Biggest issue

Started by Blueforlife, July 27, 2025, 08:00:07 PM

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What's our biggest problem?

OL
9 (22.5%)
CB
10 (25%)
DL
1 (2.5%)
QB
10 (25%)
Coaching
8 (20%)
Receiver
2 (5%)

Total Members Voted: 40

Horseman

Quote from: dd on July 30, 2025, 04:48:43 AMI thought Edmonton's o line was terrible, fajardo was running for his life all game,
Yes, their O line gave up 8 sacks.

Jesse

Quote from: DM83 on July 30, 2025, 11:24:11 PMYou guys realize that on some defenses, sometimes a d lineman job is to tie up two offensive linemen, so other d linemen get the glory. This also spectacularly applies to blitzing linebackers. when the D linemen creates a stalemate at the line when two guys are. Blocking him, maybe it's because his job on the. Defensive call is to occupy two offensive linemen. Watch Thomas, do just that.

No one is comparing Thomas to Cleyon Laing or Jake Ceresna, we're comparing 2025 Jake Thomas to any of his previous seasons and he's coming up short.
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Blueforlife

Quote from: CrazyCanuck89 on July 30, 2025, 05:55:12 PMI don't get the Kramdi hate from people.  Plus their is depth behind him with Smith, Makonzo and Kelly.
Anyone that hate on Kramdi is just not seeing the talent he has or comparing him to the ultra elite lbs which isn't fair.  In time Kramdi could still develop his game further.  I liked Kramdi from the start.  Many dumped on him and wanted him gone.  The hate has calmed down but it still lingers, mostly when we stumble.

dd

Quote from: Horseman on July 30, 2025, 10:46:55 PMYes, their O line gave up 8 sacks.
And yet Fajardo still had a great game passing the ball. Our O line struggles and the roof caves in!!

BLUEBOMBER

Overall, the coaching is not up to par. Defence has been weak and burned often. The offence is not producing with Collaros.

Blueforlife

#65
Quote from: Jesse on July 31, 2025, 12:06:47 AMNo one is comparing Thomas to Cleyon Laing or Jake Ceresna, we're comparing 2025 Jake Thomas to any of his previous seasons and he's coming up short.
One person previously compared Thomas to Laing.  Another person compared Thomas previously to other top DLs.  Not saying that right but it did happen.
Quote from: dd on July 30, 2025, 02:57:44 AMI know the hatred is abound in these parts for Fajardo, but I would have wanted him and Lawler vs Collaros and Mitchell THIS year. Absolute no brainer, none. Given the opportunity this year, he'll prove again his worth as a #1. Not sure of what the contract status is of other #1's next year, but I m assuming Kelly, Alexander, Brown, BLM, Rourke, Adams and Harris are all under contract. I don't see any other experienced option out there--and NO to Masoli or MBT, they've done nothing with their opportunities.
Cody<Zach imo
Cody can't throw deep
Quote from: BomberFan73 on July 30, 2025, 02:17:30 PMAnother thing with the Oline is that they do their best when the lineup is consistent. It's no coincidence that our best production there was when there was no changes to the lineup. We've lost key roles/players there and have recently had injuries too.
I also think falling behind early and abandoning the run plays a role. OL love to play bully ball, and when they can't sometimes they get bullied.
So much of this I agree with, OL needs gel time.  Started out ok, started getting hurt and making changes and wheel fell off.  In a few games once we have a similar unit for a bit wheels will roll imo
Quote from: LXTSN on July 30, 2025, 07:29:24 PMJust a suggestion to fix our DB problem...
What about sliding Parker back out to DB and putting someone else out there at safety? Maybe it's time for Cam Allen to get a shot at safety.

Parker is familiar with the system and position, plus lately he hasn't really given us the spark that you look for from your safety.  Maybe Cam could?
Parker too old for corner imo
Allen not ready imo and best to not rush him
I don't have the answers for our DBs change is coming, we will see what tomorrow on the depth chart
Quote from: DM83 on July 30, 2025, 11:05:04 PMYeah every year we have a very good  o lineman walk for better salary.
I think it will be self- evident that once we let Zac retire due to his concussion symptoms, release the crippled Shoen same situation, and wake up and sign the better O linemen, pay Lawler, the best receiver in the league, ......then we start rebuilding.

Defensively.  First impressions..... well claybrooks, no wait what's the guys name...oh Jordan Younger. His athletes and a prevent defence, loose man, don't move  defence whatever, needs some players who know what they are doing.  Bring Bighill back for player, player coach, LB coach or defensive co-ordinator.  We need demonstrative. Attitude. 

If you ever played for sure you know you need aggressive emotional guys, who demonstrate traits of never accepting getting beat. Those athletes that accept this younger style never run to the ball philosophy is like a wounded dying animal. It's doomed. If Willie wants to be a ball blocker, the USA senior games has tryouts for volleyball.

We need some aggressive large men to make quarterbacks nervous, the last game in Toronto Arbuckle didn't break a sweat.


Basically, we appear to be rudderless. We need a QB.
I don't agree with much of this
Pass on Biggie for DC
Willie is better than you suggest, your post about him is disrespectful imo, one of best to ever play for us at that positon
Zach isn't done (yet)
Schoen deepens on this year, we shall see, I am not giving up on him (yet)
Yes though losing OL but they often go to highest bidder, I want to draft and recuit better, can keep just all the high priced guys, need a mix
We are on a tail end of one of the best runs on D for the Bombers ever and after 3 games you are trying to suggest to blow it up, hard pass on that, you wanted to blow it up pre mini dynasty
The Lawler ship has said imo
Our DL played good last week and we got to the QB, that will continue
Your analysis of Younger's D is wrong imo, he has proven with Hall on his side to be an excellent DC who will continue to learn and grow, Hall might be gone (age) but I keep Younger long term, Younger has a dynamic defensive scheme saying that it's prevent is not accurate and over generalizing
Nothing is doomed about our defense, need a corner until Briges hopefully gets it figured out
Quote from: DM83 on July 30, 2025, 11:24:11 PMYou guys realize that on some defenses, sometimes a d lineman job is to tie up two offensive linemen, so other d linemen get the glory. This also spectacularly applies to blitzing linebackers. when the D linemen creates a stalemate at the line when two guys are. Blocking him, maybe it's because his job on the. Defensive call is to occupy two offensive linemen. Watch Thomas, do just that.
About as bang on as it gets
Agree all
Thomas plugs the gaps and gets double teamed and other better athletes feast

TecnoGenius

Quote from: kkc60 on July 30, 2025, 12:30:53 PMI think an important thing to consider with Randolph is he really needs reps. I'm not saying that just because he's a second year guy, he hardly played in college and when he did was used primarily as a blocking tight end, so OL is still newish for him. Costello gets so much love for being "one of the best OL coaches in the league". The development of Randolph will be a great litmus test for how good he is at developing guys.

Great post.  Love the new knowledge.

Is this Randolph's 2nd year, or was he here in '23 only on the PR?  Normally we wouldn't really be expecting a "dev guy" like him to be starting at OT in his 2nd year.  It may be a situation of being rushed too quickly.

Randolph has shown basically the bare minimum to be a starting RT.  You can win some games with him there, but he's not ideal.  I think he played a couple of good games or Q's at OG (last year?) and was good.  He royally stunk at LT (in '24?).  Like putrid horrible don't do that again.

Maybe he'll be great later.  But we kind of need great now because both OTs have been having IR troubles.

Maybe if the other 4 guys were the desired starters and everything was consistent week to week it wouldn't matter as much when we drop in a backup OT.  Maybe.  But right now so many pieces are changing and so many injuries.

And the current backups we have are lacking.  And nothing can really change until FA... It's a pickle.
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: bluebeard on July 30, 2025, 02:55:30 PMWant to improve our OL, play Americans there and pla Canadians elswhere. Better American OL are easier to find.

Not O tackles.  Better IMP guards are a dime a dozen.  That's why both our backup IMPs are great at OG when they've played there in '24-'25.  And I fully agree, dump the NAT guards if they are struggling and use IMPs and spread the ratio elsewhere.

But still doesn't help the real problem, the one that kills drives and Zach: the OTs.  And that probably can't be fixed until FA.  Unless we work up some spiffy magic trade.
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: CrazyCanuck89 on July 30, 2025, 05:55:12 PMI don't get the Kramdi hate from people.  Plus their is depth behind him with Smith, Makonzo and Kelly.

There's probably nothing holding our D (especially front 7) together right now in terms of headspace / IQ / formation than Kramdi & Kyrie.  Well, maybe add Parker to that... maybe, I don't have enough info yet.

Whatever Kramdi may lack in athleticism and size, he makes up for in brains.  I think he's truly one of MOS' protege's.  He may be the reason we don't have to have brainiac Biggie in there and can suffice with maybe-not-so-brainy (but talented!) Jones.
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Jesse

So Derek Taylor compared a bunch of stats from the first games of 2024 to 2025 because even though our record is better, it FEELS so much worse this year (A combination of recency bias and the blow out losses).

The numbers are shocking similar. We're actually doing better this year in numerous categories (which makes sense given the better record), but the gigantic difference is turnovers.

In 2024, we lead the league in turnover given up with 11 through 6 games. So far in 2025, we've doubled that with 22. But we are scoring more points and giving up less points than last year at this time.

Many people are saying run the ball more, but we always start the game feeding Brady. But then, turn over, turn over, down by 21, throw throw throw. It all starts with the turn overs.
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CrazyCanuck89

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 31, 2025, 10:18:31 AMThere's probably nothing holding our D (especially front 7) together right now in terms of headspace / IQ / formation than Kramdi & Kyrie.  Well, maybe add Parker to that... maybe, I don't have enough info yet.

Whatever Kramdi may lack in athleticism and size, he makes up for in brains.  I think he's truly one of MOS' protege's.  He may be the reason we don't have to have brainiac Biggie in there and can suffice with maybe-not-so-brainy (but talented!) Jones.


The whole reason they took Kramdi was because of his athleticism and size isn't an issue, because he is about average for a SLB.

TecnoGenius

Quote from: CrazyCanuck89 on July 31, 2025, 02:36:14 PMThe whole reason they took Kramdi was because of his athleticism and size isn't an issue, because he is about average for a SLB.

Ya, but it's his brains that turned out to be the best asset.  When Kyrie retires Kramdi will be "it" as the QB of the D, all else being equal.
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