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Author Topic: Lawless: Matt Nichols wants $450k per season  (Read 59292 times)
gbill2004
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« on: November 26, 2016, 09:16:16 PM »

Just saw Lawless on TSN report that Matt Nichols wants $450k per season. He said Walters is looking at more like $400k per year.

In my opinion, with only $50k separating both sides, a deal should be easy to complete.
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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2016, 09:35:38 PM »


Yah, pretty close, his agent is pushing hard.  Not that he's worth $450,000, nor is any other CFL QB for that matter.  It would make more sense from a salary cap perspective if QB's league wide were making $250-$350K but that horse escaped the barn long ago, so no chance of reeling it back in now.
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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2016, 01:23:04 AM »

Both 400,000 and 450,000 are too high a salary for Matt Nichols. If Walters is paying him that, he's repeating the mistake of Drew Willy.

300,000 -350,000 seems more appropriate.
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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2016, 01:30:28 AM »

Both 400,000 and 450,000 are too high a salary for Matt Nichols. If Walters is paying him that, he's repeating the mistake of Drew Willy.

300,000 -350,000 seems more appropriate.

Completely agree.  This is exactly what I was afraid of.  I don't think he is an elite qb (by that, I mean top 3).  He had a good year, but looked very average near the end of the season.  If we do pay him this, I hope it is a one year deal.  If he has another superb season, pay the man, but if not, we better be able to get out from that contract.
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2016, 01:46:53 AM »

Both 400,000 and 450,000 are too high a salary for Matt Nichols. If Walters is paying him that, he's repeating the mistake of Drew Willy.

300,000 -350,000 seems more appropriate.

Couldn't agree more. Fool me once....
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2016, 01:48:46 AM »

Completely agree.  This is exactly what I was afraid of.  I don't think he is an elite qb (by that, I mean top 3).  He had a good year, but looked very average near the end of the season.  If we do pay him this, I hope it is a one year deal.  If he has another superb season, pay the man, but if not, we better be able to get out from that contract.
You can get out of all CFL contracts; they aren't guaranteed.
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2016, 01:48:53 AM »

He's not signing anywhere on a one year deal. No team would even insult him with that kind of offer. I'd be embarrassed as a fan if the Bombers only offered him one year.

With contracts in the CFL not being guaranteed, essentially any team can release a guy after one year anyway.

It's been discussed ad nauseum around here, there aren't many landing spots for him. If he has a twit agent who thinks that there's this huge market, he's got some real problems. Toronto or Montreal are the only other places. Toronto would have to cut both Ray and Willy. Montreal (with a new GM) would have to abandon the young guys that they've staked their future on.

I still think that both Walters and Nichols want to dance together, and that they get a deal done soon.
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2016, 01:58:22 AM »

450 or even 400 is too much for Nichols. A two year 650k contract is more in line. He hasn't proven enough to be paid more than BLM.
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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2016, 02:02:23 AM »

You can get out of all CFL contracts; they aren't guaranteed.

Shoot, I just exposed my ignorance.  For whatever reason, I thought QB contracts were different.  Well, in that case, let's hope it is a low base and incentive loaded. 
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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2016, 02:03:40 AM »

$450k is close to top tier qb compensation. I think Reilly's around $500k. Matt Nichols had a breakout year and was very good, but he is not top tier, and there's nothing to indicate that he ever will be. He has decent arm strength, is accurate, and he's gritty and tough. But he doesn't have that extra playmaking element some of the others like Reilly, Mitchell, Collaros, & Jennings have.

He's good enough to tie your wagon to if you can surround him with enough quality pieces, and he is at prime age. But no more than $400k.
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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2016, 02:10:20 AM »

Shoot, I just exposed my ignorance.  For whatever reason, I thought QB contracts were different.  Well, in that case, let's hope it is a low base and incentive loaded. 
Year to year they aren't guaranteed. But once bonus money is paid, its paid. Often QBs have bigger bonuses and guaranteed money within a year. So if we signed Nichols to a three year deal, we couid easily get out of it after one year.
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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2016, 02:17:07 AM »

Reilly, BLM, Jennings, Collaros have all won playoff games. All have played playoff games on their home field. Nichols hasn't done any of that. Has to be part of Bombers' thinking.
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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2016, 02:33:02 AM »

Year to year they aren't guaranteed. But once bonus money is paid, its paid. Often QBs have bigger bonuses and guaranteed money within a year. So if we signed Nichols to a three year deal, we couid easily get out of it after one year.

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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2016, 03:15:51 AM »

Nichols is a decent QB who performed well over 15 games. (Remind you of any other recent bomber QBs?) Prior to that he did not look so promising. He ranked behind 8 other starting QBs in efficiency, a stat that actually is kind to him since it does not give any points for running ability. IMO he's a notch below the elite QBs, and  below someone like Jennings. If were talking about 400,000 to 450,000, I would start to think about Burris or Durant as an alternative. 250,000 base with bonuses to 350,000 seems more reasonable to me.
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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2016, 03:23:46 AM »

Nichols is a decent QB who performed well over 15 games. (Remind you of any other recent bomber QBs?) Prior to that he did not look so promising. He ranked behind 8 other starting QBs in efficiency, a stat that actually is kind to him since it does not give any points for running ability. IMO he's a notch below the elite QBs, and  below someone like Jennings. If were talking about 400,000 to 450,000, I would start to think about Burris or Durant as an alternative. 250,000 base with bonuses to 350,000 seems more reasonable to me.

Your logic makes sense...HOWEVER...

Burris and Durant are at the end of the line. That end could come abruptly. Burris also didn't want to come to Winnipeg a few years ago, why wouldn't he retire if he's traded? Is it worth more $$$ to lock up Nichols long-term and have consistency at the position?
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