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#1
Quote from: bunker on Today at 02:45:53 AMI'd sign Rourke. But because I think he's the better QB, not because he's a Nat.

Would you have played Ford over Fahardo? You can start another American, sure, but meanwhile  inferior QB play dooms your play off chances.

Rourke -> Alexander
is not the same as
Ford -> Fajardo

Ford is a never-was and has never proven squat and likely never will.  Rourke & Alexander are both future long-term superstars of the CFL.  Fajardo is the perennial mediocre (see: Maier, Arbuckle).

If you want to use Ford in this analogy then compare him to say, Strev.  Even that's not a good one because Strev is way better (has way more wins!).  Maybe Ford to Crum.  Nope... still not good, Crum has won more.  LOL
#2
Quote from: Tecno on Today at 12:28:38 AMI don't know.  NAT tips the scale a bit.  Let's say you can pick from Alexander or Rourke.  To me Alexander is better, but not by too much.  So which QB do you hire?  The question is made tough because Rourke is a NAT and lets you start, say, another IMP OL.

So, on the margin, being a NAT does alter the calculus.

I'd sign Rourke. But because I think he's the better QB, not because he's a Nat.

Would you have played Ford over Fahardo? You can start another American, sure, but meanwhile  inferior QB play dooms your play off chances.

#3
Quote from: bunker on March 04, 2026, 12:05:21 PMIMO QB is too important a position to worry much about Nat or non-Nat. You need to find the best player at the position, period. If it happens to be a Nat, that's a bonus, but its not worth enough to even consider starting an inferior QB.

I don't know.  NAT tips the scale a bit.  Let's say you can pick from Alexander or Rourke.  To me Alexander is better, but not by too much.  So which QB do you hire?  The question is made tough because Rourke is a NAT and lets you start, say, another IMP OL.

So, on the margin, being a NAT does alter the calculus.
#4
Quote from: bluengold204 on March 04, 2026, 10:53:05 PMFord

Hahaha. I think dd is still right.  ;D
#5
Quote from: dd on March 04, 2026, 09:57:27 PMWhile NAT's are now playing non-traditional positions, they are the exception not the rule. Other that Rourke, there is no NAT in the league in any teams Qb room, and I don't think that's going to change anytime soon. No one other than a small group in Winnipeg, even has Elgersma on any Qb radar screen, and I really doubt that changes. I saw him play in the Vanier Cup and he didn't stand out at all, so I m not holding my breath on this guy at all

Ford
#6
Offside Forum / Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion -...
Last post by Jesse - March 04, 2026, 10:28:19 PM
Quote from: blue_or_die on March 04, 2026, 08:57:46 PMI'm hoping we can do something sorta creative like have it be for a conditional first rounder on the basis of him signing an extension there. Or package him with someone else we'd otherwise get a sub-third rounder for to add enough value to get over that hump.

He's our only valuable trade piece so we need to do whatever we can to max out on the return for him. He's a first round pick and we've developed him into a decent D and you can make the upside argument based on his improvement this year, so go do it.

I'm getting pretty convinced that the trade deadline is going to come and go without the Jets making any moves.

I don't think teams are knocking down Chevy's door with 1st or 2nd round picks. And the Jets aren't really in the habit of letting guys go who have expressed a desire to sign long term. Wouldn't surprise me to hear they're going to try and retain him.
#7
Offside Forum / Re: Winnipeg Jets Discussion -...
Last post by theaardvark - March 04, 2026, 10:26:47 PM
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on March 03, 2026, 07:30:20 PMIt's a big if but that's basically what Cheveldayoff gave up for him last year. Trying to recover from that miscalculation to some degree would be nice.

I can't say I understand your fixation on him as a trade piece. Even if we ignore the fact he's injured, he's under contract for six more years.

I have always appreciated Pionk since the Trouba trade, even though he struggled early.

I think Chevy made a mistake signing him for so long and so much, I don't think he's a top pair Dman anymore, whether that is a subliminal "I've got my payday, I don't need to earn it anymore" or just a natural progression in his play.

The only way I can see us signing Stanley is to move Pionk.  Would I prefer Stanley to Pionk?  $2 mil cheaper, and more physical... if he even scores 50% as much going forward, I think it gives us more flexibility.
#8
Blue Bomber & CFL Discussion Forum / Re: Blue Bombers add quarterba...
Last post by dd - March 04, 2026, 09:57:27 PM
While NAT's are now playing non-traditional positions, they are the exception not the rule. Other that Rourke, there is no NAT in the league in any teams Qb room, and I don't think that's going to change anytime soon. No one other than a small group in Winnipeg, even has Elgersma on any Qb radar screen, and I really doubt that changes. I saw him play in the Vanier Cup and he didn't stand out at all, so I m not holding my breath on this guy at all
#9
Also can pickup your BFL sticker at the stadium
#10
Signing as an undrafted player tells me he has some skills that previously the NFL seen.  Just a gut felling based on his bio.  That draft profile gives me more good vibes.