Personnel changes for next game

[Tecno]

Oh ya, clearly we've failed at converting to the max dink and dunk O, a la ssk. So the idea of being able to field crap recs and get production is toast.

Busby just got a ton of looks and yards and conversions this weekend and he's complete garbage. Why? Because that's what that o is built for. If we aren't going to revamp to be that O then we need receivers better than busby. Much better.

That leaves out cobb, Nield, and probably Corcoran. Though as the new kid, I'd give him another season to improve. Therefore we need far better Recievers. That will cost us, but all we really need is Woli level. Need to snatch one or two of the 3 names I endlessly repeat. Somehow.

[Blue In BC]

Don't fixate on the OL ratio. I really like what IMP C buys us. See the ko-man thread for more.

The tradeoff is one for one with the REC spot. Or if we get more creative on the D side, potentially with Smith or Shay.

How about we solve the problem of crap NAT RECS? The huge problem is I think we thought we were getting KSB-lite when in fact we bought a tall ternowski. If we got a real upper-middle nat like Gittens or Brissett or Mital then we'd probably already have more wins.

The OL has problems, but it's not Els.

As O'Shea says there is more than one problem. Obviously if our Canadian receivers were better it's a win win. I didn't say Elsbury was a problem but I did ask is he significantly better than our Canadian choices including let Kolo go in free agency.

[theaardvark]

I think the concern is having a 6th OL, a FB AND a TE.  Yes, you could delete either of the last two, but it does then limit you.

I like the TE use, 6th man or even 7th man in jumbo, but still catches balls.

I like Ike as a backup / change of pace, and he can play teams well, including returns.

And no way you do not dress a 6th OL.

I think this deployment of resources is far from a concern.

[Blue In BC]

I think the concern is having a 6th OL, a FB AND a TE.  Yes, you could delete either of the last two, but it does then limit you.

I like the TE use, 6th man or even 7th man in jumbo, but still catches balls.

I like Ike as a backup / change of pace, and he can play teams well, including returns.

And no way you do not dress a 6th OL.

I think this deployment of resources is far from a concern.

It is when our offence is not being particularly productive. Blame is spread around to QB, receivers and OL. Defences can stack the box against our offence.

[kkc60]

The past three games have been awful, and yet the roster stays mostly the same. Offense has no identity, still dressing Cobb as a starter, OL can't run block. Defense has flashes but can't create a turnover if their life depended on it. If the team keeps dragging out the same lineup, every member of this staff deserves to have their seat turned up

[Tecno]

As O'Shea says there is more than one problem. Obviously if our Canadian receivers were better it's a win win. I didn't say Elsbury was a problem but I did ask is he significantly better than our Canadian choices including let Kolo go in free agency.

Think back to the games before Zach was hurt.  Pass pro was exceptional, especially in the interior.  Really it's only been Stan getting burnt.

It wasn't until injuries on the OL and changing QB that pass pro started going down.

So ya, I'd consider Els "significantly better" than Ko-man, who made the same mistakes season after season.  And Els has upside and is half the Ko-man price.  Els also was starting to make inroads on run block too, and he was already at Ko-man levels.

[Tecno]

It is when our offence is not being particularly productive. Blame is spread around to QB, receivers and OL. Defences can stack the box against our offence.

Every single person on O is underperforming.  And if everyone is doing that, even just a bit, then that tips the balance into making the whole O look bad.  This includes the OC and MOS, and all the sub-unit coaches.

Ya, it's easy to point at Stan, or Cobb, or the QB-du-jour, or even Nield.  But while some are more to blame than others, the truth is if 1-2 guys were bad, the others being exceptional would cover for it and we'd still win.

Football is very much a snowball effect thing.  If you start rolling down the crap side of the hill you're pretty much doomed to crap.  Or if you're SSK and you're already rolling down the good side, you look like world beaters even though you're not that great.  You can see it in player morale -- it's a real effect.  And it's exceptionally hard to pull yourself up and onto the good side.

When you think you're going to win and deserve to win, you usually win.

[Blue72]

Who is our replacement for Griffen if his injury keeps him out for another couple weeks, Wilson is our weak link right now. So do we move Jones to MLB and start Woodbey?

[Blueforlife]

Who is our replacement for Griffen if his injury keeps him out for another couple weeks, Wilson is our weak link right now. So do we move Jones to MLB and start Woodbey?

Woodbey needs a couple more games to get up to speed imo

[Blueforlife]

Dd has quoted some good changes.

I love the. But they are done. There are so many needs it's a very poor team. We will be lucky tomfinjsn 8. But we gave that to Ottawa didn't we.?  Doesn't.matter. They need imports.mthose who say they can't bring guys in during the bye, are nuts. The next guy tells him what play to run. 

We are feeble in a number of positions. Defensively  younger is stupid. Whoever put that. D line together should gomandget a job. They are *****. Nichols is a scared old man. Please resign and go away.. bring back Leggett. There will be tons of guys who can play., it's America. There are hundreds of guys  for one position.

Hard to make out much of this.

Younger is not stupid, shows no respect.

Nichols isn't scared he is at the tail end of a good career.  Who do you suggest replaces him?  You don't get better by deletion unless the replacement is better and our cupboard is bare.

Leggett hasn't played since 2019 and is 39.

Now I have heard it all.

[Blue In BC]

Hard to make out much of this.

Younger is not stupid, shows no respect.

Nichols isn't scared he is at the tail end of a good career.  Who do you suggest replaces him?  You don't get better by deletion unless the replacement is better and our cupboard is bare.

Leggett hasn't played since 2019 and is 39.

Now I have heard it all.

In fairness we don't know what we've got on the PR until they play a full role. Not many excel immediately but M. Williams has shown well in his rookie season. It's not entirely impossible that Jackson or Texada might be good players.

If they are not, then the question is why aren't we adding newbies to the PR. Should be lots of UFL players and early NFL cuts available.

[Blueforlife]

In fairness we don't know what we've got on the PR until they play a full role. Not many excel immediately but M. Williams has shown well in his rookie season. It's not entirely impossible that Jackson or Texada might be good players.

If they are not, then the question is why aren't we adding newbies to the PR. Should be lots of UFL players and early NFL cuts available.

Texada might be ok but is < Nichols right now imo

Jackson I know nothing about

Yeah we gotta go hunting but those faces likely for next year unless find a diamond in the rough

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

In fairness we don't know what we've got on the PR until they play a full role. Not many excel immediately but M. Williams has shown well in his rookie season. It's not entirely impossible that Jackson or Texada might be good players.

If they are not, then the question is why aren't we adding newbies to the PR. Should be lots of UFL players and early NFL cuts available.

Maybe they need to change their approach but it hasn't been their policy to bring in a stream of new players to challenge for positions during the current season. They do bring in a few later in the season but it's always aimed at the next season.

Williams leaping from rookie to starter is the exception, even Ty Ford had to wait a year.

[Blueforlife]

Maybe they need to change their approach but it hasn't been their policy to bring in a stream of new players to challenge for positions during the current season. They do bring in a few later in the season but it's always aimed at the next season.

Williams leaping from rookie to starter is the exception, even Ty Ford had to wait a year.

Good way to rush players that are not ready / give them a fair shake, the slow roast works but has now failed due to less quality in the pipe / aging team / injuries.

If they ballers yes, but often ballers need seasoning.  Ford is a great example of someone who benefited from the slow roast imo.  Just got too $.  Roast em slow, sign em low (early) lol.

Oilers a prime example of frying good young talent.  Also let a few studs go after letting them cook too long in the A lol.  Fine line.