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[Hardrick, bounced from BC to the Riders, to Wpg.]

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Blue Bomber & CFL Discussion Forum / Re: Blue Bombers add lineman t...

Last post by Tecno - Today at 10:26:42 PM

Hardrick, bounced from BC to the Riders, to Wpg.

Pretty sure Yoshi was wanted by SSK but was offered more payday in WPG.  He certainly didn't come here because we were world-beaters at the time!  Same with Stan.

We'll have to do it again to build a top OL again.

[if Andre didn't agree with the call he should have descretely pleaded his case]

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Blue Bomber & CFL Discussion Forum / Re: CFL (Non-Bombers) off-seas...

Last post by Tecno - Today at 10:25:31 PM

That was a tough call. It would be nice to get a brief explanation from command centre when they do make the call so everyone understands why they made the call. And if Andre didn't agree with the call he should have descretely pleaded his case to get the call changed.

I thought that was how it was done when plays go to command!  I thought command gathered the opinions & "what I saw" from the head ref and the ref who through that flag.

To think command just takes over and doesn't hear that info at all is somewhat flabbergasting.

#3

Blue Bomber & CFL Discussion Forum / Re: Free Agent Acquisition

Last post by Throw Long Bannatyne - Today at 10:24:13 PM

Ok, so I'm right on Gray & Desjar.  Gray's NFL-messing doesn't count against him for the purpose of this discussion.  He was starting after not many games after he came back.

Jury's still out on The Goose.

The point still stands: guys who are first-full-year legit-starter-ready used to be a thing for us.  But not in years, since Desjar.  It's really hurt us because we came to expect gems like that every year or 2!

Read again, Gray didn't start any games until his second season when he filled in for Neufeld.  Once Neuf returned Gray was back on the 1 game IR or 6th man and didn't even dress for the playoffs in 2019.  Whole point is Costello tries to educate and prep. his O-lineman before he throws them into the fire.

[certainly won't be less exciting than it is now]

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Blue Bomber & CFL Discussion Forum / Re: New rules / commissioner's...

Last post by Tecno - Today at 10:23:20 PM

We'll have to see how this plays out. It certainly won't be less exciting than it is now.

I appreciate your points.  But I don't see how you can make this one statement.  Yes, it seems possible, or even likely, that the changes will make things better or be a "no-op" (no change) in terms of excitement.  However, there certainly is a possibility it makes things worse.

Remember, all of these numbers and tweaks and situations were honed over 112 years of Grey Cup.  There may be a ton of hidden gotchas once you start screwing with the fundamentals of the game.

"When you come across a fence, before you tear it down, ask yourself why it is there."

[The member clubs have been working on this for a long time]

#5

Blue Bomber & CFL Discussion Forum / Re: New rules / commissioner's...

Last post by Tecno - Today at 10:20:08 PM

It only feels that way to you because you were just told this information. The member clubs have been working on this for a long time and they're unlikely to be the last changes either.

It's already been reported here that Johnston came in and whipped up all these changes, not that BOG/owners brought him in with these changes already laid out saying "do this".

Someone is lying.

[FG's because of the extra 15 yards would make a 50 yard FG 65 yards]

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Blue Bomber & CFL Discussion Forum / Re: New rules / commissioner's...

Last post by Tecno - Today at 10:19:17 PM

Those 10 yards are taken from the middle of the field so any FG from inside the 50 are 15 yards longer. (The length of the end-zone) Note that's all the FG's because of the extra 15 yards would make a 50 yard FG 65 yards)

What's confusing people on the "net yards for FGs with the GP move" math is there are 2 different ways to look at it, and some are conflating them:

1. The distance a team will need to gain to get in new FG range.
or
2. How far a FG attempt is from a given yard line (on the opponent's side).

For #1, the question remains where do teams start?  If the 40YL still, then team A must gain 5Y more than before to reach the same FG range (10Y lost in the middle, but 15 farther out the back = 5 farther).

For #2, it's easy: every FG attempt is 15Y farther away (because the lost 10Y at center field has no bearing).

So when arguing the "how much longer is a FG attempt", please specify if you mean #1 or #2.  As Einstein would say, it's all relative.

[you'll see more coaches go for it in that spot]

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Blue Bomber & CFL Discussion Forum / Re: New rules / commissioner's...

Last post by Tecno - Today at 10:13:59 PM

If you're third down on the 35 yard line you effectively have the option to punt to net maybe 30 yards or go for it for a fresh set. You guys are the experts but I think you'll see more coaches go for it in that spot. Right now it's a FG decision almost every time.

But also consider that if you're on the team B 35 and you blow it on 3rd & medium, that team is only 15Y from midfield, and only 65Y from the other EZ.  In other words, if you blow the gamble you're giving them pretty good starting field position.

Coffin or hem them at their 5 and they must drive the entire field.

I can see only ONE thing possibly increasing: many 3rd & mediums in "no mans land" will be a 5YL, GL or EZ shot -- in other words a deep low-percentage shot -- because an INT will be equal to a punt.  However, once coaches coach every DB on batting down these shots instead of INTing them, it'll revert to being a failed gamble and you have that field position problem in my first paragraph again.

The CFL already has a no mans land area, and yet still only 1-2 coaches "go for it" regularly.  Namely Dickenson The Greater.  Why would the ultra-conservative other coaches suddenly be in The Gamblin' Mood?  MOS will still take his deep FG shots -- 62Y will become the norm for Castillo.  Teams with 43Y max FG range (read: Parades) and a strong Ozzie P will do a lot of coffin shots.

Maybe you'll have a few in-between coaches going for it more... maybe.  But if they get burned by a lot of failures, they'll be forced to do more kicking, less gambling.

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Blue Bomber & CFL Discussion Forum / Re: Blue Bombers add lineman t...

Last post by Throw Long Bannatyne - Today at 10:13:45 PM

It may be that now but you never know. Lots of talented players get cut early before their career takes off.

Hardrick, bounced from BC to the Riders, to Wpg.

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Blue Bomber & CFL Discussion Forum / Re: New rules / commissioner's...

Last post by Throw Long Bannatyne - Today at 10:10:06 PM

The field has been reduced by 10 yards and goal posts moved to back of 15 yd end zone so field goals will be a net of 5 yds further. With very little return threat I think there will be more field goals as you don't have to cover them you either make it or if it's wide it's out of bounds. A 10 yds reducing on field dimensions won't impact TD production at all, it's a 5 yard pass, insignificant. But I think mos will have Costillo bombing the long field goals as he either makes them or it's a touch back, no need to have your cover team run 50 yards to cover a wide kick

Missed FG's will still scrimmage on the 40 as long as they clear the endzone, why push a FG kicker well beyond his range when a punter can do a better job of hemming them within 10 yds. of their endzone? I would choose the second scenario every time, as it's usually pretty difficult to drive the ball the entire length of the field.

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Blue Bomber & CFL Discussion Forum / Re: CFL (Non-Bombers) off-seas...

Last post by dd - Today at 09:57:49 PM

That was a tough call. It would be nice to get a brief explanation from command centre when they do make the call so everyone understands why they made the call. And if Andre didn't agree with the call he should have descretely pleaded his case to get the call changed. He didn't say anything and should have used the same approach when asked to comment on the play . Criticising the play afterwards when you had the chance to plead your case in real time doesn't do anyone any good