware of what he is capable of doing.

i'm wondering if we see Givens, Brown, White or Washington(again) before the end of the season. Don't rule out a Dressler return but I wanna see us pull out a late season off the radar guy that kills people. I want us to have that guy that teams won't stop....mind you Darvin Adams has been hot and putting up big numbers!
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« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2017, 05:51:10 PM »

Not denying that is something that can happen sometimes... but which receivers have we signed during that time with the NFL experience of even Myles White?

Never mind Givens, who has an NFL resume no receiver in the last 10+ years in the CFL has had except for Sims-Walker, who unfortunately was just damaged goods...

These guys are more intriguing than a Jace Davis, Thomas Mayo, Greg Carr, TJ Harris... it doesn't matter much until they show it on the field, but definitely something to be optimistic about.

The OP was not restricting his commentary to the receiving position. Neither was I. But just for the sake of argument, I will see your Sims-Walker and raise you a Jerrel Jernigan (who probably has as good or better resume than either Givens or White). Who is that you ask? Exactly. He didn't make it out of mini-camp thus his NFL credentials and impressive resume were forever forgotten.
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« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2017, 05:52:34 PM »

Not denying that is something that can happen sometimes... but which receivers have we signed during that time with the NFL experience of even Myles White?

Never mind Givens, who has an NFL resume no receiver in the last 10+ years in the CFL has had except for Sims-Walker, who unfortunately was just damaged goods...

These guys are more intriguing than a Jace Davis, Thomas Mayo, Greg Carr, TJ Harris... it doesn't matter much until they show it on the field, but definitely something to be optimistic about.

Man to bad guys like Harris and Thorpe couldn't be team players......where is Harris now? No one knows. Thorpe he was suppose to be the next Arland Bruce III....
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« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2017, 06:27:58 PM »

The OP was not restricting his commentary to the receiving position. Neither was I. But just for the sake of argument, I will see your Sims-Walker and raise you a Jerrel Jernigan (who probably has as good or better resume than either Givens or White). Who is that you ask? Exactly. He didn't make it out of mini-camp thus his NFL credentials and impressive resume were forever forgotten.

The first quoted post you replied to was...
The one thing I have noticed this year; is that the scouting reports for the guys we are bringing in to take a look at are much better than in the past.  I remember in the past the comments would include poor hands, or poor speed, or something was wrong that they didn't get a chance in the NFL because of it but this year it feels like the players are decent and just got "beat" out by others.
which may not specifically mention the receiving position, but as it mentions things like poor hands and was made in the context of a thread where we added a receiver and previous posts were discussing the receivers we brought in, then the original poster of that post replied to you with a bunch of scouting reports of receivers... it would make sense to be discussing the receiving position.


I did forget about Jernigan, although it wasn't that he didn't make it out of mini-camp. He had family commitments during mini-camp and didn't want to stick around, then after was transferred to the retired list.

Also, Jernigan's NFL resume is better than White, so he does indeed fit what I was asking for... but Givens had two separate seasons better than Jernigan's entire NFL career, plus a third that almost matches it again, so... "who probably has as good or better resume than either Givens or White" is... well, not even close. I stand by my original statement - these two guys are much more intriguing than the vast majority of receiver prospects we've brought in recently, and it's not recency bias.

But yeah, Jernigan was an exciting addition at the time too. It was too bad he didn't want to stick around. If you list the guys in recent memory who have come to the CFL with more than a handful of career NFL catches, you'll find a lot of good CFL receivers. You won't find very many that actually stuck around and didn't pan out. Not saying there aren't a few, but I love seeing us bring in a few guys like this. We haven't had one in a while that wanted to stick around.
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« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2017, 06:39:51 PM »

The first quoted post you replied to was...which may not specifically mention the receiving position, but as it mentions things like poor hands and was made in the context of a thread where we added a receiver and previous posts were discussing the receivers we brought in, then the original poster of that post replied to you with a bunch of scouting reports of receivers... it would make sense to be discussing the receiving position.


I did forget about Jernigan, although it wasn't that he didn't make it out of mini-camp. He had family commitments during mini-camp and didn't want to stick around, then after was transferred to the retired list.

Also, Jernigan's NFL resume is better than White, so he does indeed fit what I was asking for... but Givens had two separate seasons better than Jernigan's entire NFL career, plus a third that almost matches it again, so... "who probably has as good or better resume than either Givens or White" is... well, not even close. I stand by my original statement - these two guys are much more intriguing than the vast majority of receiver prospects we've brought in recently, and it's not recency bias.

But yeah, Jernigan was an exciting addition at the time too. It was too bad he didn't want to stick around. If you list the guys in recent memory who have come to the CFL with more than a handful of career NFL catches, you'll find a lot of good CFL receivers. You won't find very many that actually stuck around and didn't pan out. Not saying there aren't a few, but I love seeing us bring in a few guys like this. We haven't had one in a while that wanted to stick around.

Don't get me wrong, I like seeing ex-NFLers being recruited. I just don't think they are automatically better recruits until they show it on the field. I think they are more likely to stick though.
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« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2017, 12:03:05 PM »

Don't get me wrong, I like seeing ex-NFLers being recruited. I just don't think they are automatically better recruits until they show it on the field. I think they are more likely to stick though.

Yeah, fair enough, doesn't mean much until they show something in game action
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