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Blue Bomber & CFL Discussion Forum / Re: Argo QB, Chad Kelly sited ...

Last post by blue_gold_84 - April 18, 2024, 04:14:31 PM

The one thing I'm curious about is whether these allegations against Kelly came out only after her contract was not renewed by the Argos.  Could be the case of a disgruntled worker disparaging a former employer in any way she could, which isn't that uncommon.  She was hired on a yearly renewable contract, so the Argos are not required to offer any explanation or reason for not renewing her contract, it's their prerogative.  Just because they renewed it multiple times before doesn't mean they have to continue that trend.

According to this article, she said she was informed on Jan. 29th that her contract wouldn't be renewed.

The timeline in the article makes it sound like she attempted to notify her superiors back in early November about the situation. However, nothing was done to address it, much less try and resolve it. Hardly surprising with John Murphy being involved.

This whole ugly thing seems to go well beyond simply being a case of a disgruntled and/or vindictive employee.

#32

Blue Bomber & CFL Discussion Forum / Re: Mock Drafts

Last post by Blue In BC - April 18, 2024, 03:17:17 PM

Bombers Rd 3 pic, works just fine as I see it....

That's the overall pick # 28, so that might be a choice to make. I never know much about the players potentially going to be drafted. Just a bit when articles are posted. That said, we have a need for a player with that skill set.

Whether he's the best choice for that spot of LS and a FB, I don't really know. It will just be something to watch which team has an interest and in what round etc etc. Bombers may have other ideas for that role so seeing who they pick is always interesting.

Benson turns 37 before TC. Just noticed we have the same birthday but I'm literally twice his age. lol While he's probably capable of playing several more years, he may not want to, so having someone in the pipeline is something I'd expect to see this season.

#33

Blue Bomber & CFL Discussion Forum / Re: Argo QB, Chad Kelly sited ...

Last post by Throw Long Bannatyne - April 18, 2024, 03:13:00 PM

The one thing I'm curious about is whether these allegations against Kelly came out only after her contract was not renewed by the Argos.  Could be the case of a disgruntled worker disparaging a former employer in any way she could, which isn't that uncommon.  She was hired on a yearly renewable contract, so the Argos are not required to offer any explanation or reason for not renewing her contract, it's their prerogative.  Just because they renewed it multiple times before doesn't mean they have to continue that trend.

#34

Blue Bomber & CFL Discussion Forum / Re: Argo QB, Chad Kelly sited ...

Last post by blue_gold_84 - April 18, 2024, 02:56:27 PM

Pretty heinous allegations all the same, IMO.

Kelly's history over the last decade doesn't help his cause, either.

["On Nov. 10, 2023, [the coach] learned that Chad had made a threatening remark, suggesting she was fortunate he hadn't physically harmed her," the lawsuit says."Despite [her] supervisor witnessing parts of the incident and [the coach] reporting the ongoing harassment, the Argonauts failed to take any action to address the situation, leaving [her] in a distressing and unsupported position within the team."]

#35

Blue Bomber & CFL Discussion Forum / Re: Argo QB, Chad Kelly sited ...

Last post by TBURGESS - April 18, 2024, 02:40:12 PM

This is called blaming the victim. The trainer worked for the Argos since 2018, they must have been happy enough to keep bringing her back. All we have have against the trainer is wild speculation, what we have against Kelly is evidence. example:

"On Nov. 10, 2023, [the coach] learned that Chad had made a threatening remark, suggesting she was fortunate he hadn't physically harmed her," the lawsuit says.

"Despite [her] supervisor witnessing parts of the incident and [the coach] reporting the ongoing harassment, the Argonauts failed to take any action to address the situation, leaving [her] in a distressing and unsupported position within the team."

Sure, keep an open mind if you want but blaming the victim is why more don't come forward.

That's the claim. It hasn't been presented in a court under oath, so it's not evidence yet. 

#36

Offside Forum / Re: NHL Discussion (Other than...

Last post by blue_gold_84 - April 18, 2024, 02:07:06 PM

NHL, BOG to vote on Coyotes' sale, relocation today: https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/nhl-to-hold-3pm-et-board-call-on-coyotes-sale-1.2106116

#37

Offside Forum / Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion -...

Last post by drahgon - April 18, 2024, 01:41:28 PM

I wonder if the Canucks will take a similar approach since they have the pacific wrapped up regardless of the outcome tonight.

["On Nov. 10, 2023, [the coach] learned that Chad had made a threatening remark, suggesting she was fortunate he hadn't physically harmed her," the lawsuit says."Despite [her] supervisor witnessing parts of the incident and [the coach] reporting the ongoing harassment, the Argonauts failed to take any action to address the situation, leaving [her] in a distressing and unsupported position within the team."]

#38

Blue Bomber & CFL Discussion Forum / Re: Argo QB, Chad Kelly sited ...

Last post by Waffler - April 18, 2024, 01:15:54 PM

We do have to consider the possibility, however remote, that the litigant is crazy, or malicious, or whatever. 

This is called blaming the victim. The trainer worked for the Argos since 2018, they must have been happy enough to keep bringing her back. All we have have against the trainer is wild speculation, what we have against Kelly is evidence. example:

"On Nov. 10, 2023, [the coach] learned that Chad had made a threatening remark, suggesting she was fortunate he hadn't physically harmed her," the lawsuit says.

"Despite [her] supervisor witnessing parts of the incident and [the coach] reporting the ongoing harassment, the Argonauts failed to take any action to address the situation, leaving [her] in a distressing and unsupported position within the team."

Sure, keep an open mind if you want but blaming the victim is why more don't come forward.

[every player did not take their team first]

#39

Blue Bomber & CFL Discussion Forum / Re: Way Too Early Power Rankin...

Last post by TecnoGenius - April 18, 2024, 07:56:44 AM

And I am surprised that every player did not take their team first.  That would be the minimum I would expect.

The rules specifically forbade that.

[violence]

#40

Blue Bomber & CFL Discussion Forum / Re: Argo QB, Chad Kelly sited ...

Last post by TecnoGenius - April 18, 2024, 07:55:20 AM

The league had a commitment... from that news release I linked.

"• When any CFL workplace, including a CFL football club or one of its corporate offices, receives a report of violence against women involving a CFL employee, we will act.

Ya, but that whole policy is about violence.  No violence is alleged in the Kelly case.  If it was it'd automatically be criminal anyhow.  And no, I don't subscribe to the (bad) theory that words are violence.

But yes, the optics are really bad.  Part of the problem is lack of transparency, to go along with the potentially years-long pre-trial paper battle.  It's ugly if Kelly is totally guilty yet gets to play for 2 years scot-free.  If we had some insight into the facts each side is presenting during this process, maybe we could make more informed decisions and statements.

AFAIK there is no "gag order" on this stuff from the court, so the sides are free to say whatever they wish.  However, outlandish or false or defamatory claims could hurt a party in court.  It's usually best to clam up, and that's what they are doing.

The statements of claim are still public record, though, and someone in the jurisdiction (or with good net skillz) could possibly come up with the details!  Homework!  I'd love to see Kelly's side of the story.

We do have to consider the possibility, however remote, that the litigant is crazy, or malicious, or whatever.  Remember that baseball player?  If you wanted to get money out of a CFL player, picking Kelly is the smartest move, because most will be biased by his sordid history.  If that is clearly and provably the case, you really don't want to just pay out and take the L, because then you are inviting myriad copycats in the future.  That would cause the CFL gobs more grief.